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[-Ice]

I think we're getting a bit off-topic here by arguing who's looking better than who so let me just quote my original post, with emphasis:

-Ice wrote...

I'm quite positive this just boils down to my personal preferences, but the default Miranda (wide forehead, buckteeth) just makes me want to "stay dead."  I thought Ashley's exaggerated lashes were funny but Miranda just looks.... wrong.  Listening to her sounds wrong as well.  I was wondering if anyone has "remedied" this situation besides changing hair color or costume?

Thanks!

Modifié par -Ice, 09 octobre 2010 - 11:06 .

[Caihn]

-Ice wrote...


Well, obviously Miranda falls right into Yannkee's tastes. I wish I could say she looks "alright" but with ME1's Ashley and Liara looking better than Miranda, I just don't know. We all have different tastes and ME2's Miranda doesn't quite fall into my ballpark.

Personally :

[kalle90]

Ryzaki wrote...
Look at it this way: Miranda's "Perfect" therefore she would be a turnoff for some people. (One of the reasons I pretend my Sheps were never interested in her) they may like her personality but she's so perfect looking that  she comes off as completely unnatural and a complete turn off.

Any girl in Dead or Alive is more "perfect" looking than Miranda. IMO Miranda suffers the same thing as any other ME character starting from Shepard - most of the time they look ok, but there are those few scenes that really make me facepalm

[AsheraII]

Felfenix wrote...

Poor ManSheps. One girl has a lumpy bucktooth face. Another has a pretty face, but hooker makeup and no hair. The last girl seems to have no face at all.

I actually lolled.

But basically, skin textures seem to have a wee bit too much "shine" or "reflection" to them, making them appear slightly plasticized.
Just compare Miranda and Yvonne's pictures: They are definitely similar, but on Yvonne's picture, you can see a fine skin-texture, which reflects the light very different from how Miranda's skin reflects the light.

I wouldn´t know if it would be technically possible, but including a very light, fine-grained bumpmap to Miranda's skintexture might be all that's required to get a "perfect match" between the two. But even if such a thing were possible, it'd might require a re-build of the game-engine, which would basically mean: not gonna happen.

For the regular GFX critics: I noticed how none of you EVER used the in-game "movie-grain" feature. Though I found ME1's movie-grain feature a bit better than ME2's, it's still a pretty neat feature, which I hope will return as an option in ME3 again. And it definitely helps make these "unnatural" appearances look natural.

Just saying, extreme detail levels aren't everything either.

[Melra]

Yannkee wrote...

-Ice wrote...


Well, obviously Miranda falls right into Yannkee's tastes. I wish I could say she looks "alright" but with ME1's Ashley and Liara looking better than Miranda, I just don't know. We all have different tastes and ME2's Miranda doesn't quite fall into my ballpark.

Personally :

Mmm. <3<3:wub:<3<3.

[jojon2se]

I know that the developers pride themselves on the improved lighting between ME1 and 2, but I'm afraid I'm missing that most of the time.

Even if it is true that Miranda is an actual 3D scan of Yvonne's face, I just can't see them as similar-looking at all; "lumpy", or "swollen" one might say of Miri, along with "flattened", as if she has walked into a wall and become deformed.

It is probably a lot to do with the lighting and skin shaders.

You can see something very similar with the character Shiala, who looks very different to her appearence in ME1. This may very very well have been intentional, to make her look genuinely sickly, but in ME1, she had a sleek and vibrant look to her, whereas in ME2 she's kind of pudgy and pasty. Assuming the head model is used unmodified between the games, one might look at the different lighting conditions between the locations in which she appears: the thorian's lair was dark with warm-ish point lights, that produced stark contrasts, sublimating geometry, whereas Illium is very evenly and coldly lit, leading to features becoming washed out instead.

I'm guessing that in addition to the locational light conditions, the scenographers may have increased ambient base lighting for skin shaders, in order to fake sub-surface scattering cheaply, but as a result producing flat looking faces, often increasing the plastic look, which would be the opposite of the intended effect

[Elyvern]

-Ice wrote...

I think we're getting a bit off-topic here by arguing who's looking better than who so let me just quote my original post, with emphasis:

-Ice wrote...

I'm quite positive this just boils down to my personal preferences, but the default Miranda (wide forehead, buckteeth) just makes me want to "stay dead."  I thought Ashley's exaggerated lashes were funny but Miranda just looks.... wrong.  Listening to her sounds wrong as well.  I was wondering if anyone has "remedied" this situation besides changing hair color or costume?

Thanks!

To each their own accord. ME games uses Unreal3d engine, which is very user-unfriendly to mod, not to mention there is no modding toolkit for ME. Even modding hair and costumes is hard--and you will find very few mods out there for those even. So your answer is No, there are no mods out there to change faces.

[Saibh]

-Ice wrote...

I think we're getting a bit off-topic here by arguing who's looking better than who so let me just quote my original post, with emphasis:

-Ice wrote...

