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[TheBlackBaron]

Crap, double post. Sorry.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:46 .

[TheBlackBaron]

I apologize in advance for the likely acerbic tone of this post - it's
been a long day for me, and something about this board tends to bring
out of the worst of the General Internet ****wad Theory in me.

[quote]Zenjamin wrote...

[quote]TheBlackBaron wrote...

You
might try talking to her, instead of creating caricatures and being
bitter that every companion is not a sponge soaking up all your Warden's
opinions and regurgitating them back.
[/quote]

I do. 
I
really did think her character had allot of potential... but she really
does end up being single minded, selfish, and one dimentional.
(imo)[/quote]

[quote]asaiasai wrote...
@ TheBlackBaron
Like my self i have tried
to find SOME redeeming quality concerning Morrigan and so far i have
found nothing worth all the drama concerning her character. Since my
very first play through i found nothing her character brought to the
game in any way shape or form except some sort of twisted souless
adversary at war for my own immortal soul, probably because she lacks
one of her own. I have tried on several occasions to involve Morrigan in
the game, warden number 6 brought Morrigan everywhere and followed her
advice every time, seriously what i walked away with was a WTF is
her problem. I then posted my issues with Morrigan, after sorting pages
and pages of  "you suck" replies,  finally a rational person
(shocking that there are a few still around on the Inet) suggested i try
again. So out comes warden number 14 to again try to find some
reddeming quality in Morrigan, i could not stand the play to the point i
almost stopped playing DAO all together as i was so disgusted
with the Morrigan character. Finally someone pointed out that you can
just cut Morrigan loose in Lotharin which i have done in every play
since 15 to the just finished 22, the game has never been better for the
cutting. [/quote]

Alright guys...I'm going to explain something about self-fufilling prophocies.

Most
of the Morrigan haters I come across basically take her exterior
personality and don't expect anything beyond that. If you don't talk to
her at all throughout the game and treat her like dirt, then she's going
to wind up exactly like that. On the other hand, if you make a point to
just follow every single bit of her advice throughout the game, then
again that's all you're going to see out of her. They expect her to
conform to their expectations, they do nothing that might make her
change in a fashion, and lo and behold, she turns out exactly like they
expect. It's a self-defeating exercise to pander to her every will.

Try
this - be nice to her (and yeah, gifts will help - it's kind of a silly
element but it's present for all relationships in this game), and if
she starts questioning decisions, explain to her why you're doing them
(if given the option). Back at camp, in those conversations, make an
effort to learn WHY she is the way she is. Once you're getting up into
the Warm and Friendly stages, THEN you start having some significant
conversations that yeah, can start to cause cracks in her facade and
some shifts in her world view. They're not going to be spoon-fed to you,
and she's not going to have some great epiphany that will have her
dancing in the meadows with Leliana, singing the Maker's praises. You
have to WORK at it. And your payoff will be some very nice conversations
in the latter stages of the game, and a slightly different tone to the
Dark Ritual.

[quote]
@ Bioware
I bought WH on the off chance that i could
actually kill Morrigan as i was hoping, since you decided to allow the
decision sets to carry over from DAO to DA2, to just remove Morrigan
from my story entirely by her death. See i have only 2 characters out of
22 that involved Morrigan, her DR, and the god baby other than that she
is irrelevant. She is so irrelevant that she can be totally
ignored left to rot along side Allistair in camp or she can be removed
from the party entirely on the steps of Lotharin (preffered way to
play). The whole reason i bought WH was i was under the impression i
could kill her finally removing this irrelevant distraction from the
story, but even with WH i was denied the satisfaction of killing her.
When gutted the harpy will fall back into the mirror (convient and cheap
plot armor, you suck) and like a bad penny to return some day to plague
me. Even gutting the tart felt anticlimactic, as i have said numerous
times, like crushing the head of a mewling helpless kitten, so even
there i was robbed of much deserved and anticipated satisfaction (again
you suck). This theft was in part due to the character change presented
in WH, from Morrigan the worthy adversary to Morrigan the helpless "i
have always relied on the kindness of strangers" character worthy of
only pity. I find this character change to be a lame assed attempt to
sell the lemon that is Morrigan by generating a feeling of guilt that to
hate Morrigan is to equate with being a puppy stomping fascist. Cheap
and low kind of like Morrigan so i guess it is apropriate.[/quote]

Witch
Hunt's marketing was astronomically flawed, but one thing it never
promised was the ability to kill her. And sorry, she's isn't an
irrelevant distraction to the story - she's got a critical role to play
in this change that is coming to Thedas, whatever the **** it is, and
this isn't fanboyism, this is Word of God stuff from Gaider and Laidlaw.
Ya ever thing there might be reason you're not suppose to feel gleeful
satisfaction when you stab her in the gut?

And it's Lothering, by the way. Not "Lotharin".

