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[Brockololly]

Yeah, that article was just mining from that interview with Laidlaw posted a couple days ago where he simply said they weren't done with Morrigan's story. But she isn't coming back for DA2- Gaider said at PAX that there will be no Claudia Black VO in DA2 and given how WH ended I doubt Morrigan will show up except maybe at the very very end.



Or at least thats what I hope- have the last scene be the world at war, the Chantry in ruins, Flemeth doing who knows what. Pan over to some dilapidated Eluvian in some Elven/Tevinter ruin only to see a foot step out of the portal, followed by 2 other people- slowly pan up to reveal Morrigan, the Old God Kid and the Warden back to kick some ass and save the day! Hoooooray!

[aaniadyen]

You guys do understand that it said she's not done with the world, right? She can still be relevant to the setting without being in DA 2 at all. Granted that's unlikely...can't help but feel as though it misinterpreted that quote though.

[Zenjamin]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...
No. I hated her with a passion. 
At first, she was interesting. Seemed to have a way cool past, a good reason for being the way she was, and pretty intellegent...... Sort of.

But initial impressions were dulled when it became clear that She was closed minded and her opinions on survival and power were completely self serving. 

Thats what I liked about KOTR, your characters could be convinced of different opinions. Made your relationship with them actually mean something.

But Morrigan by comparrison is one dimentional and boring.
Ive got 5$ that says if morrigan had a bulky robe on for the wh9ole game instead of those clothes that showed 75% of her t!ts, she wouldnt have half the fans she does now.....



(IMO) [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Seriously though. The only way I would be happy with her coming back in DA2, is if you can kill her. 
Thats the only satisfying conclusion IMO.

I love her, however if you really hate her, do this.  Go to dragonagenexus.com (or you might check biowares projects page, not sure if it's there) and get the "Morrigan Restoration Mod".  

You see, originally it was scripted that you could betray Morrigan to the Templars after Broken Circle, however for whtever reason they scrapped it.  However, they did get Claudia Black's voice work for the scene done, its all there.  So, the author of said mod used the toolset to create his/her own cutscene to restore it (and personally I think he/she did a very nice job interpreting the dialogue).  You turn her in, she attacks the templars and escapes in dog form.  You get -100 approval with her and she's gone.

No.
Not good enough.
I wont be satisfied untill I can see her head on a pike.

... Ok. Not really. I would be satisfied if you could sort of "soften" her.... By that I mean that in DA2 she has been through some **** that gives her some humility, and is able to actually listen to what another has to say.

Dead.
Or old and humbled.

But a young heartless stubborn selfish woman who cannon treats like a saint?
No thank you

[Brockololly]

SirOccam wrote...

Dodok wrote...
Godbaby looks like an interesting character that I dont want to see ruined with some evil, typical twist on him.
Which would probably happen *sighs* I miss the old rpgs when sometimes the evil guys helped the good guys.

I don't know. I don't have anything concrete whatsoever to back this up, but I like to think it depends on your Warden. It would be awesome beyond words if her relationship with your Warden changed Morrigan and therefore the way she raised the baby.

If you romanced or befriended her, she seems to soften, just a little. It would be cool if that affected how she acted later on, whereas if you were neutral or didn't get along (or even stabbed her *shakes fist*), she's just as ruthless as ever.

YES- My imaginary dream DA would have it such that how you dealt with Morrigan affects how she goes about her plans. If you treated her like garbage and stabbed her- she'll be more like Flemeth perhaps and royally pissed not just at the PC but humanity in general, not unlike Flemeth seems to be. And she'd raise any possible Old God baby with that mentality.

Or if you were friendly or romanced her and maybe went through the portal with her, you can influence her  and the OGB in some way. It would be great if in DA3 perhaps if the OGB is still a kid you can interact with him such that the dialogue you have affects what sort of character he may become. So maybe in DA4 or some expack have the OGB all grown up on his own as an NPC but his outlook is dependent on how the Warden interacted with him or in turn, how Morrigan rasied him based on how the Warden treated Morrigan.