I'm quite positive this just boils down to my personal preferences, but the default Miranda (wide forehead, buckteeth) just makes me want to "stay dead."  I thought Ashley's exaggerated lashes were funny but Miranda just looks.... wrong.  Listening to her sounds wrong as well.  I was wondering if anyone has "remedied" this situation besides changing hair color or costume?

Thanks!

No. Not to the best of my knowledge.

[Annihilator27]

Whereto wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
yvonne > miranda:wizard:

Real life > Unreal 3 engine

Crysis > Real life

Mmmmmm cant wait to run Crysis 2 on max settings, Like the first game. Its going to end pc again lmao.

[Ryzaki]

kalle90 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Look at it this way: Miranda's "Perfect" therefore she would be a turnoff for some people. (One of the reasons I pretend my Sheps were never interested in her) they may like her personality but she's so perfect looking that  she comes off as completely unnatural and a complete turn off.

Any girl in Dead or Alive is more "perfect" looking than Miranda. IMO Miranda suffers the same thing as any other ME character starting from Shepard - most of the time they look ok, but there are those few scenes that really make me facepalm

...You have never seen a really perfect looking person naturally. They don't freakin exist. Everyone has some flaw on their face. And there's plenty of flaws in those DoA girls. Their chests for one. <_< 

Though frankly whenever I see something too perfect looking I try to find a flaw (I've never failed to find one yet). Even my stuffed animals get the same treatment.

Though yes Miranda doesn't look as good as she should, I was just trying to give a ingame reason so the OP would stop freeting over it. (worked for me at least).

...Though maybe I dislike perfection on principle because it's always fake.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 octobre 2010 - 05:28 .

[Saibh]

Ryzaki wrote...

kalle90 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Look at it this way: Miranda's "Perfect" therefore she would be a turnoff for some people. (One of the reasons I pretend my Sheps were never interested in her) they may like her personality but she's so perfect looking that  she comes off as completely unnatural and a complete turn off.

Any girl in Dead or Alive is more "perfect" looking than Miranda. IMO Miranda suffers the same thing as any other ME character starting from Shepard - most of the time they look ok, but there are those few scenes that really make me facepalm

...You have never seen a really perfect looking person naturally. They don't freakin exist. Everyone has some flaw on their face. And there's plenty of flaws in those DoA girls. Their chests for one. <_< 

Though frankly whenever I see something too perfect looking I try to find a flaw (I've never failed to find one yet). Even my stuffed animals get the same treatment.

Though yes Miranda doesn't look as good as she should, I was just trying to give a ingame reason so the OP would stop freeting over it. (worked for me at least).

...Though maybe I dislike perfection on principle because it's always fake.

You've never heard of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"? Some people, I'm sure, have seen their absolute perfect ideal of beauty. You haven't, and you probably never will.

I've don't think of human beauty in "perfect" or "imperfect" terms because how does a human being be perfect? Although we find "average" faces to be pretty, most people delegate the most beautiful faces as having something non-average to set them apart and make the gorgeous and not just blandly pretty.

Personally, I think it has to do with Uncanny Valley making a unique--but very pretty--face rendered to polygons, and the slight tweaks done to make her face easier to animate.

[Ryzaki]

Saibh wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

kalle90 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Look at it this way: Miranda's "Perfect" therefore she would be a turnoff for some people. (One of the reasons I pretend my Sheps were never interested in her) they may like her personality but she's so perfect looking that  she comes off as completely unnatural and a complete turn off.

Any girl in Dead or Alive is more "perfect" looking than Miranda. IMO Miranda suffers the same thing as any other ME character starting from Shepard - most of the time they look ok, but there are those few scenes that really make me facepalm

...You have never seen a really perfect looking person naturally. They don't freakin exist. Everyone has some flaw on their face. And there's plenty of flaws in those DoA girls. Their chests for one. <_< 

Though frankly whenever I see something too perfect looking I try to find a flaw (I've never failed to find one yet). Even my stuffed animals get the same treatment.

Though yes Miranda doesn't look as good as she should, I was just trying to give a ingame reason so the OP would stop freeting over it. (worked for me at least).

...Though maybe I dislike perfection on principle because it's always fake.

You've never heard of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"? Some people, I'm sure, have seen their absolute perfect ideal of beauty. You haven't, and you probably never will.

I've don't think of human beauty in "perfect" or "imperfect" terms because how does a human being be perfect? Although we find "average" faces to be pretty, most people delegate the most beautiful faces as having something non-average to set them apart and make the gorgeous and not just blandly pretty.

Personally, I think it has to do with Uncanny Valley making a unique--but very pretty--face rendered to polygons, and the slight tweaks done to make her face easier to animate.

NIce attempt at trying to be insulting. And nice attempt at pretending you know all my experiences too. You must be a all knowing psychic. Why don't you use your powers to make you some money instead of interent boards? 

I have seen several things I 've seen "beautiful" and "perfect" to me. I'm not fool enough to call it perfect period though. Perfect simply means there's no flaws. Not that something is attractive.

