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[Ryzaki]

UberDuber wrote..

You expect BioWare to add more dialog, just so YOU think the characters are smarter?

And you can attempt to kill Morrigan in Witch Hunt. She just doesn't stay dead. Also I wanted to kill Teagan, Arl Eamon, Anora, Goldanna, Wade ect. I demand the right to kill these characters! Boo hoo. Bottom line...is you can't expect to kill off every character, if BioWare has plans for them.

Monsters or creatures, are different they hold no dialog themselves, they were meant for killing.

Actually it does. In the future BioWare can only give you so much Alistair now, because some players wed Anora & killed him off.

------> my post

------> your head

I said more dialogue didn't make a character smarter. ...Did you read before responding? 

And NO I'm not paying 7 bucks to attempt to stab her when she doesn't stay dead. Especially considering no one else has to do the same for the rest of the companions.

Like...seriously man? You're comparing killing someone who is a valid threat to you to killing someone that you just meet? What's next you're gonna cry about not being able to kill random passerbye NPCs? 

Seriously? 



LOL at you making fun of extremist fangirls when you're their exact opposite.

The bolded applies for Morrigan too! Especially considering the DR and how you treated her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:13 .

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

UberDuber wrote..

You expect BioWare to add more dialog, just so YOU think the characters are smarter?

And you can attempt to kill Morrigan in Witch Hunt. She just doesn't stay dead. Also I wanted to kill Teagan, Arl Eamon, Anora, Goldanna, Wade ect. I demand the right to kill these characters! Boo hoo. Bottom line...is you can't expect to kill off every character, if BioWare has plans for them.

Monsters or creatures, are different they hold no dialog themselves, they were meant for killing.

Actually it does. In the future BioWare can only give you so much Alistair now, because some players wed Anora & killed him off.

------> my post

------> your head

I said more dialogue didn't make a character smarter. ...Did you read before responding? 

And NO I'm not paying 7 bucks to attempt to stab her when she doesn't stay dead. Especially considering no one else has to do the same for the rest of the companions.

Like...seriously man? You're comparing killing someone who is a valid threat to you to killing someone that you just meet? What's next you're gonna cry about not being able to kill random passerbye NPCs? 

Seriously? 



LOL at you making fun of extremist fangirls when you're they're exact opposite.

Since when does it matter if someone is a threat to kill them and when did Morrigan become one?

[Ryzaki]

AlexXIV wrote...

Since when does it matter if someone is a threat to kill them and when did Morrigan become one?

You're a grey warden your job is to stop the blight. She's trying to save a archedemon's soul. That's enough of a threat right there.

And she gives you a thinly veiled threat after you refuse her as she leaves. Which makes it even more facepalm worthy when you cross your arms and pout like a five year old instead of attacking her.

[NKKKK]

40K?...anyone?

[David Gaider]

AlexXIV wrote...
I swear I just though I wish David Gaider would post in this thread and wondered why you didn't yet. Thanks so much

I just find it interesting how some people will imagine the worst case scenario with how we could use Morrigan in the future, then react as if that must be true and rage about it.

I can think of numerous ways a character's story could be continued without having them show up in the future and go "Hi! You don't know me, but I'm X!" and force the player to take them into the party or ignore past decisions you'll be importing. I don't know, but I think we can do better than that. Either way people will have to wait and see... Morrigan's story will be relevant in the future. That's the only thing you can count on.

Modifié par David Gaider, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:14 .

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...
As for everyone else, we've not said one way or the other how Morrigan's story will continue or if she'll even appear in DA2.

Well, it would be rather underwhelming if her story continued without the Warden, given how Witch Hunt could end. And I do believe you mentioned in one of the PAX chats that there was no Claudia Black VO in DA2, so unless you either committed blasphemy and got a new voice actor for Morrigan or she appears only in a voiceless cameo, I'd wager its a safe bet Morrigan at best gets a mention of two, but won't be making any significant appearance in DA2.

Thus why I'm much more excited about DA3 or whatever make believe game that doesn't currently exist where Morrigan/the Warden/OGB's stories continue.

David Gaider wrote...
Stop leaping to conclusions and you'll be a lot healthier.

I'm afraid you guys will have to stop giving us cliffhanger after cliffhanger and heaping questions upon questions with regard to Morrigan before thats going to happen.

David Gaider wrote...
Morrigan's story will be relevant in the future. That's the only thing you can count on.

But its via the WARDEN, especially after Witch Hunt that gives Morrigan's story any of BIoWare's fabled "emotional engagement." Just in case I haven't been clear on that point yet... you know, that the Warden should come back with Morrigan and OGB out of Mirror World and not leave the Warden to Maric's vanishing fate.