[aaniadyen]

Zenjamin wrote...But a young heartless stubborn selfish woman who cannon treats like a saint?
No thank you

Huh, I think that's actually what bothers me most about her. It's like she's a Mary Sue type character.

[Chuvvy]

If this is true, it my assertion that Witch Hunt was essentially an advertisement you had to pay for.

[SirOccam]

Brockololly wrote...

Or at least thats what I hope- have the last scene be the world at war, the Chantry in ruins, Flemeth doing who knows what. Pan over to some dilapidated Eluvian in some Elven/Tevinter ruin only to see a foot step out of the portal, followed by 2 other people- slowly pan up to reveal Morrigan, the Old God Kid and the Warden back to kick some ass and save the day! Hoooooray!

The word "epic" gets overused a lot these days, but that's exactly what that would be. Such an awesome mental image.

[Argyle]

Morrigan is a great character and I would like to see her in DA2, but not as a party member. She should be too plot critical for subordination to the protagonist's party management decisions. I would love to do a quest alongside her for old time's sake ... sort of in a Narlen Darkwalk-ish way.

[SirOccam]

Argyle wrote...

Morrigan is a great character and I would like to see her in DA2, but not as a party member. She should be too plot critical for subordination to the protagonist's party management decisions. I would love to do a quest alongside her for old time's sake ... sort of in a Narlen Darkwalk-ish way.

Just brainstorming here...maybe it would be a complete failure, but I wonder if it would ever be possible to have the player control a character who's not the leader of the group. I always wanted to read one of those Fantasy epics from the point of view of random_companion03 instead of the "farmboy with a destiny."

[Mike Laidlaw]

SirOccam wrote...

Argyle wrote...

Morrigan is a great character and I would like to see her in DA2, but not as a party member. She should be too plot critical for subordination to the protagonist's party management decisions. I would love to do a quest alongside her for old time's sake ... sort of in a Narlen Darkwalk-ish way.

Just brainstorming here...maybe it would be a complete failure, but I wonder if it would ever be possible to have the player control a character who's not the leader of the group. I always wanted to read one of those Fantasy epics from the point of view of random_companion03 instead of the "farmboy with a destiny."

Watson to the game's Holmes? Could work, especially if it was more like being Penny to Inspector Gadget; you'd be the one actually doing all the work, while someone else soaks in the praise. The key, I think, would be ensuring that you felt like being the one everyone heaped praise onto was not, actually the better outcome.

For instance, if you got to sit back, relax and watch the poor "hero" get mobbed by paparazzi in a modern setting, you could spin that, in a lot of ways, the famous guy/gal was taking a bullet for you so you could actually proceed unhindered in your badassery.

Myth: The Fallen Lords (an RTS from yesteryear that was amazing) did a really good job of conveying the entire story from the point of view of a guy who was there at every battle. A grunt soldier whose only claim to fame was a remarkable stroke of luck at not getting blown to pieces by his own dwarven sappers. It was very effective.

Frankly, you're skirting on the kind of note we're trying to hit with Hawke. He/She isn't "chosen" by any particular stretch of the word. Hawke is just someone who manages to make it out of the blight. The funny thing is that the frame narrative plays with the fact that Hawke seems like a chosen one by virtue of his/her place in history, and then the game flirts with the idea that maybe all chosen ones were great because they bloody well worked at it.

Modifié par Mike Laidlaw, 09 octobre 2010 - 02:52 .

[Argyle]

I like short bits where I control only my character. In fact, that's how I did the final battle in DAO. A subplot involving only my PC with Morrigan, or perhaps with some ghost in in the Fade (think of Dicken's "Scrooge"), could be pretty amusing. But for a whole fantasy epic? That's probably too much ... I would rather just read the book in that case.

[upsettingshorts]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Watson to the game's Holmes?

That would be bloody awesome.  As long as it's the literary Watson and not the bumbling idiot Watson.

You know, the smart but not as specifically savvy as Holmes Watson.