[quote]
I hear rumors of her involvment in future installments of the DA franchise../../../images/forum/emoticons/sleeping.png
and i wince everytime. These rumors involve the canonization of her and
her accursed demon baby, or some kind of fight against Flemeth. The
truth of the matter is i trust Flemeth so much more that Morrigan that i
will be seriously pissed if i am thrust into a position where i have to
support, or god forbid assist Morrigan../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png,
so much so i would rather go buy and play another game.[/quote]

I'll let Mary Kirby speak for herself her.

[quote]Mary Kirby wrote...

[quote]Brockololly wrote...

Yeah,
I really want to know if this "new" Flemeth is simply part of the new
visual design on everything or if there is some sort of in-game
explanation? Given that its concept art though, I believe Gaider posted
in a thread saying that the in game model for Flemeth doesn't look quite
as young and hot as the concept art.

Still, I'm curious if this is just a visual retcon, or what?[/quote]

She's
a thousand-year-old abomination, a shapeshifter who, according to
legend (and according to the grimoire you give Morrigan) seduces mortal
men in order to get herself more daughters. Her daughters are reputed to
be able to kill men with fear.  She's both a seductress and a
hag. She played up the hag aspect for the Warden, "Oh, never mind me,
I'm just a crazy old bat who saved your life! Go on your quest and take
my daughter with you! I'm sure nothing terrible could come from
that..."  But just because the Warden only saw her as the hag, doesn't
mean that's all she was...

I would advise you that in any dealings with Flemeth, be confident of nothing.

[/quote]

And you want to trust this woman?

[quote]
Flemeth was
sold to me by her story, her voice actress (Kate) blowing Claudia
away[/quote]

Um,
yeah...while I enjoyed Kate Mulgrew's performance greatly, she had a
highly limited amount of dialogue compared to Claudia Black, which was
entirely spent in "I'm a batty, devious old woman" mode. There's just
absolutely no way to defend that statement.

[quote]
, and her actions by saving the wardens, such that anyone who is
against Flemeth is against me, and all who assist Morrigan should die
slow and painful deaths prefferably at my hands, I am thinking something
like getting all Howe on thier asses. This is a decision i would hope
you allow me and those like me who think Morrigan is an overrated
and one dimensional character, to make. Flemeth or Morrigan, in the time
it took you to read thier names the decision was already made Flemeth
shall rule and if it requires Morrigan's death, wow a bonus too boot. [/quote]

Again,
I direct you to Mary Kirby's quote above. People who implicity trust
Flemeth are, put simply, asking for it (as are the people who assume
Morrigan has nothing but altruistic intentions, but the latter seem far
less common than the former).

And Howe? Really? Again, that's
such an utterly illogical leap from a cowardly slug of man that
slaughtered and tortured innocents in a manner and volume that would
make him an attractive candidate for the SS to, well...Morrigan
AND Flemeth, really.

I mean, for christ sakes, the man is voiced by Tim Curry.

[quote]
@ everybody who is about to fire up thier flame throwers
If Morrigan looked like Flemeth, not a single I  Morrigan thread would exist, that is because she is a shallow one dimensional character who has only a nice rack to provide any reason to tolerate her nonsense.[/quote]

Right, sex appeal. The common disengenous assertion of Morrigan haters - that her fans only like her because of her admittedly sweet rack. Too bad it doesn't really jell with the significant number of female fans she has, whose Wardens fondly look upon her as a sister.

[quote]
My opinion is based upon the character only as she is presented in the game, i am not discussing books comics or anything else, if it is not in the game it does not exist.[/quote]

The only appearance of Morrigan outside of the game is in that Penny Arcade comic...and she's still in Follow Flemeth mode there, to the max.

[quote]
The game failed to provide in that context a reason as to why someone would care what happens to Morrigan, worm food, Flemeth's new meat suit, both work for me. [/quote]

Through absolutely no fault of the game.

Baron out.

[David Gaider]

marshalleck wrote...
Wow. You realiza that voicing such a strong opinion about a character is only going to confirm in the writers' minds that they did something very, very right when they created Morrigan?

Irony's such a b1tch, isn't it? Such venom for someone he claims not to care about. Tsk.

[asaiasai]

I do not want Bioware to remove the option to involve Flemeth's new meat suit in the story. I under no circumstances will try to tell anyone how to play thier game unless they ask for advice on a situation. I am the type of gamer who thrives on options, the more choices the better, even those i will never excercise (the dark ritual), preferebly going from, this totally sucks to welcome to your no lube dry humping kind of painful choices. I am merely wanting the option to remove Flemeth's new meat suit from the game as i choose when i choose, and for those who find this repulsive, play your own game and stay the hell out of mine. As DAO and DA2 are single player experiences the ability to write my own story with in the provided story is something that has attracted me to the Bioware games. That is really all i have ever been after is the flexibility to not have characters thrown in my face with no choice as to how they are speced, used, or whether i can pass on thier usage altoghether. There should never be a single character who is MORE important than the PC to the game experience, because removing the PC removes me, as such i may as well go watch a movie for all the interaction i have been relegated to.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:57 .

