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[Meltemph]

Lyssistr wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

If EA is guilty of anything, it is trying to find the largest penetration in the market. And sense the idea of quality plays a large part in what people of this market like, it only makes sense that they also have quality in mind when making the product.

Investors can do allot more silly mistakes than bad market research

True, but that is only the investor and the companies job to deal with.  Consumers job is just to find a product they want.

[the_one_54321]

Isn't it late where you are, Gaider? You should go back to sleep...

[upsettingshorts]

Amusing sexual metaphors aside I always felt the relationship was closer to that of fans of a sports team.

We all want the team to do well, and to win. But we also want the players to be likable and the style of play to reflect our particular preferences.

We're also often worried when some new owner buys the team, especially if he's a wealthy outsider whose motives we can't easily trust. Same thing really.

Granted I'm using "we" rather broadly, these aren't issues I try to worry myself over.  I'll either like a game or I won't.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:25 .

[Lyssistr]

Meltemph wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

If EA is guilty of anything, it is trying to find the largest penetration in the market. And sense the idea of quality plays a large part in what people of this market like, it only makes sense that they also have quality in mind when making the product.

Investors can do allot more silly mistakes than bad market research

True, but that is only the investor and the companies job to deal with.  Consumers job is just to find a product they want.

Yes of course but this is a bulletin board,  people saying they want this or that in DA2, don't believe they have voting rights in Bioware. It's simply customer feedback.

Modifié par Lyssistr, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:26 .

[the_one_54321]

AngryPants wrote...
Well, in some ways its like Schroedinger's cat.  He calls my knowledge of the cat actually being in the box an assumption, I call his ability to forget that someone stuffed it in there as suspending disbelief.  It's not really compatible.

(Yeah, I know that's not precisely what the paradox is about.  If I had a better example I'd use it)

Actually, that example is simply awesome.

The writing is Schrodinger's Cat. The game is "open the box." Sylvius says "I know that the cat is in the box, but that knowledge isn't given to me during the game of open the box. I only know that outside of the game so it doesn't count. I don't actuall know that the cat is in the box until after I open it and at that point it's already established that the cat is dead or alive. So I can't use that information while actually playing the game."

Modifié par the_one_54321, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:29 .

[tmp7704]

Meltemph wrote...

No, what I am saying is that shipped IS sold, by the publishers standard, unless you are saying they are not getting paid for it, and they are just "renting the shelf".

Yes, i get that's what you're saying. I'm just saying that perhaps numbers of units then sold by the retailers to the customers are also important to the publisher, to the point where they may be basing their decision whether to mention a title as "highlight" in their report ... on these numbers rather than on number of units sold to the retailers in the first place. Otherwise there seems to be no rhyme nor reason to way at least this particular publisher forms their reports.

Modifié par tmp7704, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:31 .

[Anarya]

David Gaider wrote...

Meltemph wrote...
Which means that it is Bioware's job is to fulfill the desires of the most amount of people. Obviously there is always that "niche" market that some companies live in, but the room for niche is ridiculously small. Whatever market they decide to go with is irrelevant to the consumer though. It is the consumers job to find the product they are looking for, it is the producers job to find the consumer that wants their product.

It is not the job for the consumer to find the producer to to fill the desire of a certain product, that would be an investor.

Careful. You make complete sense, and I agree, but this line of thinking will inevitably lead to those accusations of us abandoning the DAO faithful for a prettier girlfriendbigger market. And then the long, tearful messages on the answering machine will start again. And who needs to go through that a second time?

I kid, I kid. She's not that pretty.

Okay, I still kid, I don't really think we're doing that. But, man, you guys are possessive. I half expect BioWare to wake up and find you watching us with those crazy eyes, fondling the pillow.

BioWare: "Umm... what are you doing?"

Fans: "Nothing. Go back to sleep."

I want to capture Bioware's eyelashes and put them in a jar. Would you like some bunny? I just boiled it.

[the_one_54321]

Anarya wrote...
I want to capture Bioware's eyelashes and put them in a jar. Would you like some bunny? I just boiled it.

Clearly she has some experience with this kind of behavior...

[upsettingshorts]

the_one_54321 wrote...

AngryPants wrote...

I hate you.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:34 .

[tmp7704]

Anarya wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Okay, I still kid, I don't really think we're doing that. But, man, you guys are possessive. I half expect BioWare to wake up and find you watching us with those crazy eyes, fondling the pillow.

BioWare: "Umm... what are you doing?"

Fans: "Nothing. Go back to sleep."

I want to capture Bioware's eyelashes and put them in a jar. Would you like some bunny? I just boiled it.

Someone post that Alistair staring creepily afterwards picture...

[the_one_54321]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

AngryPants wrote...

I hate you.

[Anarya]

tmp7704 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Okay, I still kid, I don't really think we're doing that. But, man, you guys are possessive. I half expect BioWare to wake up and find you watching us with those crazy eyes, fondling the pillow.

BioWare: "Umm... what are you doing?"