The definitely into the ladies in contrast to the asexual Holmes, Watson.

The guy who was a war veteran and knew how to use a gun Watson.

I'd love to play that type of character in an RPG, especially given a companion as interesting as Holmes.

Mike Laidlaw wrote...
 The funny thing is that the frame narrative plays with the fact that Hawke seems like a chosen one by virtue of his/her place in history, and then the game flirts with the idea that maybe all chosen ones were great because they bloody well worked at it.

Is Kosh going to teach Captain Sheridan Hawke how to fight legends?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 09 octobre 2010 - 03:08 .

[pinsandivy]

hum...

[SnakeStrike8]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...


Myth: The Fallen Lords (an RTS from yesteryear that was amazing) did a really good job of conveying the entire story from the point of view of a guy who was there at every battle. A grunt soldier whose only claim to fame was a remarkable stroke of luck at not getting blown to pieces by his own dwarven sappers. It was very effective.

I think this was more because you weren't actually controlling that guy, whoever he was (they don't ever reveal his name, do they?). He was really just the storyteller. That was it. In contrast, I liked Myth 3 better because you were playing a registered badass who truly did feel like the saviour of the world- and when you controlled him in battle, Connact really did kick as much ass as everyone thought.
For that reason, I thnk DA 2' stroytelling would benefit more if Hawke was the guy telling everyone about his past, because he did all the stuff he says he did, and people will be awed every time he opens his mouth.
But I'll take the dwarf and Chantry spy instead, if that's all you have available.

[Thatdude88]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Argyle wrote...

Morrigan is a great character and I would like to see her in DA2, but not as a party member. She should be too plot critical for subordination to the protagonist's party management decisions. I would love to do a quest alongside her for old time's sake ... sort of in a Narlen Darkwalk-ish way.

Just brainstorming here...maybe it would be a complete failure, but I wonder if it would ever be possible to have the player control a character who's not the leader of the group. I always wanted to read one of those Fantasy epics from the point of view of random_companion03 instead of the "farmboy with a destiny."

Watson to the game's Holmes? Could work, especially if it was more like being Penny to Inspector Gadget; you'd be the one actually doing all the work, while someone else soaks in the praise. The key, I think, would be ensuring that you felt like being the one everyone heaped praise onto was not, actually the better outcome.

For instance, if you got to sit back, relax and watch the poor "hero" get mobbed by paparazzi in a modern setting, you could spin that, in a lot of ways, the famous guy/gal was taking a bullet for you so you could actually proceed unhindered in your badassery.

Myth: The Fallen Lords (an RTS from yesteryear that was amazing) did a really good job of conveying the entire story from the point of view of a guy who was there at every battle. A grunt soldier whose only claim to fame was a remarkable stroke of luck at not getting blown to pieces by his own dwarven sappers. It was very effective.

Frankly, you're skirting on the kind of note we're trying to hit with Hawke. He/She isn't "chosen" by any particular stretch of the word. Hawke is just someone who manages to make it out of the blight. The funny thing is that the frame narrative plays with the fact that Hawke seems like a chosen one by virtue of his/her place in history, and then the game flirts with the idea that maybe all chosen ones were great because they bloody well worked at it.

I believe white knight chronicles lets you create a character that is not the hero.

[Brockololly]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Argyle wrote...

Morrigan is a great character and I would like to see her in DA2, but not as a party member. She should be too plot critical for subordination to the protagonist's party management decisions. I would love to do a quest alongside her for old time's sake ... sort of in a Narlen Darkwalk-ish way.

Just brainstorming here...maybe it would be a complete failure, but I wonder if it would ever be possible to have the player control a character who's not the leader of the group. I always wanted to read one of those Fantasy epics from the point of view of random_companion03 instead of the "farmboy with a destiny."

Watson to the game's Holmes? Could work, especially if it was more like being Penny to Inspector Gadget; you'd be the one actually doing all the work, while someone else soaks in the praise. The key, I think, would be ensuring that you felt like being the one everyone heaped praise onto was not, actually the better outcome.