[David Gaider]

asaiasai wrote...
I do not want Bioware to remove the option to involve Flemeth's new meat suit in the story. I under no circumstances will try to tell anyone how to play thier game unless they ask for advice on a situation. I am the type of gamer who thrives on options, the more choices the better, even those i will never excercise (the dark ritual), preferebly going from, this totally sucks to welcome to your no lube dry humping kind of painful choices. I am merely wanting the option to remove Flemeth's new meat suit from the game as i choose when i choose, and for those who find this repulsive, play your own game and stay the hell out of mine. As DAO and DA2 are single player experiences the ability to write my own story with in the provided story is something that has attracted me to the Bioware games. That is really all i have ever been after is the flexibility to not have characters thrown in my face with no choice as to how they are speced, used, or whether i can pass on thier usage altoghether. There should never be a single character who is MORE important than the PC to the game experience, because removing the PC removes me, as such i may as well go and watch a movie for all the interaction i have been relegated to.

Well!

I find it interesting that you assume when we say "Morrigan's story isn't done" that this means she will automatically assume Cosmic Importance that eclipses the PC and so forth-- or that we would simply ignore previous decisions regarding her.

You're right about one thing, though. You can't simply write her out of your story. Just like you can't write out any character we choose to include-- she will play a part in the future, and that's all we're really saying. Rage away if you must.

Modifié par David Gaider, 10 octobre 2010 - 07:01 .

[Face of Evil]

If anything, I found my friendship with Morrigan to be one of the most cherished relationships I had in the game.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:59 .

[Zenjamin]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Try
this - be nice to her (and yeah, gifts will help - it's kind of a silly
element but it's present for all relationships in this game), and if
she starts questioning decisions, explain to her why you're doing them
(if given the option). Back at camp, in those conversations, make an
effort to learn WHY she is the way she is. Once you're getting up into
the Warm and Friendly stages, THEN you start having some significant
conversations that yeah, can start to cause cracks in her facade and
some shifts in her world view. They're not going to be spoon-fed to you,
and she's not going to have some great epiphany that will have her
dancing in the meadows with Leliana, singing the Maker's praises. You
have to WORK at it. And your payoff will be some very nice conversations
in the latter stages of the game, and a slightly different tone to the
Dark Ritual.

This is what I did.
I was never an outright ass to anyone in my party.

And again, Morrigan had so much potential, that I was convinced that I would see something like I saw with Jack in ME2.

No such luck.
Sorry, she did not change her black/white self centric view of the world in the game. Yes, her tone began to shift abit. but nothing significant or meaningful.

Thinking otherwise, is hopeful thinking IMO. The most profound effect you can have on her, is giving her your magic man seed.... But thats about it.

Again, im not saying she needed to agree with me always, im fine with a character sticking to their guns.... if thye have a multifaceted personality at least.


But I do respect your opinions and you have just as much a right to like her as I do to dislike her. And if bioware does it right, we can both be happy in DA2.
You can see your warden walk out of some portal hand in hand with morgian and some little....... thing....

And I can battle the vengeful harpy who has been twisted (even further) by hate.

[TheBlackBaron]

Zenjamin wrote...
No such luck.
Sorry, she did not change her black/white self centric view of the world in the game. Yes, her tone began to shift abit. but nothing significant or meaningful.

Thinking otherwise, is hopeful thinking IMO. The most profound effect you can have on her, is giving her your magic man seed.... But thats about it.

Again, im not saying she needed to agree with me always, im fine with a character sticking to their guns.... if thye have a multifaceted personality at least.

At this point I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree and say we have different interpretations. Self centric? Sure, I'll agree to that, and by the end that's really only been expanded to include the Warden. But black and white she is far from, and many of the conversations (and VA directions from the toolset, but I can hardly expect most people to have looked at those - even I only have what Terra has posted) do point towards another layer that she actively works at suppressing, partly out of Flemeth's teachings and partly out of her own fear and insecurity, and the Warden eventually can see a small part of providing he makes the attempts.

And if there is a long-term plan in place for the series (something I'm skeptical of at times, but then, I admittedly don't have the perspective of a lead writer such as David G.), I would imagine it was designed so that this wouldn't be a process that could be accomplished over the course of a single game.

But I do respect your opinions and you have just as much a right to like her as I do to dislike her. And if bioware does it right, we can both be happy in DA2.
You can see your warden walk out of some portal hand in hand with morgian and some little....... thing....

And I can battle the vengeful harpy who has been twisted (even further) by hate.

