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[AtreiyaN7]

Funny thing: I saw an ad on Chiller about Buffy the Vampire Slayer semi-recently. Apparently, they're airing the original series. I never got to see it when it originally aired, so maybe now's my chance.

[casedawgz]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Buffy the Vampire Slayer starred Donald Sutherland right

In the semi-canonical movie. In the show his character appears only in flashbacks and is recast as some random fat guy.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Sounds like what Bungie did in Halo 3



*rimshot*

[Bryy_Miller]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Funny thing: I saw an ad on Chiller about Buffy the Vampire Slayer semi-recently. Apparently, they're airing the original series. I never got to see it when it originally aired, so maybe now's my chance.

Chiller is a good channel. A horror-based Sci Fi network. Owned by NBC, too. Just has NO funding whatsoever.

It also has Six Feet Under. Try to figure that one out.

[AtreiyaN7]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Funny thing: I saw an ad on Chiller about Buffy the Vampire Slayer semi-recently. Apparently, they're airing the original series. I never got to see it when it originally aired, so maybe now's my chance.

Chiller is a good channel. A horror-based Sci Fi network. Owned by NBC, too. Just has NO funding whatsoever.

It also has Six Feet Under. Try to figure that one out.

Yeah, I noticed that! I was going "huh?!" when they started airing Six Feet Under. It's a good show and all, but that seemed to be an odd choice for a horror/thriller channel. I watch Chiller fairly regularly, moreso in the summer when nothing's on. *chuckle* Now there's almost too much to watch on network tv (speaking of which, about to watch Fringe since I had to record it earlier, hehe). Man, we're so off-topic now, umm, I'm sure someone can un-derail this - heh.

[General Malor]

Burrs wrote...

Dragon Age 2 disappoints me. I thoroughly enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins because it was a resurrection of the great rpgs of old. The races, the origins, the isometric view, the incredibly in-depth story. They made that game incredible in a stagnant RPG market. Naturally I assumed dragon age 2 would simply build off the original, perhaps polish the combat a bit. This however, did not happen. Instead I see a game which appears to have had almost all of it's RPG elements trimmed off. After watching this gameplay video: I am even furthered disillusioned. This is not the IP that burst out of nowhere to become a fan favorite. This seems to be a hack and slash game with a good story. I mean, there are fpses with more classes than this game. Bioware, EA, I am disappointed. I will not be buying this game, and I hope you take into account that the features you removed are disgruntling customers. Hopefully you will return to the roots of this great IP some day. Until then my wallet will go elsewere.

Simply amazing...if you wouldn't mind sir explaining how you played the game beofre all of us please? I mean surely that is why you are dissapionted and not just being pessimistic publicly about something. Wait...I need to read more of your post before I type out a response I feel. Yup...nevermind, as you were public pessimist.

[NoAngel89]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
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Start nagging the PR department to let you show it then, sure fire way to end the debate. Plenty of games get trailers months and sometimes years before release. We're 5 months out, I would think you guys would have something you're ready to show by now.

It would have been out by now, but we push it back a day everytime Brock says that we should show gameplay, so, at this rate you will see it in ..... *does some quick math*....2014.

Seriously do you have to respond like this, when did not being afriad and being confident of what to say, suddenly turned to immature and totally disrespect towards people. Towards fan or not, that is just wrong, I love bioware for what they do. But acting like this is a total contradiction to what they do and stand for, great creators, both in games and being professional. Why make forums and a social site, if you are going to throw away what we have to say. Sure some can be ridical in their rants, but throwing more oil to the fire doesn't halp either. I'm guessing this forum is going to be locked anyway since its a forum that has say something negative, which I've been noticing. Do you think responding like this helps, at the end. You can say we still working on it, or something. Just forget it, fans or deviant, or whatever, everyone here deserves to be respected, and treated with class. In the end, fighting like this doesn't help anyone, it just hinders ourselves. I'm not trying to say play nice, I'm just saying everyone have class, and put aside you dumb egos and threat each other like human beings for god sakes. jess

Modifié par NoAngel89, 08 octobre 2010 - 09:27 .