For instance, if you got to sit back, relax and watch the poor "hero" get mobbed by paparazzi in a modern setting, you could spin that, in a lot of ways, the famous guy/gal was taking a bullet for you so you could actually proceed unhindered in your badassery.

Myth: The Fallen Lords (an RTS from yesteryear that was amazing) did a really good job of conveying the entire story from the point of view of a guy who was there at every battle. A grunt soldier whose only claim to fame was a remarkable stroke of luck at not getting blown to pieces by his own dwarven sappers. It was very effective.

Frankly, you're skirting on the kind of note we're trying to hit with Hawke. He/She isn't "chosen" by any particular stretch of the word. Hawke is just someone who manages to make it out of the blight. The funny thing is that the frame narrative plays with the fact that Hawke seems like a chosen one by virtue of his/her place in history, and then the game flirts with the idea that maybe all chosen ones were great because they bloody well worked at it.

Depending on how important Morrigan ends up being, a Warden that romances Morrigan and goes through the portal sort of seems like a sidekick to Morrigan and whatever the heck her "plan" is. The Warden is an important person in Thedas so maybe he and Morrigan are more equals, but still, I think it would be neat if you had it such that in Origins it  was basically Morrigan helping the Warden while (if you wanted) in some future DA game, the tables are turned and as Morrigan is doing whatever she is doing, the Warden (as the PC) can be in the support role much as Morrigan was in DAO.

Probably won't happen but I can dream...

Modifié par Brockololly, 09 octobre 2010 - 03:46 .

[Icinix]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

[(SNIPPIES!)

Frankly, you're skirting on the kind of note we're trying to hit with Hawke. He/She isn't "chosen" by any particular stretch of the word. Hawke is just someone who manages to make it out of the blight. The funny thing is that the frame narrative plays with the fact that Hawke seems like a chosen one by virtue of his/her place in history, and then the game flirts with the idea that maybe all chosen ones were great because they bloody well worked at it.

This is one of the big reasons while I'm looking forward to DA2.

I pushed it in a few threads many moons ago (Awakenings release I think..) that I wouldn't mind seeing just an ordinary person, without any special claim to fame or prophecy or anything, just rise up to do great things.

One of the reasons why I like ME so much, theres no prophecy, theres no special force about Shep, they're just someone doing what they do because they can.

It's nice to be an average person achieving awesomeness once in a while.

[HTTP 404]

To mike's post: in all seriousness.



So if our PC Hawke was watson. Would Bethany Hawke be Sherlock? I think she is the true hero in this story. (this allows for a set canon story for the famous hero aka Bethany Hawke).

[Leonia]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Watson to the game's Holmes?

That would be bloody awesome.  As long as it's the literary Watson and not the bumbling idiot Watson.

You know, the smart but not as specifically savvy as Holmes Watson.

The definitely into the ladies in contrast to the asexual Holmes, Watson.

The guy who was a war veteran and knew how to use a gun Watson.

I'd love to play that type of character in an RPG, especially given a companion as interesting as Holmes.

Mike Laidlaw wrote...
 The funny thing is that the frame narrative plays with the fact that Hawke seems like a chosen one by virtue of his/her place in history, and then the game flirts with the idea that maybe all chosen ones were great because they bloody well worked at it.

Is Kosh going to teach Captain Sheridan Hawke how to fight legends?

That's it, where's my TARDIS, I need to play this game.. RIGHT NOW! <3

This is the best news I've heard about DA 2 so far, thanks Mr. Laidlaw!

We've totally done the "you are the chosen one, now embrace your destiny" thing a bajillion times now. When do ordinary people get to rise up to accomplish something great? Apparently now. This is going to be brilliant.

Also kudos to Upsettingshorts for the Babylon 5 reference.

Modifié par leonia42, 09 octobre 2010 - 03:49 .

[Merced256]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

I wonder what that means for the people who decided to wound her in the witch hunt DLC. Will she be there enemy? Perhaps by then she will be more powerful. 