What, weren't you listening? The only valid vision for DA3 and beyond is mine. Everybody else is just wrong. Including BioWare.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 10 octobre 2010 - 07:32 .

[Esbatty]

Cosmic importance, Morrigan... Good, good.

[asaiasai]

David Gaider wrote...

asaiasai wrote...
I do not want Bioware to remove the option to involve Flemeth's new meat suit in the story. I under no circumstances will try to tell anyone how to play thier game unless they ask for advice on a situation. I am the type of gamer who thrives on options, the more choices the better, even those i will never excercise (the dark ritual), preferebly going from, this totally sucks to welcome to your no lube dry humping kind of painful choices. I am merely wanting the option to remove Flemeth's new meat suit from the game as i choose when i choose, and for those who find this repulsive, play your own game and stay the hell out of mine. As DAO and DA2 are single player experiences the ability to write my own story with in the provided story is something that has attracted me to the Bioware games. That is really all i have ever been after is the flexibility to not have characters thrown in my face with no choice as to how they are speced, used, or whether i can pass on thier usage altoghether. There should never be a single character who is MORE important than the PC to the game experience, because removing the PC removes me, as such i may as well go and watch a movie for all the interaction i have been relegated to.

Well!

I find it interesting that you assume when we say "Morrigan's story isn't done" that this means she will automatically assume Cosmic Importance that eclipses the PC and so forth-- or that we would simply ignore previous decisions regarding her.

You're right about one thing, though. You can't simply write her out of your story. Just like you can't write out any character we choose to include-- she will play a part in the future, and that's all we're really saying. Rage away if you must.

I am not raging, i love the game i have 22 completed characters. I have every DLC except golems. I have purchased a half a dozen copies of DAO for friends and family. DAO in my 15 plus years of PC gaming is a breath of fresh air. More than anything else i want to ensure that by voicing my concerns about those subtle little things in the game that make it an enjoyable experience, the future incarnations will be as well. DAO is such an enjoyable experience that even after 22 plays i can still on occasion sit back and go "wow i have never seen that before". I can be a harsh critic, i can be inflammitory, i can be calous, i can be crass, i can even be disappointed, but i am still a fan and a customer, and i want your success because it is my success as well. There are only a few games on the market that provide this depth and moral ambiguity.

As far as the Morrigan character is concerned she is irrelevant to the story of DAO unless one chooses to involve her in the story, that is because you have made it so by allowing the player to refuse her. By romancing her and doing the dark ritual Morrigan becomes a central part of the story, my point is what happens if you choose not to. What happens if as i do you find her so annoying that she is sent packing in Lotharin, and the DR is refused out of hand? I have tried to give the Morrigan character as she is presented in the game some benefit of the doubt. But i have never liked her character, she is definatly a character i love to hate, that in itself is a credit to the strength of her writing and her actress. But yes i do find her to be most annoying, and will not be happy if i am thrust into the position where i have to assist her, or involve myself with her, because i would find this to be an immersion breaker. To the point, involving Morrigan in any aspect of DAO is my immersion breaker, because i would never allow this type of person, as she is presented in the game, in my life under any circumstance. NONE.

So yea i get a bit wiggy when the game i enjoy, the story i am interested in, seems to drift down the "your stuck with this b!tch" path. When the game seems to drift away from a more open ended choice filled experience into one that becomes a linear trot down points A, B, C, D here is your trophy moment roll credits. I do understand that there has to be some defining limiting parameters to the game as you would not be able to provide a truly open ended experience as the variable to cover would be to many. I am just hoping that by being here every night, voicing my minority and unpopular opinions, that those of us who find Morrigan annoying will not get crushed under the Morrigan gush. Or if nothing else maybe the weakness of the Morrigan character's personality can be addressed in the future. Not a complete and total 180 as witch hunt seemed to push her character, but by providing me with a reason why i should care about the Morrigan character more so than as some obnoxious tart i knocked up so i did not have to die doing my duty.  

Thank you for your time Mr. Gaider you guys do great work, that is a given by the tempo of some of the discussions on these boards. I would also like to say that the fact that you have taken the time to provide feed back even if you do not agree with the player is a major reason why i am still a loyal customer. I hope that i was conciliatory enough in my explanation that what was percieved as rage will be viewed as passion instead. 

Asai
 

[AlexXIV]

asaiasai wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

asaiasai wrote...
I do not want Bioware to remove the option to involve Flemeth's new meat suit in the story. I under no circumstances will try to tell anyone how to play thier game unless they ask for advice on a situation. I am the type of gamer who thrives on options, the more choices the better, even those i will never excercise (the dark ritual), preferebly going from, this totally sucks to welcome to your no lube dry humping kind of painful choices. I am merely wanting the option to remove Flemeth's new meat suit from the game as i choose when i choose, and for those who find this repulsive, play your own game and stay the hell out of mine. As DAO and DA2 are single player experiences the ability to write my own story with in the provided story is something that has attracted me to the Bioware games. That is really all i have ever been after is the flexibility to not have characters thrown in my face with no choice as to how they are speced, used, or whether i can pass on thier usage altoghether. There should never be a single character who is MORE important than the PC to the game experience, because removing the PC removes me, as such i may as well go and watch a movie for all the interaction i have been relegated to.