Modifié par Brockololly, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:19 .

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Since when does it matter if someone is a threat to kill them and when did Morrigan become one?

You're a grey warden your job is to stop the blight. She's trying to save a archedemon's soul. That's enough of a threat right there.

And she gives you a thinly veiled threat after you refuse her as she leaves. Which makes it even more facepalm worthy when you cross your arms and pout like a five year old instead of attacking her.

Maybe you should get your facts straight. She is trying to save the soul of an Old God. She helps you defeat it, and she offers to save your live or Alistairs or Loghains, depending on your choices. She helps you from start and never does anything to stop you no matter what your decisions are. The only thing you can hold against her is that she leaves you if you don't agree to the DR. Which is not nice, but not more evil than Alistair leaving you if you refuse to murder Loghain. If you assume great evil comming from the DR it is your opinion. There is no proof that it is a bad thing though. I even supported the US and not trusting Morrigan before Awakenings and Witch Hunt. But that was only because I didn't know some things, for exampel that it is possible that a darkspawn can be born with a soul (like the Architect) and act more like a Grey Warden than a darkspawn. So ... a lot of things are possible.

[UberDuber]

Ryzaki wrote...

UberDuber wrote..

You expect BioWare to add more dialog, just so YOU think the characters are smarter?

And you can attempt to kill Morrigan in Witch Hunt. She just doesn't stay dead. Also I wanted to kill Teagan, Arl Eamon, Anora, Goldanna, Wade ect. I demand the right to kill these characters! Boo hoo. Bottom line...is you can't expect to kill off every character, if BioWare has plans for them.

Monsters or creatures, are different they hold no dialog themselves, they were meant for killing.

Actually it does. In the future BioWare can only give you so much Alistair now, because some players wed Anora & killed him off.

------> my post

------> your head

I said more dialogue didn't make a character smarter. ...Did you read before responding? 

And NO I'm not paying 7 bucks to attempt to stab her when she doesn't stay dead. Especially considering no one else has to do the same for the rest of the companions.

Like...seriously man? You're comparing killing someone who is a valid threat to you to killing someone that you just meet? What's next you're gonna cry about not being able to kill random passerbye NPCs? 

Seriously? 



LOL at you making fun of extremist fangirls when you're they're exact opposite.

The bolded applies for Morrigan too! Especially considering the DR and how you treated her.

Well your the one, who is demanding killing rights here, not me. If you read my post before I said "I would rather keep characters alive, it adds more to the story."

Once again the bottom line is. BioWare isn't going to let you kill off all their character just because you demand it. Sorry if you get heated up or whatever, but at the end of the day they are not going to listen to a few screams on the forums, and that applies to you and me. If BioWare kept Morrigan alive for another reason you'll just have to accept that & roll with it. Or don't ...it matters not to me or BioWare I'm sure.

Alistair is still more likely, the Dark ritual even applies to Alistair.

[Ryzaki]

AlexXIV wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Since when does it matter if someone is a threat to kill them and when did Morrigan become one?

You're a grey warden your job is to stop the blight. She's trying to save a archedemon's soul. That's enough of a threat right there.

And she gives you a thinly veiled threat after you refuse her as she leaves. Which makes it even more facepalm worthy when you cross your arms and pout like a five year old instead of attacking her.

Maybe you should get your facts straight. She is trying to save the soul of an Old God. She helps you defeat it, and she offers to save your live or Alistairs or Loghains, depending on your choices. She helps you from start and never does anything to stop you no matter what your decisions are. The only thing you can hold against her is that she leaves you if you don't agree to the DR. Which is not nice, but not more evil than Alistair leaving you if you refuse to murder Loghain. If you assume great evil comming from the DR it is your opinion. There is no proof that it is a bad thing though. I even supported the US and not trusting Morrigan before Awakenings and Witch Hunt. But that was only because I didn't know some things, for exampel that it is possible that a darkspawn can be born with a soul (like the Architect) and act more like a Grey Warden than a darkspawn. So ... a lot of things are possible.

Old gods who turn into Archedemons when corrupted.

Let's resurrect something that can turn into that thing we just wasted thousands of lives defeating.

Edit: And the old gods weren't exactly innocent to begin with so...

My facts? They're fine.

Their's no proof that its a good thing either. Actually even if it *is* a good thing it can still go wrong and result in another blight.

Like I said. Both views are valid. I just wish people would stop pretending there view is more valid.

I'm not saying that "OMG you shouldn't be able to do the DR!!!!"