Nope, she's dead. Also her baby never happened, anyway.
(Yeah, I know, I smell a big fat retcon handwave).

God Baby is worth it imo, not because half of my characters chose that route, but because of the potential it has.

[Zenjamin]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Argyle wrote...

Morrigan is a great character and I would like to see her in DA2, but not as a party member. She should be too plot critical for subordination to the protagonist's party management decisions. I would love to do a quest alongside her for old time's sake ... sort of in a Narlen Darkwalk-ish way.

Just brainstorming here...maybe it would be a complete failure, but I wonder if it would ever be possible to have the player control a character who's not the leader of the group. I always wanted to read one of those Fantasy epics from the point of view of random_companion03 instead of the "farmboy with a destiny."

Watson to the game's Holmes? Could work, especially if it was more like being Penny to Inspector Gadget; you'd be the one actually doing all the work, while someone else soaks in the praise. The key, I think, would be ensuring that you felt like being the one everyone heaped praise onto was not, actually the better outcome.

For instance, if you got to sit back, relax and watch the poor "hero" get mobbed by paparazzi in a modern setting, you could spin that, in a lot of ways, the famous guy/gal was taking a bullet for you so you could actually proceed unhindered in your badassery.

Myth: The Fallen Lords (an RTS from yesteryear that was amazing) did a really good job of conveying the entire story from the point of view of a guy who was there at every battle. A grunt soldier whose only claim to fame was a remarkable stroke of luck at not getting blown to pieces by his own dwarven sappers. It was very effective.

Frankly, you're skirting on the kind of note we're trying to hit with Hawke. He/She isn't "chosen" by any particular stretch of the word. Hawke is just someone who manages to make it out of the blight. The funny thing is that the frame narrative plays with the fact that Hawke seems like a chosen one by virtue of his/her place in history, and then the game flirts with the idea that maybe all chosen ones were great because they bloody well worked at it.

Mike, that post was completely off topic.
This thread is about Morrigan.

Stay on topic please.
Sheesh!

[Ryzaki]

aaniadyen wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...But a young heartless stubborn selfish woman who cannon treats like a saint?
No thank you

Huh, I think that's actually what bothers me most about her. It's like she's a Mary Sue type character.

Aye. Not to mention most of her views are so wallbangingly shortsided and your PC's complete inability to call her out on it is facepalm worthy.

I mean I don't care that she pratically is author's pet. But I can't call her a idiot? Or point out the flaws in her logic? Seriously? 

...Though Wynne also has this it's not as irritating because I don't have to deal with her preaching at me from the beginning of the game. And it's slightly less hypocritical than Morrigan is.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 octobre 2010 - 05:11 .

[Mister_Shepard]

Champion of Cornwall? Lmfao... hahahahaa

[Ortaya Alevli]

First Flemeth the Archdemon, now Hawke the Champion of Cornwall.

What's next? Paragon Ruck?

[Esbatty]

Icinix wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

[(SNIPPIES!)

Frankly, you're skirting on the kind of note we're trying to hit with Hawke. He/She isn't "chosen" by any particular stretch of the word. Hawke is just someone who manages to make it out of the blight. The funny thing is that the frame narrative plays with the fact that Hawke seems like a chosen one by virtue of his/her place in history, and then the game flirts with the idea that maybe all chosen ones were great because they bloody well worked at it.

This is one of the big reasons while I'm looking forward to DA2.

I pushed it in a few threads many moons ago (Awakenings release I think..) that I wouldn't mind seeing just an ordinary person, without any special claim to fame or prophecy or anything, just rise up to do great things.

One of the reasons why I like ME so much, theres no prophecy, theres no special force about Shep, they're just someone doing what they do because they can.

It's nice to be an average person achieving awesomeness once in a while.

In Stolen Throne the book seemed to be split between Maric and Loghain's tales, so a good part of the book was also from Loghain's perspective and he was the "regular guy" while his destiny was the screw over Maric in perpetually worse ways nevertheless he helped make Maric's rise to power possible.