Well!

I find it interesting that you assume when we say "Morrigan's story isn't done" that this means she will automatically assume Cosmic Importance that eclipses the PC and so forth-- or that we would simply ignore previous decisions regarding her.

You're right about one thing, though. You can't simply write her out of your story. Just like you can't write out any character we choose to include-- she will play a part in the future, and that's all we're really saying. Rage away if you must.

I am not raging, i love the game i have 22 completed characters. I have every DLC except golems. I have purchased a half a dozen copies of DAO for friends and family. DAO in my 15 plus years of PC gaming is a breath of fresh air. More than anything else i want to ensure that by voicing my concerns about those subtle little things in the game that make it an enjoyable experience, the future incarnations will be as well. DAO is such an enjoyable experience that even after 22 plays i can still on occasion sit back and go "wow i have never seen that before". I can be a harsh critic, i can be inflammitory, i can be calous, i can be crass, i can even be disappointed, but i am still a fan and a customer, and i want your success because it is my success as well. There are only a few games on the market that provide this depth and moral ambiguity.

As far as the Morrigan character is concerned she is irrelevant to the story of DAO unless one chooses to involve her in the story, that is because you have made it so by allowing the player to refuse her. By romancing her and doing the dark ritual Morrigan becomes a central part of the story, my point is what happens if you choose not to. What happens if as i do you find her so annoying that she is sent packing in Lotharin, and the DR is refused out of hand? I have tried to give the Morrigan character as she is presented in the game some benefit of the doubt. But i have never liked her character, she is definatly a character i love to hate, that in itself is a credit to the strength of her writing and her actress. But yes i do find her to be most annoying, and will not be happy if i am thrust into the position where i have to assist her, or involve myself with her, because i would find this to be an immersion breaker. To the point, involving Morrigan in any aspect of DAO is my immersion breaker, because i would never allow this type of person, as she is presented in the game, in my life under any circumstance. NONE.

So yea i get a bit wiggy when the game i enjoy, the story i am interested in, seems to drift down the "your stuck with this b!tch" path. When the game seems to drift away from a more open ended choice filled experience into one that becomes a linear trot down points A, B, C, D here is your trophy moment roll credits. I do understand that there has to be some defining limiting parameters to the game as you would not be able to provide a truly open ended experience as the variable to cover would be to many. I am just hoping that by being here every night, voicing my minority and unpopular opinions, that those of us who find Morrigan annoying will not get crushed under the Morrigan gush. Or if nothing else maybe the weakness of the Morrigan character's personality can be addressed in the future. Not a complete and total 180 as witch hunt seemed to push her character, but by providing me with a reason why i should care about the Morrigan character more so than as some obnoxious tart i knocked up so i did not have to die doing my duty.  

Thank you for your time Mr. Gaider you guys do great work, that is a given by the tempo of some of the discussions on these boards. I would also like to say that the fact that you have taken the time to provide feed back even if you do not agree with the player is a major reason why i am still a loyal customer. I hope that i was conciliatory enough in my explanation that what was percieved as rage will be viewed as passion instead. 

Asai
 

Well I found Leliana and Wynne much more annoying with their preachy hypocrite speeches. They both killed many people, not only monsters and darkspawn and still act like life is a fairy tale. But I am still not argueing that Bioware should scratch them, because I know other people like them. I don't know where the 'messed up' thing comes from. Morrigan was raised by Flemeth. She 25, so barely adult, with hardly any noteworthy social experience. And considering that she is quite civil. If Bioware made only shallow characters so that superficial, narrowminded people like you don't get annoyed then alot of people would really be disappointed.

[Tiax Rules All]

Esbatty wrote...

Cosmic importance, Morrigan... Good, good.

awesome

[Morrigans God son]

asaiasai wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...

steelfire_dragon wrote...

really now what was wrong with her??

she's no Jaheira sure but she was akewl kind of character in a what the hell is wrong with you kind of way.

And Hannibal Lecter a chool guy too. In a "WTF is wrong with you you psychopathic monster from hell" Sort of way..
Just like George W bush was a brilliant and eloquent speaker, in a "How do you retarted and bumbeling enough to embody both  jock and souther trailer trash at the same time" Sort of way.


Morigan being messed up doesnt make her cool or interesting. It just makes her messed up.
If she had the capacity for change or growth or evolution, then her messed up past would make her more interesting.
As it stands, her character has a 1 dimentional personality, and 3 dimentional brests.