I'm just saying I hope I don't have to deal with her because frankly she annoys me. I don't hate her but she annoys me. Which is kudos to the writers for making her so realistic that I feel that way.

Though...I wouldn't even care if I could just call her out on some of the statements she makes.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:25 .

[Ryzaki]

UberDuber wrote...

Well your the one, who is demanding killing rights here, not me. If you read my post before I said "I would rather keep characters alive, it adds more to the story."

Once again the bottom line is. BioWare isn't going to let you kill off all their character just because you demand it. Sorry if you get heated up or whatever, but at the end of the day they are not going to listen to a few screams on the forums, and that applies to you and me. If BioWare kept Morrigan alive for another reason you'll just have to accept that & roll with it. Or don't ...it matters not to me or BioWare I'm sure.

Alistair is still more likely, the Dark ritual even applies to Alistair.

/faceplam

I'm demanding "killing rights" ?

Yeah. Ignore function on. If you're not going to bother reading my posts I'm not going to bother responding.

Nice Rant. Sounds just like the ones demanding you kill her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:23 .

[UberDuber]

David Gaider wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
I swear I just though I wish David Gaider would post in this thread and wondered why you didn't yet. Thanks so much

I just find it interesting how some people will imagine the worst case scenario with how we could use Morrigan in the future, then react as if that must be true and rage about it.

I can think of numerous ways a character's story could be continued without having them show up in the future and go "Hi! You don't know me, but I'm X!" and force the player to take them into the party or ignore past decisions you'll be importing. I don't know, but I think we can do better than that. Either way people will have to wait and see... Morrigan's story will be relevant in the future. That's the only thing you can count on.

I love you DG!

Why can't people just be happy for us always-hopeful Morrigan fans? Why? I hope yall get what you want with other companions. Without getting in a forum war, demanding blood rights.

[UberDuber]

Ryzaki wrote...

UberDuber wrote...

Well your the one, who is demanding killing rights here, not me. If you read my post before I said "I would rather keep characters alive, it adds more to the story."

Once again the bottom line is. BioWare isn't going to let you kill off all their character just because you demand it. Sorry if you get heated up or whatever, but at the end of the day they are not going to listen to a few screams on the forums, and that applies to you and me. If BioWare kept Morrigan alive for another reason you'll just have to accept that & roll with it. Or don't ...it matters not to me or BioWare I'm sure.

Alistair is still more likely, the Dark ritual even applies to Alistair.

/faceplam

I'm demanding "killing rights" ?

Yeah. Ignore function on. If you're not going to bother reading my posts I'm not going to bother responding.

Nice Rant. Sounds just like the ones demanding you kill her.

 
What!? LMAO I didn't demand to kill Morrigan? What on earth are you talking about. "Tis most disturbing."

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Since when does it matter if someone is a threat to kill them and when did Morrigan become one?

You're a grey warden your job is to stop the blight. She's trying to save a archedemon's soul. That's enough of a threat right there.

And she gives you a thinly veiled threat after you refuse her as she leaves. Which makes it even more facepalm worthy when you cross your arms and pout like a five year old instead of attacking her.

Maybe you should get your facts straight. She is trying to save the soul of an Old God. She helps you defeat it, and she offers to save your live or Alistairs or Loghains, depending on your choices. She helps you from start and never does anything to stop you no matter what your decisions are. The only thing you can hold against her is that she leaves you if you don't agree to the DR. Which is not nice, but not more evil than Alistair leaving you if you refuse to murder Loghain. If you assume great evil comming from the DR it is your opinion. There is no proof that it is a bad thing though. I even supported the US and not trusting Morrigan before Awakenings and Witch Hunt. But that was only because I didn't know some things, for exampel that it is possible that a darkspawn can be born with a soul (like the Architect) and act more like a Grey Warden than a darkspawn. So ... a lot of things are possible.

Old gods who turn into Archedemons when corrupted.

Let's resurrect something that can turn into that thing we just wasted thousands of lives defeating.

My facts? They're fine.

Their's no proof that its a good thing either. Actually even if it *is* a good thing it can still go wrong and result in another blight.

Like I said. Both views are valid. I just wish people would stop pretending there view is more valid.

I'm not saying that "OMG you shouldn't be able to do the DR!!!!"

I'm just saying I hope I don't have to deal with her because frankly she annoys me. I don't hate her but she annoys me. Which is kudos to the writers for making her so realistic that I feel that way.

Though...I wouldn't even care if I could just call her out on some of the statements she makes.