Fans: "Nothing. Go back to sleep."

I want to capture Bioware's eyelashes and put them in a jar. Would you like some bunny? I just boiled it.

Someone post that Alistair staring creepily afterwards picture...

I'm too lazy to go dig that one up, but here, have some googly eye!

[Meltemph]

Yes of course but this is a bulletin board, people saying they want this or that in DA2, don't believe they have voting rights in Bioware. It's simply customer feedback.

But many believe they deserve a vote(DA2 specifically, so we are on topic), due to a sense or type of customer loyalty. I mean, this is about the only market(To this degree) where besides critiques about a product are made to the producer, but people actually propose design concepts to the producer, where they actually think they have a form of authority on the matter.

[Meltemph]

Yes, i get that's what you're saying. I'm just saying that perhaps numbers of units then sold by the retailers to the customers are also important to the publisher

But how would they know this? Retailers around the entire world would have to give sales data to individual publishers to have a proper assessment of amount sold by retailers. And why would they even care? I mean, that does not even affect their bottom line, unless they are inferring that means that the retailers are going to ordering more(but that does not really help investors at all).

[David Gaider]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

AngryPants wrote...

I hate you.

Don't go turning into ResentfulPants. It's unbecoming.

[upsettingshorts]

David Gaider wrote...
Don't go turning into ResentfulPants. It's unbecoming.

Maybe it's my cunning plan to be memorable enough that Dog will dig up some amusing reference to my username as a gift in Dragon Age 3.

[the_one_54321]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Don't go turning into ResentfulPants. It's unbecoming.

Maybe it's my cunning plan to be memorable enough that Dog will dig up some amusing reference to my username as a gift in Dragon Age 3.

Did dog do something like that in DA:O?

[upsettingshorts]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Did dog do something like that in DA:O?

Something like that.

It amuses me to wonder which party member gaining +5 approval from receiving that makes the least sense.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:52 .

[tmp7704]

Meltemph wrote...

But how would they know this? Retailers around the entire world would have to give sales data to individual publishers to have a proper assessment of amount sold by retailers. And why would they even care? I mean, that does not even affect their bottom line, unless they are inferring that means that the retailers are going to ordering more(but that does not really help investors at all).

Well, providing publisher (at least as large and influential as EA) with feedback on what actually sells seems beneficial to the retailers -- if it helps the publisher to make educated decision what sort of titles to develop and which ones to discard. In the same manner it may be also seen beneficial by the publisher, since it may save them spending funds on sequels to titles which the retailers would have no intention to purchase, based on their own sale numbers. And allow to better allocate funds to titles which are more likely to be bought by retailers, instead.

Granted, putting that particular info in the report for investors doesn't make much sense itself, but then one could make argument that using the same logic it doesn't make much sense to mention numbers shipped, either. If the investors are only interested in the bottom line, that extra info is just fluff and the whole report could be just as well the income/loss tables.

[the_one_54321]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Did dog do something like that in DA:O?

Something like that.

It amuses me to wonder which party member gaining +5 approval from receiving that makes the least sense.

I actually sold those because I thought it would be ridiculous to give them to someone. Also this was before the patches, when they were still worth a bit of money.

[tmp7704]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Don't go turning into ResentfulPants. It's unbecoming.

Maybe it's my cunning plan to be memorable enough that Dog will dig up some amusing reference to my username as a gift in Dragon Age 3.

There's a risk that could just end as Pants in a Twist, though.

[upsettingshorts]

tmp7704 wrote...
There's a risk that could just end as Pants in a Twist, though.

Yeah, I really ought to pay more mind to the motto in my signature before sticking my neck out, eh?

[Lyssistr]

Meltemph wrote...

Yes of course but this is a bulletin board, people saying they want this or that in DA2, don't believe they have voting rights in Bioware. It's simply customer feedback.

But many believe they deserve a vote(DA2 specifically, so we are on topic), due to a sense or type of customer loyalty. I mean, this is about the only market(To this degree) where besides critiques about a product are made to the producer, but people actually propose design concepts to the producer, where they actually think they have a form of authority on the matter.

 broadly speaking, nobody deserves anything but customer loyalty is a factor. Bioware themselves have said that they do consider this feedback and are looking for suggestions so I don't think it's odd people make suggestions.

 I don't think it's limited to this industry, in many industries, companies ask for customer feedback, even when you go to a (high quality) restaurant they ask people how their food was and what they'd like to be done different, even if their clients are not chefs. After all you don't have to be an expect in cooking to know what you like to eat.

[Meltemph]

Well, providing publisher (at least as large and influential as EA) with feedback on what actually sells seems beneficial to the retailers

Yes, but large enough to get every brick and mortar store in a world release type of game, where you can get accurate numbers like that? Does not seem even plausible.

[Meltemph]

(high quality) restaurant they ask people how their food was and what they'd like to be done different, even if their clients are not chefs. After all you don't have to be an expect in cooking to know what you like to eat.

Yes, but that customer does not propose to the Chef, how to literally make the meal.