And the later is the real reason people like her.
At least I hope so. If people are really attracted to a "Survivial and power are the only things that matter. So bash that baby kitten against a tree, or you are WEAK!!!" personality, then there is little hope for the world.

(imo)

You might try talking to her, instead of creating caricatures and being bitter that every companion is not a sponge soaking up all your Warden's opinions and regurgitating them back.

@ Zenjamin

Nice very nice  i am so glad i am not the only one it seems to think Morrigan is over rated wilder trash, and am looking foward to the time when by either a knife to the belly or complete disregard by the player, Morrigan's story can finally be over.  

@ TheBlackBaron
Like my self i have tried to find SOME redeeming quality concerning Morrigan and so far i have found nothing worth all the drama concerning her character. Since my very first play through i found nothing her character brought to the game in any way shape or form except some sort of twisted souless adversary at war for my own immortal soul, probably because she lacks one of her own. I have tried on several occasions to involve Morrigan in the game, warden number 6 brought Morrigan everywhere and followed her advice every time, seriously what i walked away with was a WTF is her problem. I then posted my issues with Morrigan, after sorting pages and pages of  "you suck" replies,  finally a rational person (shocking that there are a few still around on the Inet) suggested i try again. So out comes warden number 14 to again try to find some reddeming quality in Morrigan, i could not stand the play to the point i almost stopped playing DAO all together as i was so disgusted with the Morrigan character. Finally someone pointed out that you can just cut Morrigan loose in Lotharin which i have done in every play since 15 to the just finished 22, the game has never been better for the cutting.


@ Bioware
I bought WH on the off chance that i could actually kill Morrigan as i was hoping, since you decided to allow the decision sets to carry over from DAO to DA2, to just remove Morrigan from my story entirely by her death. See i have only 2 characters out of 22 that involved Morrigan, her DR, and the god baby other than that she is irrelevant. She is so irrelevant that she can be totally ignored left to rot along side Allistair in camp or she can be removed from the party entirely on the steps of Lotharin (preffered way to play). The whole reason i bought WH was i was under the impression i could kill her finally removing this irrelevant distraction from the story, but even with WH i was denied the satisfaction of killing her. When gutted the harpy will fall back into the mirror (convient and cheap plot armor, you suck) and like a bad penny to return some day to plague me. Even gutting the tart felt anticlimactic, as i have said numerous times, like crushing the head of a mewling helpless kitten, so even there i was robbed of much deserved and anticipated satisfaction (again you suck). This theft was in part due to the character change presented in WH, from Morrigan the worthy adversary to Morrigan the helpless "i have always relied on the kindness of strangers" character worthy of only pity. I find this character change to be a lame assed attempt to sell the lemon that is Morrigan by generating a feeling of guilt that to hate Morrigan is to equate with being a puppy stomping fascist. Cheap and low kind of like Morrigan so i guess it is apropriate.

I hear rumors of her involvment in future installments of the DA franchise and i wince everytime. These rumors involve the canonization of her and her accursed demon baby, or some kind of fight against Flemeth. The truth of the matter is i trust Flemeth so much more that Morrigan that i will be seriously pissed if i am thrust into a position where i have to support, or god forbid assist Morrigan, so much so i would rather go buy and play another game. Flemeth was sold to me by her story, her voice actress (Kate) blowing Claudia away, and her actions by saving the wardens, such that anyone who is against Flemeth is against me, and all who assist Morrigan should die slow and painful deaths prefferably at my hands, I am thinking something like getting all Howe on thier asses. This is a decision i would hope you allow me and those like me who think Morrigan is an overrated and one dimensional character, to make. Flemeth or Morrigan, in the time it took you to read thier names the decision was already made Flemeth shall rule and if it requires Morrigan's death, wow a bonus too boot.

@ everybody who is about to fire up thier flame throwers
If Morrigan looked like Flemeth, not a single I  Morrigan thread would exist, that is because she is a shallow one dimensional character who has only a nice rack to provide any reason to tolerate her nonsense. My opinion is based upon the character only as she is presented in the game, i am not discussing books comics or anything else, if it is not in the game it does not exist. The game failed to provide in that context a reason as to why someone would care what happens to Morrigan, worm food, Flemeth's new meat suit, both work for me. As a mattter of fact i like "Flemeth's new meat suit" so much that from now on i will reffer to Morrigan as "Flemeth's new meat suit" in the hopes that it happens, Morrigan's body with Flemeth driving, now that is something worth the drama.

Asai

Asai or whatever your name is. You really take character hate to a whole new level. Nearly every topic that is about Morrigan you stick your nose in, and say how much you hate her. You would think that Morrigan came to your house and kicked your puppy, and stole your mum.
If you hate her so much why do you keep repeating yourself? I don't like Zevran, but I don't leave hate messages in every Zevran thread. I respect the people that support Zevran, and I hope they get what their looking for in DA2.