[nightcobra]

NoAngel89 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
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Start nagging the PR department to let you show it then, sure fire way to end the debate. Plenty of games get trailers months and sometimes years before release. We're 5 months out, I would think you guys would have something you're ready to show by now.

It would have been out by now, but we push it back a day everytime Brock says that we should show gameplay, so, at this rate you will see it in ..... *does some quick math*....2014.

Seriously do you have to respond like this, when did not being afriad and being confident of what to say, suddenly turned to immature and totally disrespect towards people. Towards fan or not, that is just wrong, I love bioware for what they do. But acting like this is a total contradiction to what they do and stand for, great creators, both in games and being professional. Why make forums and a social site, if you are going to throw away what we have to say. Sure some can be ridical in their rants, but throwing more oil to the fire doesn't halp either. I'm guessing this forum is going to be locked anyway since its a forum that has say something negative, which I've been noticing. Do you think responding like this helps, at the end. You can say we still working on it, or something. Just forgot, fans or deviant, or whatever, everyone here deserves to be respected, and treated with class. In the end, fighting like this doesn't help anyone, it just hinders ourselves.

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[*]like someone said:[*]
[*]the universe (in this case bioware) has a wonderful sense of humor, the trick is, learning how to take a joke:P

[NoAngel89]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

NoAngel89 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
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Start nagging the PR department to let you show it then, sure fire way to end the debate. Plenty of games get trailers months and sometimes years before release. We're 5 months out, I would think you guys would have something you're ready to show by now.

It would have been out by now, but we push it back a day everytime Brock says that we should show gameplay, so, at this rate you will see it in ..... *does some quick math*....2014.

Seriously do you have to respond like this, when did not being afriad and being confident of what to say, suddenly turned to immature and totally disrespect towards people. Towards fan or not, that is just wrong, I love bioware for what they do. But acting like this is a total contradiction to what they do and stand for, great creators, both in games and being professional. Why make forums and a social site, if you are going to throw away what we have to say. Sure some can be ridical in their rants, but throwing more oil to the fire doesn't halp either. I'm guessing this forum is going to be locked anyway since its a forum that has say something negative, which I've been noticing. Do you think responding like this helps, at the end. You can say we still working on it, or something. Just forgot, fans or deviant, or whatever, everyone here deserves to be respected, and treated with class. In the end, fighting like this doesn't help anyone, it just hinders ourselves.

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[*]like someone said:[*]
[*]the universe (in this case bioware) has a wonderful sense of humor, the trick is, learning how to take a joke:P

[*]probably lol, but then again I encountered David Gaider, so its hard to tell:bandit:

Modifié par NoAngel89, 08 octobre 2010 - 09:32 .

[NoAngel89]

Burrs wrote...

Dragon Age 2 disappoints me. I thoroughly enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins because it was a resurrection of the great rpgs of old. The races, the origins, the isometric view, the incredibly in-depth story. They made that game incredible in a stagnant RPG market. Naturally I assumed dragon age 2 would simply build off the original, perhaps polish the combat a bit. This however, did not happen. Instead I see a game which appears to have had almost all of it's RPG elements trimmed off. After watching this gameplay video: I am even furthered disillusioned. This is not the IP that burst out of nowhere to become a fan favorite. This seems to be a hack and slash game with a good story. I mean, there are fpses with more classes than this game. Bioware, EA, I am disappointed. I will not be buying this game, and I hope you take into account that the features you removed are disgruntling customers. Hopefully you will return to the roots of this great IP some day. Until then my wallet will go elsewere.

Its too soon to say that, since bioware hasn't released anything offical, despite the video, bioware can always change it. But looking at the combat, it doesn look alittle choppy, box cut looking motion, not very flowing, but bioware may change it, its a demo. But if it is true. I kinda like it, I always thought the blur trailer of dragon age, I thought it was more action based game, so them making the second game, kinda gots my eye. I may be interested in buying. maybe, I'll wait couple of months before I buy it, to see if it confirms my fears of being not so good.

[AmstradHero]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Because I meant that he was a great assassin born to be killing people and he took it as he was a pathetic depraved being and could only kill people.  You could not control the tone of the option to be a compliment or an insult, it was always an insult.