And there honestly is something that makes Miranda "unperfect" that has nothing to do with her face or personality. LOTSB spoilers just read the Dossier.

And I have to admit the UV with Miranda is ridculous. Though I've found moments of UV with all the PCs (particually Shep whenever he/she smiles too widely).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 octobre 2010 - 05:45 .

[Saibh]

Ryzaki wrote...

NIce attempt at trying to be insulting.

I have seen several things I 've seen "beautiful" and "perfect" to me. I'm not fool enough to call it perfect period though. Perfect simply means there's no flaws. Not that something is attractive.

And I have to admit the UV with Miranda is ridculous. Though I've found moments of UV with all the PCs (particually Shep whenever he/she smiles too widely).

Uh. Cool. I wasn't insulting you. Telling you you'll never see a perfect human being is insulting? You...you said it yourself. And I said that I have never found a perfect human being, either. So I guess I burned myself, too. I was simply pointing out that your personal definition of what is perfect and what is not is entirely up to you. Others may disagree.

[Ryzaki]

Saibh wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

NIce attempt at trying to be insulting.

I have seen several things I 've seen "beautiful" and "perfect" to me. I'm not fool enough to call it perfect period though. Perfect simply means there's no flaws. Not that something is attractive.

And I have to admit the UV with Miranda is ridculous. Though I've found moments of UV with all the PCs (particually Shep whenever he/she smiles too widely).

Uh. Cool. I wasn't insulting you. Telling you you'll never see a perfect human being is insulting? You...you said it yourself. And I said that I have never found a perfect human being, either. So I guess I burned myself, too. I was simply pointing out that your personal definition of what is perfect and what is not is entirely up to you. Others may disagree.

...Why repeat something I had already said? 

Miranda is supposedly the "perfect" woman in general. ...That said I wonder why BW bothered since it is up to individual interpretation? 

I do wish however she wasn't so UV but...that goes for every human and Asari in ME so...it's probably the engine's fault. As doll like as the DA characters look they still looked more real to me.

[Rogue Unit]

An ugly face is better than no face at all.



I'm looking at you, Tali.

[Burdokva]

I think te problem with her face is that it is... inconsistent. The screenshot that Yankee posted, as well as his avatar picture, make her look absolutely gorgeous. Then again, under some some lighting conditions Miranda's face looks really bad. Almost creepy...



By the way, it's great that they chose Yvonne as her VA and model, she's gorgeous. But maybe they should have "softened" Miranda's facial features a bit because of ME2's sharp shadows and high contrast lighting.

[gamestress]

Just now DL 'n ME2, but my 2 cents ... I think Miranda is gorgeous, I made my manshep me1 just for her. He's gonna toss ole blue, and he never liked ash.

[THIS.HURTS.YOU]

Something was clearly lost in translation between Yvonne and Miranda because I can't imagine many people faulting the source material. A few people have mentioned lighting as a possible culprit and I agree, but I'd go further in also suggesting that her model is too pale as well. There are simply too many scenes where the combination of lighting and paleness leads to a complete void of definition beyond the center of Miranda's face (eyes, nose and mouth) and its periphery (her hair), as though her face has become overexposed. This results in making her look severely swollen (like she's gone into anaphalactic shock), obese, or flat-faced at many times throughout the game. Hopefully they'll make some adjustments to her for ME3.

I'd also appreciate them fixing Ashley's lazy eye. I can't help but fixate on it every time I bump into her on Horizon.

[brfritos]

I can agree that MIranda's face is far from perfect, but the intent behind works perfectly: she resambles Yvonne.

That's the important thing.

The same applies to Aria, BTW.

[FlyinElk212]

Miranda has something other than her ass?

[Nuala]

Not to go off topic, but does anyone else think Sophia Myles looks a hell of alot like Yvonne Strahovski?



(http://www.makli.com...ophia-myles.jpg)

[Felfenix]

Her head looks too big on her body, too.

[Saibh]

brfritos wrote...

I can agree that MIranda's face is far from perfect, but the intent behind works perfectly: she resambles Yvonne.
That's the important thing.
The same applies to Aria, BTW.

I didn't think Aria was supposed to be beautiful. She doesn't look like Carrie-Anne Moss...

[Revan312]

Miranda is.. well... she's... hmm. How do I put this gently.. an acquired taste? Hell I'll just say it, she's bizarre looking. Flat, puffy, wide faced etc etc, she's definately not the traditional idea of a femme fatale.

I always thought of Miranda, after reading about her before the game came out, looking more like this..



Of course it's hard for me to think of any woman as being more beautiful than Monica Bellucci, subjective of course but still, she's just wow.. stutter worthy

As to the question at hand, I don't think she can have a different head model, shep can have her's, but I don't believe anyone has found a way to do the opposite..

Modifié par Revan312, 10 octobre 2010 - 02:50 .

[Turian Antiquarian]

Monica Bellucci



*sigh...*



What a cruel world we live in.