You think we like Morrigan because she has a nice rack? Your wrong. I like Morrigan because, of her personality. She starts of with guarded walls and with time that crumbles, and she is an interesting character along with Flemeth. There is so much that we don't know about her too, that she refuses to tell you.

[Morrigans God son]

Morrigans God son wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Zenjamin wrote...

steelfire_dragon wrote...

really now what was wrong with her??

she's no Jaheira sure but she was akewl kind of character in a what the hell is wrong with you kind of way.

And Hannibal Lecter a chool guy too. In a "WTF is wrong with you you psychopathic monster from hell" Sort of way..
Just like George W bush was a brilliant and eloquent speaker, in a "How do you retarted and bumbeling enough to embody both  jock and souther trailer trash at the same time" Sort of way.


Morigan being messed up doesnt make her cool or interesting. It just makes her messed up.
If she had the capacity for change or growth or evolution, then her messed up past would make her more interesting.
As it stands, her character has a 1 dimentional personality, and 3 dimentional brests.

And the later is the real reason people like her.
At least I hope so. If people are really attracted to a "Survivial and power are the only things that matter. So bash that baby kitten against a tree, or you are WEAK!!!" personality, then there is little hope for the world.

(imo)

You might try talking to her, instead of creating caricatures and being bitter that every companion is not a sponge soaking up all your Warden's opinions and regurgitating them back.

@ Zenjamin

Nice very nice  i am so glad i am not the only one it seems to think Morrigan is over rated wilder trash, and am looking foward to the time when by either a knife to the belly or complete disregard by the player, Morrigan's story can finally be over.  

@ TheBlackBaron
Like my self i have tried to find SOME redeeming quality concerning Morrigan and so far i have found nothing worth all the drama concerning her character. Since my very first play through i found nothing her character brought to the game in any way shape or form except some sort of twisted souless adversary at war for my own immortal soul, probably because she lacks one of her own. I have tried on several occasions to involve Morrigan in the game, warden number 6 brought Morrigan everywhere and followed her advice every time, seriously what i walked away with was a WTF is her problem. I then posted my issues with Morrigan, after sorting pages and pages of  "you suck" replies,  finally a rational person (shocking that there are a few still around on the Inet) suggested i try again. So out comes warden number 14 to again try to find some reddeming quality in Morrigan, i could not stand the play to the point i almost stopped playing DAO all together as i was so disgusted with the Morrigan character. Finally someone pointed out that you can just cut Morrigan loose in Lotharin which i have done in every play since 15 to the just finished 22, the game has never been better for the cutting.


@ Bioware
I bought WH on the off chance that i could actually kill Morrigan as i was hoping, since you decided to allow the decision sets to carry over from DAO to DA2, to just remove Morrigan from my story entirely by her death. See i have only 2 characters out of 22 that involved Morrigan, her DR, and the god baby other than that she is irrelevant. She is so irrelevant that she can be totally ignored left to rot along side Allistair in camp or she can be removed from the party entirely on the steps of Lotharin (preffered way to play). The whole reason i bought WH was i was under the impression i could kill her finally removing this irrelevant distraction from the story, but even with WH i was denied the satisfaction of killing her. When gutted the harpy will fall back into the mirror (convient and cheap plot armor, you suck) and like a bad penny to return some day to plague me. Even gutting the tart felt anticlimactic, as i have said numerous times, like crushing the head of a mewling helpless kitten, so even there i was robbed of much deserved and anticipated satisfaction (again you suck). This theft was in part due to the character change presented in WH, from Morrigan the worthy adversary to Morrigan the helpless "i have always relied on the kindness of strangers" character worthy of only pity. I find this character change to be a lame assed attempt to sell the lemon that is Morrigan by generating a feeling of guilt that to hate Morrigan is to equate with being a puppy stomping fascist. Cheap and low kind of like Morrigan so i guess it is apropriate.

I hear rumors of her involvment in future installments of the DA franchise and i wince everytime. These rumors involve the canonization of her and her accursed demon baby, or some kind of fight against Flemeth. The truth of the matter is i trust Flemeth so much more that Morrigan that i will be seriously pissed if i am thrust into a position where i have to support, or god forbid assist Morrigan, so much so i would rather go buy and play another game. Flemeth was sold to me by her story, her voice actress (Kate) blowing Claudia away, and her actions by saving the wardens, such that anyone who is against Flemeth is against me, and all who assist Morrigan should die slow and painful deaths prefferably at my hands, I am thinking something like getting all Howe on thier asses. This is a decision i would hope you allow me and those like me who think Morrigan is an overrated and one dimensional character, to make. Flemeth or Morrigan, in the time it took you to read thier names the decision was already made Flemeth shall rule and if it requires Morrigan's death, wow a bonus too boot.