No.  Zevran always takes it as an insult.  That's a very different thing.

How it's actually delivered is never shown to you, so why would you choose to let Zevran's reaction dicitate it for you?

Because that's all we have to go on. Just like with Leliana's response to the player calling her silly. If we actually delivered that line in a serious tone telling her we thought she was stupid, then she would react accordingly. She doesn't, so we obviously haven't delivered the line in this fashion.

Simply because our character doesn't explicitly deliver the line voiced with a particular intonation and style does not mean that we can infuse any tone we like into it. A line is obviously delivered with some sort of tone, because the NPCs have a specific reaction to it. The tone in which the line is delivered would have an effect on their reaction, and as such in many cases a specific tone IS ascribed to a response.  Just because we're not explicitly shown our character speaking it doesn't mean it's not there.

This has happened in EVERY RPG Sylvius, even "classic" RPGs that you so staunchly support. You can try to deny it all you want, but you'd only be fooling yourself.

Yes, there are some lines in which you can leave the delivery open to some interpretation, but there are some where you cannot because of the strong reaction of the NPC involved. Unless of course you want to have them act completely out of character for the occasional line of dialogue.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 08 octobre 2010 - 11:05 .

[Karlojey]

Dude, the game hasn't been out yet. Give it a shot or wait for reviews after the game has been released before saying it sucks.

A lot of us are looking for stuff that were in Origins, but let's face this with an open mind before saying it's bad. If you've read the replies from some of the people that were able to play the demo, they think it has promise.

Just 5 more months man. If it sucks,THEN we can judge the game and bash the Bioware people on this forum

Modifié par Karlojey, 08 octobre 2010 - 11:24 .

[errend]

Well damn they reduced the number of ally you have at each time,three wasent enought now we have two hell we should have been able to taketeh whole god damn party but nooo console cant take such a big party so they are making this a console hack n slash with a bit of rpg just like mass effect 2 was a shooter with a bit of rpg.
Well so much for the spiritual desendent of baldur gates i hope they fix those thing before it becomes a full console hack n slash

[DPB]

errend wrote...

Well damn they reduced the number of ally you have at each time,three wasent enought now we have two hell we should have been able to taketeh whole god damn party but nooo console cant take such a big party so they are making this a console hack n slash with a bit of rpg just like mass effect 2 was a shooter with a bit of rpg.

Not true. You can still have a party of four.

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Like Origins, you can take a party of four characters (Hawke + 3 more) into combat.

Modifié par dbankier, 08 octobre 2010 - 11:39 .

[DAOME2FTW]

tmp7704 wrote...

The video you mention is example of over-the-top framed narrative which greatly exaggerates Hawke's deeds and skills. It's short sequence in the beginning of the game from what we're told and then it switches to "that's how it really happened" mode which is much closer to DAO experience.

edit: given the comments on that gametrailers page looks quite a few people make this mistake... BioWare is kinda shooting itself in the foot with choosing this particular bit for the demo, i suppose. On the other hand maybe that's desired effect.

You mean say... Varic is saying hawke sliced through the darkspawn ranks like butter, and then cassandra or whatever her name is comes in and present you with the true, more tactical story?

[Adanu]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
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Start nagging the PR department to let you show it then, sure fire way to end the debate. Plenty of games get trailers months and sometimes years before release. We're 5 months out, I would think you guys would have something you're ready to show by now.

It would have been out by now, but we push it back a day everytime Brock says that we should show gameplay, so, at this rate you will see it in ..... *does some quick math*....2014.

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[*]No matter how you look at it, someone posted ,and people are based their initial views on that video, and hurting peoples impressions. Some of those people would otherwise give you a chance but consider this the *de facto* vide to judge by, so they don't look anymore. Whoever is in charge of your PR department needs a lesson in public perception. Right now should be damage control for this game on the internet.
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[*]Then again, this is EA we're talking about.
[*]Edit: Ugh, I can't get rid of these damned bits at the beginning.

Modifié par Adanu, 08 octobre 2010 - 11:49 .

[FedericoV]

Burrs wrote...

