henkez3 wrote...
Most of Tevinter is occupied by the Qunari I believe.
No. It isn't.
The Tevinter Imperium
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Xilizhra
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#26
Posté 09 octobre 2010 - 02:21
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No. It isn't.
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#27
Posté 09 octobre 2010 - 02:59
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It isn't, I misread a part on the dragon age wiki, my mistake.
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Posté 09 octobre 2010 - 03:08
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Also, considering how Tevinter was able to survive the Qunari invasions and several exalted marches, I am curious as to the role of mages during these wars and how the Imperium deployed them. I don't think they need permission from the Imperial Chantry, or if they do, it would be granted by default.
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Posté 09 octobre 2010 - 03:20
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Also, considering how Tevinter was able to survive the Qunari invasions and several exalted marches, I am curious as to the role of mages during these wars and how the Imperium deployed them. I don't think they need permission from the Imperial Chantry, or if they do, it would be granted by default.
I got the impression - from the alienage where you meet the Tevinter mages at the sicjhouse - that the Tevinter rules are reversed from what we see in Ferelden. That is, the mages seemed to be in charge, with the soldiers - I assume Templars - taking their orders and simply protecting them, rather than "keeping watch over them" as we see in Ferelden.
Just my view, though, no proof for it at all.
#30
Posté 09 octobre 2010 - 03:25
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According to David Gaider, not all mages are in charge. A few are, and they keep a tight leash on the other mages (with "mage templars"), possibly fearing them challenging their power. I don't know if the mages in the Alienage were "common mages" or "elite mages".
#31
Posté 09 octobre 2010 - 04:01
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
According to David Gaider, not all mages are in charge. A few are, and they keep a tight leash on the other mages (with "mage templars"), possibly fearing them challenging their power. I don't know if the mages in the Alienage were "common mages" or "elite mages".
The leader would be someone moderately high in the command structure, something akin to an enchanter in the Circle. The rest are just underlings.
At least that is what I'd wager.
#32
Posté 16 août 2012 - 07:24
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The fortresses of Ostagar and Aeonar, at the opposite ends of the Imperial highway, were built by the Tevinters for 'magical experimantation'.
When you play the dalish origins story, and when you do the Nature of the Beast blight quest, the 'elvish' ruins look uncanily similar, so proberly had some human help in their construacion. Mabye humans moved in alongside the elves, who pushed them away due to the quickening affect, so as a result lived nearby, in submerged buildings* seperate fron the clans. Perhaps then some of the elves moved in with the mages under the promice of greatness and then became the target for some nasty magics. We know the forests in DA are closely linked with the fade due to spirits and death in the area. Do you recon that the early mages turned their experimentation on the elves because of their long lifespan and their affinity to the fade? Early elves might have reacted differently under magical strain the early, rather stocky, humans.
*The Old Gods reside underground, so perhaps the notion of putting their vast dwellings underground has some religious significance, or perhaps all great empires lived underground. The dwarven kingdoms used to streach for miles underground, with great cities and thaigs. Magic is found in stone (crystals, lyrium, frostrocks and the like), and as well as fetching a pretty sum on the market, can make someone augment their natural abilities. All of these early races and empires- dwarves, chantry - all are bound up in a rigid hierachal system, all working for the good af the whole, though this does tend to lead to the class with the most power and influence leading the flock. Just look at orzammar politics!
It is only natural, that as an early race, the archons turned to blood magic. All early races use what is around and available to them, and it's only natural to see oneself as a source of power and energy. Look at the blood sacrifices the Aztecs did- though they worked for theirs Gods, not for themselves, and the tevinters don't wear the flesh of their dead (at least not yet!).
I want to know so much more about the early races, especially tevinter.Was it desperatoin that drove them forward into their practice of magic, the prospect of power, a desire to mimic their gods, or were they just generally curious?
When you play the dalish origins story, and when you do the Nature of the Beast blight quest, the 'elvish' ruins look uncanily similar, so proberly had some human help in their construacion. Mabye humans moved in alongside the elves, who pushed them away due to the quickening affect, so as a result lived nearby, in submerged buildings* seperate fron the clans. Perhaps then some of the elves moved in with the mages under the promice of greatness and then became the target for some nasty magics. We know the forests in DA are closely linked with the fade due to spirits and death in the area. Do you recon that the early mages turned their experimentation on the elves because of their long lifespan and their affinity to the fade? Early elves might have reacted differently under magical strain the early, rather stocky, humans.