Well most antagonists annoy you at some point, and yes, some party members as well. I found Oghren extremely annoying. But isn't it the point of NPCs to fill many possible roles and not just be someone you like so very much?

[Ryzaki]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well most antagonists annoy you at some point, and yes, some party members as well. I found Oghren extremely annoying. But isn't it the point of NPCs to fill many possible roles and not just be someone you like so very much?

That's fine and all but every companion could be ignored (well except Alistair during the landsmeet but you could kill him right afterwards if you desired).

I'll be perfectly fine with Morrigan being background noise. I just don't want to have to deal with her.

Hopefully that is what'll happen.

True. Which is why I'm not demanding to be able to kill her. I just want to be able to tell her to GTFO or ignore her. As long as I can do that. I'm happy.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:34 .

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well most antagonists annoy you at some point, and yes, some party members as well. I found Oghren extremely annoying. But isn't it the point of NPCs to fill many possible roles and not just be someone you like so very much?

That's fine and all but every companion could be ignored (well except Alistair during the landsmeet but you could kill him right afterwards if you desired).

I'll be perfectly fine with Morrigan being background noise. I just don't want to have to deal with her.

Hopefully that is what'll happen.

True. Which is why I'm not demanding to be able to kill her. I just want to be able to tell her to GTFO or ignore her. As long as I can do that. I'm happy.

Well Old Gods can turn into Archdemons, mages can turn into abominations, kings can become tyrents. If I keep going I end up saying let's kill everyone to make sure nobody can do anything evil. The child will be born innocent. For the good or ill of the world will have to be seen.

[UberDuber]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well most antagonists annoy you at some point, and yes, some party members as well. I found Oghren extremely annoying. But isn't it the point of NPCs to fill many possible roles and not just be someone you like so very much?

That's fine and all but every companion could be ignored (well except Alistair during the landsmeet but you could kill him right afterwards if you desired).

I'll be perfectly fine with Morrigan being background noise. I just don't want to have to deal with her.

Hopefully that is what'll happen.

True. Which is why I'm not demanding to be able to kill her. I just want to be able to tell her to GTFO or ignore her. As long as I can do that. I'm happy.

And I'm not. I want Morrigan to come in flying on the last griffon with the godbaby under her arm, shooting lazers from his eyes, and the warden by her side. Ready to pwn Flemeth.

No beef. I hope you get whatever you're looking for, may the force be with you.
I also hope that the Morrigan fans out there get what they want. Yeah rock on.  
We have been through some tough times, indeed.

Modifié par UberDuber, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:46 .

[Onuris22]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Wiseman say: 'It's a long way to the shops if you want a sausage roll...' = Prize not obtained not without some journey.

With regard to the fade, I found the Sloth demon sequence rather gruelling; people have already commented that they found the toing and froing annoying, I will gladly support that argument. Not my favourite areas...

I always read that and think of AC/DC.

The fade portion was fun for me, in my original play through. I'll reserve further judgement untill I go through it again on my second playthrough (have to snag the ultimate edition, I want a fully complete experience to import.)

And, even if you don't really see Morrigan, or get to play with her it won't bother me. I've got faith Bioware will handle it just fine and it'll be engaging and fun for those that do care about her, which I do.

I remember that originally, I was going to romance Leliana. I had decided this before I started playing...but as soon as I met Morrigan in the wilds...I just couldn't care about Leliana for two seconds as a love interest.

Haven't played Awakening yet, nor Witch Hunt, but you can be sure my Warden's going to go through that Eluvian with her at the end of WH.

[Ryzaki]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well Old Gods can turn into Archdemons, mages can turn into abominations, kings can become tyrents. If I keep going I end up saying let's kill everyone to make sure nobody can do anything evil. The child will be born innocent. For the good or ill of the world will have to be seen.

There's no proof that the child will stay that way though.

We're both entitled to our views.

Let's just wait to see who's right.

And regardless of who is that doesn't make the others views suddenly wrong or unsupported. You're optmistic while I'm pessimistic.

(Not to mention I doubt someone as emotionally stunted as Morrigan would make a decent mother).

And there's always the chance that it'll grow up putting its survival of all things. Which would make it an over powered survival of the fittest type. Let's just hope it doesn't get curious about the world and go "why are you all so weak? " and screw everyone else over. <_<

Either that or be a big ball of wangst because it's mother didn't love it enough.

Of course this is assuming the god has none of its previous memories...which would either be for better or worse.

Edit: Yeah you're right this is a pointless arguement. XD We'll just go around in circles ad infintum.



Another Edit not related to quoted post: This thread http://social.biowar...47/index/325541 outlines Morrigan's "intelligence" .