Dragon Age 2 disappoints me. I thoroughly enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins because it was a resurrection of the great rpgs of old. The races, the origins, the isometric view, the incredibly in-depth story. They made that game incredible in a stagnant RPG market. Naturally I assumed dragon age 2 would simply build off the original, perhaps polish the combat a bit. This however, did not happen. Instead I see a game which appears to have had almost all of it's RPG elements trimmed off. After watching this gameplay video: I am even furthered disillusioned. This is not the IP that burst out of nowhere to become a fan favorite. This seems to be a hack and slash game with a good story. I mean, there are fpses with more classes than this game. Bioware, EA, I am disappointed. I will not be buying this game, and I hope you take into account that the features you removed are disgruntling customers. Hopefully you will return to the roots of this great IP some day. Until then my wallet will go elsewere.

I do not agree with you. I mean, I see the same changes you are talking about and even if I am a Bioware's customer since BG I times, I think that DA:O needs those changes very badly and that the design is going mostly in the right direction. I'm one of those who thinks that DA:O was only a good game, not great, not perfect and it could be improved (even if going toward the action rpg route).

Origins were mostly a waste if not to flesh out the setting (wich, imho, was their most important role in the economy ogf the game at the end). The combat system was a complete and unenjoyable mess and needed badly some kind of rethinking. They could have made a really tactical game (wich I would have liked, but then, it should have been turn based). They instead choose for an action game: but that's Bioware style since the beginning (BG was accused by Fallout fans to be an hack and slash diablo clone since it wasn't turn based). Bioware have allways made action games. The silent protagonist is more a personal thing, but I do not like it. I want to be the guy in charge. I want to be as present and as lively as the NPC. If that's cost me the ability to use races that I would have never used anyway (like 90% of DA:O players, who have used the Human Noble or Human Mage Origin...) and that I would have prefered to be out of the setting from the start (I'm so tired with dwarves and elves...), it's a win_win for me. The paraphrase system compacts dialogue? I do not think so and at the end I have the same problem with the complete texts since many times the reaction of NPCs was not in line with my dialogue choices. I think that the icon/tone system is better.

You do not want to buy DA2? Don't buy it. But wrting a post only to threaten Bioware with your wallet it's so childish... at least, register your copy of DA:O so you give some weight to your criticism (just an advise).

Modifié par FedericoV, 08 octobre 2010 - 11:52 .

[FieryDove]

FedericoV wrote...


Origins were mostly a waste if not to flesh out the setting (wich, imho, was their most important role in the economy ogf the game at the end). The combat system was a complete and unenjoyable mess and needed badly some kind of rethinking.

So you think DA was a terrible game and want something completely different?

The combat was great with just needing some minor adjustments on the PC version.

My complaints - Two-handers would be dead if they really took that long to attack something. Archers could take a nap before firing regular shots much less specials and trying to without a rapid aim bow makes me want to break the bow in little pieces. Too much haste made one fire even slower, I don't recall that bug ever being fixed outside a mod...? Oh well, the rest combat-wise was great. All imho

[SteveGarbage]

DAOME2FTW wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

The video you mention is example of over-the-top framed narrative which greatly exaggerates Hawke's deeds and skills. It's short sequence in the beginning of the game from what we're told and then it switches to "that's how it really happened" mode which is much closer to DAO experience.

edit: given the comments on that gametrailers page looks quite a few people make this mistake... BioWare is kinda shooting itself in the foot with choosing this particular bit for the demo, i suppose. On the other hand maybe that's desired effect.

You mean say... Varic is saying hawke sliced through the darkspawn ranks like butter, and then cassandra or whatever her name is comes in and present you with the true, more tactical story?

Actually, yes, that's exactly what happens. In the "real" version, Hawke and his family has a much more difficult time cutting their way out of the Blightlands.

[FedericoV]

FieryDove wrote...

FedericoV wrote...


Origins were mostly a waste if not to flesh out the setting (wich, imho, was their most important role in the economy ogf the game at the end). The combat system was a complete and unenjoyable mess and needed badly some kind of rethinking.

So you think DA was a terrible game and want something completely different?

The combat was great with just needing some minor adjustments on the PC version.