*The Old Gods reside underground, so perhaps the notion of putting their vast dwellings underground has some religious significance, or perhaps all great empires lived underground. The dwarven kingdoms used to streach for miles underground, with great cities and thaigs. Magic is found in stone (crystals, lyrium, frostrocks and the like), and as well as fetching a pretty sum on the market, can make someone augment their natural abilities. All of these early races and empires- dwarves, chantry - all are bound up in a rigid hierachal system, all working for the good af the whole, though this does tend to lead to the class with the most power and influence leading the flock. Just look at orzammar politics!
It is only natural, that as an early race, the archons turned to blood magic. All early races use what is around and available to them, and it's only natural to see oneself as a source of power and energy. Look at the blood sacrifices the Aztecs did- though they worked for theirs Gods, not for themselves, and the tevinters don't wear the flesh of their dead (at least not yet!).
I want to know so much more about the early races, especially tevinter.Was it desperatoin that drove them forward into their practice of magic, the prospect of power, a desire to mimic their gods, or were they just generally curious?
#33
Posté 16 août 2012 - 11:17
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I wouldn't have done this otherwise, but since the thread is back anyway, Herr Uhl's question in the quote is mostly regarding stuff I learned in my first playthrough, and I don't remember seeing my exact answer anywhere in this thread...
As per the Codex, the interpretation of "Magic exists to serve man" in Tevinter is different. Under the White Divine, it is "Mages should not have political power." The Black Divine interprets it to mean "No Mind Control." This second interpretation means that there is no reason a mage could not, for instance, head up the Chantry. In fact, I believe the very first Black Divine, the one that started the schism, was also the First Enchanter of Minrathous. This isn't to say that Mages are not forced to join the Circle, and since there are legitimate reasons for this requirement (even without the Black Divine wanting to keep track of literally anybody who might one day be capable of threatening him one-on-one,) I imagine that a Circle education is as mandatory in Tevinter as it is everyplace else. So mages ruling and legal blood magic does not mean that an average mage's life in Tevinter is all that far removed from an average mage's life in Nevarra.
Now for the rest of Xilizhra's contribution. I was under the impression (though I can't cite Gaider or the Codex on this one) that the Circle system was set up before the schism, because if the Tevinters set it up on their own, they'd call them... academies? Asylums? Training Centers? I dunno, but they call them Circles. It's not strong evidence that the Circles predate the schism, but it is evidence.
And finally, something I read from a summary of Dragon Age: Asunder... yes, the Tevinters have Templars, they're just basically gelded as a law enforcement agency. They're not allowed to try and exert any control over mages: their only function is to hunt abominations.
Herr Uhl wrote...
Where are your sources to this? Life for a mage in Tevinter is about the same as one in Nevarra (at least according to Gaider).Xilizhra wrote...
No, the Imperial Chantry only has prohibitions against using mind control. The Circles might be artifacts from before the schism.They don't prosecute them? Tevinter has circles too. The difference is that they presumably have mages hunting mages, not templars.
As per the Codex, the interpretation of "Magic exists to serve man" in Tevinter is different. Under the White Divine, it is "Mages should not have political power." The Black Divine interprets it to mean "No Mind Control." This second interpretation means that there is no reason a mage could not, for instance, head up the Chantry. In fact, I believe the very first Black Divine, the one that started the schism, was also the First Enchanter of Minrathous. This isn't to say that Mages are not forced to join the Circle, and since there are legitimate reasons for this requirement (even without the Black Divine wanting to keep track of literally anybody who might one day be capable of threatening him one-on-one,) I imagine that a Circle education is as mandatory in Tevinter as it is everyplace else. So mages ruling and legal blood magic does not mean that an average mage's life in Tevinter is all that far removed from an average mage's life in Nevarra.
Now for the rest of Xilizhra's contribution. I was under the impression (though I can't cite Gaider or the Codex on this one) that the Circle system was set up before the schism, because if the Tevinters set it up on their own, they'd call them... academies? Asylums? Training Centers? I dunno, but they call them Circles. It's not strong evidence that the Circles predate the schism, but it is evidence.
And finally, something I read from a summary of Dragon Age: Asunder... yes, the Tevinters have Templars, they're just basically gelded as a law enforcement agency. They're not allowed to try and exert any control over mages: their only function is to hunt abominations.
Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 17 août 2012 - 02:48 .