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:55 .

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well Old Gods can turn into Archdemons, mages can turn into abominations, kings can become tyrents. If I keep going I end up saying let's kill everyone to make sure nobody can do anything evil. The child will be born innocent. For the good or ill of the world will have to be seen.

There's no proof that the child will stay that way though.

We're both entitled to our views.

Let's just wait to see who's right.

And regardless of who is that doesn't make the others views suddenly wrong or unsupported. You're optmistic while I'm pessimistic.

(Not to mention I doubt someone as emotionally stunted as Morrigan would make a decent mother).

Well true. Everything you fear Morrigan could be in a sequel I would love to see. So basically it is 'I say yes, you say no'. No use in continueing this

[Ryzaki]

AlexXIV wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well Old Gods can turn into Archdemons, mages can turn into abominations, kings can become tyrents. If I keep going I end up saying let's kill everyone to make sure nobody can do anything evil. The child will be born innocent. For the good or ill of the world will have to be seen.

There's no proof that the child will stay that way though.

We're both entitled to our views.

Let's just wait to see who's right.

And regardless of who is that doesn't make the others views suddenly wrong or unsupported. You're optmistic while I'm pessimistic.

(Not to mention I doubt someone as emotionally stunted as Morrigan would make a decent mother).

Well true. Everything you fear Morrigan could be in a sequel I would love to see. So basically it is 'I say yes, you say no'. No use in continueing this

No there isn't.

But I will say one thing: I like darker characters. I liked Bhelen even though he was a douche. He was a *smart* douche.

[Morrigans God son]

Really do you have point out all of Morrigan's flaws? Other characters have faults too. I mean we really shouldn't be agruing about a character's intellgence now? The writers are the ones who created the characters and designed their personality...and they're only allowed so much dialog. Morrigan was taught by Flemeth, she has little experience of her own.



I would love to see Morrigan again. There are so many unanswered questions with her, so I hope she plays a big role. If she shows up without my warden though...it will be a faceplam moment. I think it's about time we actually see this godbaby don't you think? ( Of course, it all depends on, if you refused or accepted the ritual. Don't want to start an other row. )

[darkshadow136]

David Gaider wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
I swear I just though I wish David Gaider would post in this thread and wondered why you didn't yet. Thanks so much

I just find it interesting how some people will imagine the worst case scenario with how we could use Morrigan in the future, then react as if that must be true and rage about it.

I can think of numerous ways a character's story could be continued without having them show up in the future and go "Hi! You don't know me, but I'm X!" and force the player to take them into the party or ignore past decisions you'll be importing. I don't know, but I think we can do better than that. Either way people will have to wait and see... Morrigan's story will be relevant in the future. That's the only thing you can count on.

I hope Morrigan is used in a more relevant way then they way she was used in the last DLC lol. I hope that you put figures to keyboard and come up with something Epic for Morrigan and her storyline in the future.

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well Old Gods can turn into Archdemons, mages can turn into abominations, kings can become tyrents. If I keep going I end up saying let's kill everyone to make sure nobody can do anything evil. The child will be born innocent. For the good or ill of the world will have to be seen.

There's no proof that the child will stay that way though.

We're both entitled to our views.

Let's just wait to see who's right.

And regardless of who is that doesn't make the others views suddenly wrong or unsupported. You're optmistic while I'm pessimistic.

(Not to mention I doubt someone as emotionally stunted as Morrigan would make a decent mother).

Well true. Everything you fear Morrigan could be in a sequel I would love to see. So basically it is 'I say yes, you say no'. No use in continueing this

No there isn't.

But I will say one thing: I like darker characters. I liked Bhelen even though he was a douche. He was a *smart* douche.

Lol hated him. Even before dwarven noble origin which reveals the full range of his crimes. He basically murders his whole family to become king. He is truely evil in my eyes. The only thing I like about him is that he gave me an easy choice to support Harrowmont. Something we don't agree either I guess  I can't say I like evil characters. What I like in supposed evil characters is when I can understand their motivation. Like Loghain.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 11 octobre 2010 - 09:08 .

[SirShreK]

AlexXIV wrote...

Lol hated him. Even before dwarven noble origin which reveals the full range of his crimes. He basically murders his whole family to become king (My EDIT: MOTIVATION). He is truely evil in my eyes. The only thing I like about him is that he gave me an easy choice to support Harrowmont. Something we don't agree either I guess  I can't say I like evil characters. What I like in supposed evil characters is when I can understand their motivation. Like Loghain.

Did you just pwn yourself?