No, no, don't get me wrong: as I've said i think that DA:O was a good game. But not great and far from perfect as many states when jugding DA2 design direction. Just a personal preference: there is nothing objective here.

I mean, the storyline, npc, choices and consequences were really great in DA:O. Some of the best in RPG history since Arcanuum imho. But I do not liked a lot the gameplay. The rule system was broken and not ispired, confused in some  way and completely unbalanced. As a result, combat was easy, repetitive and boring. There were some cool feature here and there (like combos), but I never felt really addicted to it: it seems like a mix between BG, Diablo and WoW and imho it hasn't  worked very well (and not as intended). For me the fault lies in the long development cycle of DA:O. Too many transition, too many changes between head developers.

I would have loved a real tactical game for DA2, but since it's not the way of the market, I'm glad that they have choseen to develop an action system were combat is fun, visceral, quick and deadly and doesn't get too much in the way of the story wich imho will be the stronger point of DA2 too. That's my point and so for me DA2 is going in mostly in the right direction and I understand dev's choices (I also understand ME influences... well, you know, they cannot act like ME2 was not considered the best game they have made so far from critics and players alike). So, good story/interaction/choices+revised combat: for me is a win/win .

For the other things, they are more personal and I do not understand how they can be game breaking features for some players, but to each is own :happy:. I think that silent protagonist is outdated, I do not care about elves and dwarves (I would love a fantasy setting that avoid them in any way or form) and I think that origins was mostly a waste of develepoment resources, since they do not add anything to the core of the game (even if they were really interesting and well written: a great way to understand Thedas better).

[Urazz]

Burrs wrote...

Lady light doorbell wrote...

How do you know that the RPG elements has been removed? Are you part of their team? No? I thought so...

There are no race options, no origins options, and the dialogue wheel compacts possible choices. Also, the isometric view allowed for more tactical combat. I'm only going by what the company is releasing.

Yeah but they have a reason for this.

1. they are making the PC voice acted now.  They would need several different voice actors for the different races and genders.  That is expensive.

2. Multiple origns also take up resources and time.  Personally, I only found a few of the origins in DA:O to be good and only one that really tied into the plot the best (human noble).

[In Exile]

FieryDove wrote...
My complaints - Two-handers would be dead if they really took that long to attack something. Archers could take a nap before firing regular shots much less specials and trying to without a rapid aim bow makes me want to break the bow in little pieces. Too much haste made one fire even slower, I don't recall that bug ever being fixed outside a mod...? Oh well, the rest combat-wise was great. All imho

I played around with a 2-handed warrior on a speed-run recently. I use to think they were absolute garbage. They're really not. They just need to be buffed right and have the right specs, i.e. a full on strength dump. Some of their abilities that hit twice are absolutely devastating.

[Urazz]

In Exile wrote...

FieryDove wrote...
My complaints - Two-handers would be dead if they really took that long to attack something. Archers could take a nap before firing regular shots much less specials and trying to without a rapid aim bow makes me want to break the bow in little pieces. Too much haste made one fire even slower, I don't recall that bug ever being fixed outside a mod...? Oh well, the rest combat-wise was great. All imho

I played around with a 2-handed warrior on a speed-run recently. I use to think they were absolute garbage. They're really not. They just need to be buffed right and have the right specs, i.e. a full on strength dump. Some of their abilities that hit twice are absolutely devastating.

Well, with 2hander warriors, it's more dump most of your points in strength, some in willpower so you can spam your abilities more, and a few in constitution so you can tank better works best.

[Maverick827]

The silent, passive protagonist is a construct of the past's limited technology, not a specifically chosen narrative technique. By and large a voiced character, who can take the center stage and actually act as a protagonist, is simply a better way to tell a story.

If you happened upon Tolkien working on a rough draft of Lord of the Rings using the first person voice, you would undoubtedly say to him "You know, you might want to look into third person omniscient, it's probably a better storytelling method for what you're trying to do."

[marshalleck]

ralph2190 wrote...

This again. Why don't you just go ahead and leave like you are planning to. It would be one less child for the rest of us to reassure.

You have no obligation to "reassure" anyone. That's Bioware's job. If you don't like a thread or just a particular post, ignore it.