@ everybody who is about to fire up thier flame throwers
If Morrigan looked like Flemeth, not a single I  Morrigan thread would exist, that is because she is a shallow one dimensional character who has only a nice rack to provide any reason to tolerate her nonsense. My opinion is based upon the character only as she is presented in the game, i am not discussing books comics or anything else, if it is not in the game it does not exist. The game failed to provide in that context a reason as to why someone would care what happens to Morrigan, worm food, Flemeth's new meat suit, both work for me. As a mattter of fact i like "Flemeth's new meat suit" so much that from now on i will reffer to Morrigan as "Flemeth's new meat suit" in the hopes that it happens, Morrigan's body with Flemeth driving, now that is something worth the drama.

Asai

Asai or whatever your name is. You really take character hate to a whole new level. Nearly every topic that is about Morrigan you stick your nose in, and say how much you hate her. You would think that Morrigan came to your house and kicked your puppy, and stole your mum.
If you hate her so much why do you keep repeating yourself? I don't like Zevran, but I don't leave hate messages in every Zevran thread. I respect the people that support Zevran, and I hope they get what their looking for in DA2.

You think we like Morrigan because she has a nice rack? You're wrong. I like Morrigan because, of her personality. She starts of with guarded walls and with time that crumbles, and she is an interesting character along with Flemeth. There is so much that we don't know about her too, that she refuses to tell you.

[Icinix]

There are some things when you see the side of Morrigan that showcases a little side of...human I guess.

For example, when she asks about your mother, and your reply is ' I love her, what more do you need to know?' Morrigans reaction is certainly not that of a cold hearted shrew.

I suppose like Jack, a lot of people dismiss her as being a **** and therefore never get to see the side that they hide away, and makes other people fall for them.



If someone hates / likes a character thats fine, but please don't insult other people by claiming they only like them for their looks. Thats just...well...it's just insulting, and totally incorrect.

[Argyle]

"no lube dry humping kind of painful choices" ... ?



DA2 is going to be an epic mature-audience-only game if it has a lot of those!



Morrigan is a great character for more reasons than I can post. And funny enough, I played a morally good character and never really ran into any trouble with her. I think it had something to do with my Gray Warden stamina, which impressed her on quite a few occasions.

[jcrusader]

The majority of people love Morrigan.

[DarthCaine]

I thought devs said Claudia Black isn't doing any voice work for DA2, but they could have been teasing us.

Then again, devs never said Morrigan will definitely be in DA2, just that her story isn't done. For all you know, she might not be back until Dragon Age 4

Modifié par DarthCaine, 10 octobre 2010 - 02:21 .

[Sorrel]

WHAT I, FFFFFF no not the Fade god damn.

I loathe that section of the game harder than, I don't know something really hard.

[Icinix]

DarthCaine wrote...

I thought devs said Claudia Black isn't doing any voice work for DA2, but they could have been teasing us.

Then again, devs never said Morrigan will definitely be in DA2, just that her story isn't done. For all you know, she might not be back until Dragon Age 4

  If this is true, Morrigan better not be in DA2, because if there is one thing I HATE more than broken quests, it's changed VO's! < insert angry face >

[Morrigans God son]

Icinix wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

I thought devs said Claudia Black isn't doing any voice work for DA2, but they could have been teasing us.

Then again, devs never said Morrigan will definitely be in DA2, just that her story isn't done. For all you know, she might not be back until Dragon Age 4

  If this is true, Morrigan better not be in DA2, because if there is one thing I HATE more than broken quests, it's changed VO's!

I agree with you. If any main character has a new voice actor in DA2 or DA3. I will storm back to the shop demanding a refund. Alistair might be making a small appearence in DA2 anyway. Steve Valentine was hired again. Swooping is bad. There has been no news about Claudia Black though.

[Morrigans God son]

Sorrel wrote...

WHAT I, FFFFFF no not the Fade god damn.
I loathe that section of the game harder than, I don't know something really hard.

Everytime we enter the fade, Alistair gains a grey hair.

[marshalleck]

Icinix wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

I thought devs said Claudia Black isn't doing any voice work for DA2, but they could have been teasing us.

Then again, devs never said Morrigan will definitely be in DA2, just that her story isn't done. For all you know, she might not be back until Dragon Age 4

  If this is true, Morrigan better not be in DA2, because if there is one thing I HATE more than broken quests, it's changed VO's!

I'd be really upset if that happened because Claudia Black did such an amazing job of bringing Morrigan to life, nobody else could possibly come close to getting Morrigan right but her. I've been a Claudia Black fanboy since Aeryn Sun though, so I could be biased. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 10 octobre 2010 - 02:47 .

[Behindyounow]

Important role =/= in the game.



Isn't in confirmed Claudia black isn't doing in VA for DA2? I think that pretty much guarantees she wont be in.