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[Xilizhra]

Like Ser Cauthrien, it's an interesting element of Dragon Age that we know far too little about. They seem to be the designated villainous nation, but I find them interesting nonetheless... especially the Imperial Chantry, which I actually support over the Chantry of Andraste for its greater liberalism. If DA2 gets a Tevinter party member, it'd make me a happy panda, but for now, just general Tevinter discussion?

[tool_bot]

The Imperial Chantry isn't any freer then that of Orlais. The existing mages who control everything hoarde knowledge and try to keep mages of 'lesser' status down. There's also there willingness to practice slavery and the lack of value they place on the lives of any non mage (especially elves)

[Xilizhra]

Freer in doctrine, I guess. The place is still an authoritarian hellhole, but... I don't know. It feels sort of like wasted potential.

[Reika]

And judging by what the mages in the Alienage were doing, they don't object to blood magic either.

[tool_bot]

Reika wrote...

And judging by what the mages in the Alienage were doing, they don't object to blood magic either.

There's nothing wrong with blood magic and it's well known Tevinter still practices it. What got me was willing they were to throw away lives for so little gain.

[Xilizhra]

Caladrius will only sacrifice the elves if you ask him for a power boost, and there he does it because you'll kill him if he doesn't. He really doesn't want the elves gone; they're profit, if nothing else.

[tool_bot]

Xilizhra wrote...

Caladrius will only sacrifice the elves if you ask him for a power boost, and there he does it because you'll kill him if he doesn't. He really doesn't want the elves gone; they're profit, if nothing else.

Doesn't he make the offer first?

sidenote, I always wondered why it had to be the elves. Isn't the room filled with Tevinter slave traders?

[Xilizhra]

I think you killed the other slavers already. And no, he just begs you not to kill him; you're the one who asks for a little enhancement.

[thesuperdarkone]

tool_bot wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Caladrius will only sacrifice the elves if you ask him for a power boost, and there he does it because you'll kill him if he doesn't. He really doesn't want the elves gone; they're profit, if nothing else.

Doesn't he make the offer first?

sidenote, I always wondered why it had to be the elves. Isn't the room filled with Tevinter slave traders?

Isn't everyone else dead by then.

[tool_bot]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Caladrius will only sacrifice the elves if you ask him for a power boost, and there he does it because you'll kill him if he doesn't. He really doesn't want the elves gone; they're profit, if nothing else.

Doesn't he make the offer first?

sidenote, I always wondered why it had to be the elves. Isn't the room filled with Tevinter slave traders?

Isn't everyone else dead by then.

I remember the battle ending after you take down Caladrius. Or maybe I'm just mixing it up with other fights through out the game.

And anyway, they're only recently dead. Come on, mag,e work that magic!

[Herr Uhl]

Xilizhra wrote...

Freer in doctrine, I guess. The place is still an authoritarian hellhole, but... I don't know. It feels sort of like wasted potential.

Freer? I don't know, they seem to be about the same as the other chantry only with mages at the top.

And on a sidenote, Rivain is a lot more intriguing.

[Xilizhra]

Freer in that they don't persecute mages. The fact that mages are at the top is a consequence of Tevinter's magocratic structure.

[Herr Uhl]

Xilizhra wrote...

Freer in that they don't persecute mages. The fact that mages are at the top is a consequence of Tevinter's magocratic structure.

They don't prosecute them? Tevinter has circles too. The difference is that they presumably have mages hunting mages, not templars.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am more interested in the Tevinter Imperium in its zenith, prior to the Chantry. It sounds like it was an impressive civilization, despite the Chantry and elves portraying it as the ultimate evil. I hope we get to learn more about it in the future.

[Xilizhra]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am more interested in the Tevinter Imperium in its zenith, prior to the Chantry. It sounds like it was an impressive civilization, despite the Chantry and elves portraying it as the ultimate evil. I hope we get to learn more about it in the future.

As do I.

They don't prosecute them? Tevinter has circles too. The difference is
that they presumably have mages hunting mages, not templars.

No, the Imperial Chantry only has prohibitions against using mind control. The Circles might be artifacts from before the schism.

[Reika]

tool_bot wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Caladrius will only sacrifice the elves if you ask him for a power boost, and there he does it because you'll kill him if he doesn't. He really doesn't want the elves gone; they're profit, if nothing else.

Doesn't he make the offer first?

sidenote, I always wondered why it had to be the elves. Isn't the room filled with Tevinter slave traders?

He does make the offer to enhance you with blood magic if you let him live. And at that point my Warden and her group have already slaughtered his goons.

[Herr Uhl]

Xilizhra wrote...

They don't prosecute them? Tevinter has circles too. The difference is  that they presumably have mages hunting mages, not templars.

No, the Imperial Chantry only has prohibitions against using mind control. The Circles might be artifacts from before the schism.

Where are your sources to this? Life for a mage in Tevinter is about the same as one in Nevarra (at least according to Gaider).

[KnightofPhoenix]

Herr Uhl wrote...
Life for a mage in Tevinter is about the same as one in Nevarra (at least according to Gaider).

But doesn't the fact that some mages can achieve higher positions than common mages show that there is some form of upward social mobility, even if restricted, for mages? If a mage works hard enough (and not necessarily in an honest way), he/she can achieve better status than mages elsewhere. At least that's what I think. It is entirely possible that the mages in control are aristocratic in nature, as such it's carried in the blood only.

But to be fair, the advisor to the Orlesian puppet king in Ferelden was also a mage. So there might be some form of social mobility for mages utside of the Imperium as well, though maybe not on the same scale.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 octobre 2010 - 12:17 .

[Xilizhra]

KoP is pretty much right; the Circles exist as organizational structures, but mages aren't forbidden from entering politics and have much more upward mobility than in other areas.

[Reika]

The impression that I've gotten, and I could be entirely wrong, is that Ferelden is the hardest on mages. I can't quite put my finger on why, but it just seems that way to me.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Hmmmm, I don't remember anything specifically saying that Ferelden is the hardest on them, I think all Chantry nations treat them the same. It could be if Cullen ends up as Knight Commander though.

[Reika]

Like I said, I'm not sure why I got the impression. It might be the Cullen epilogue.

[henkez3]

If there is one place i would like to visit in a DA game above any other, it would be the Tevinter Imperium and of course Minrathous, which is, if I remember the only unoccupied city of the empire. It is by far the most interesting setting in Thedas IMHO.

[Xilizhra]

Who exactly is occupying the place?

[henkez3]

Most of Tevinter is occupied by the Qunari I believe.