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I love the constant quarreling Alistair and Leliana get into with her. So its almost worth it always having her in my group not to mention she pumps out the most DPS of any of my characters

Modifié par Trenrade, 03 novembre 2010 - 03:40 .


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FellowerOfOdin wrote...

It's only natural that people who do not like Morrigan tend to like Wynne ;)

Both are strong personalities yet have a totally different alignment. Morrigan is selfish, cruel and cold-hearted whereas Wynne is a truly good people who cares for others and is willing to being any sacrifice. Wynne is 100% lawful, in general, lawful good, whereas Morrigan is 100% chaotic and pretty much...evil to a lesser degree. On the one hand, she is not running around blindly killing stuff, but on the other hand, she truly has a evil personality.


I would say she is more Chaotic Neutral or Neutral Evil

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FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Wrong. Morrigan cannot be Chaotic Neutral as this requires her to be in a group with a common goal - and that's not the case. The "real" group wants to save Ferelden whereas Morrigan only wants to become more powerful herself and...uh, spoilers.

Quoting from Wikipedia for Neutral Evil:

Neutral Evil is called the "Malefactor" alignment. Characters of this alignment are typically selfish and have no qualms about turning on their allies-of-the-moment. They have no compunctions about harming others to get what they want, but neither will they go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit to it.


We got 3 critical strikes here.


Perhaps if Ferelden didn't decree that Morrigan be burnt at the stake, she would be a bit more keen about saving it...

But what you posted could apply to almost all your companions, no?  Even the saintly Wynne has little problem with an itchy trigger finger when you first meet her and Allistair is probably the only one who truly "wants" to save Ferelden but his priorities certainly get complicated should you choose certain dialogue options at the most crucial part of the game.

I think she fits CN to a T

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Morrigan has a good personality I think- Just because she is a social **** doesn't mean she isn't a good person--- I mean, look at how she was raised--- By some nutty old bat.

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I'm glad this thread got a second life as some of us are new to the game and can give our thoughts to it.  If all conversations only occurred once we would still be cowering in the cave trying to get the fire started!

ON Morrigan:

Personally I think she's very complicated!  She's a challenge to manage her in a party.  That is, however, the nature of managing a team both in real life and in RPGs.  She's hard work and I like her for it.  I agree with other comments about the depth of her character development and that we would need to peer beneath the surface to understand her.  Yet, she is who she is and that means dealing with her on her terms sometimes.  Again I don't see it as a problem, in fact, I think it makes the game far more interesting.  Building a party of Lawful Goods and saving the world with ease is rather dull!  I nearly always try to have a party of mixed alignments when I play an RPG if only to increase the challenge.

Great voice acting, nice dialog and she gives Alistair a hard time whenever she can which always cheers me up.

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Morrigan is the best!!!!

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On my first playthrough, I dumped her as soon as I found out that wynn was a healer. Never having to see Morrigans approval rating of me go down felt great. Overall, she's a very interesting character, I'm probably going to use her in my second playthrough.

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If you listen to her companion banter with party members pretty much everyone has nasty things to say to her. Even Sten who plays by the survival of the fittest concept (in a duty sense). I think Leliana's the only one I've seen flirt with her.

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i loved morrigan, as a character she had healing attack and control all in one character. my first run through the game morrigan wynne and allistaire all the way.. morrigan is just head strong also has the survival of the fittest mentality be hunted in wilds and survived i cant blame her .. she is still awesome

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I personally like morrigan. She's a bit childish and tries hard to seem a psychopath, but she has some depth to her and aside from some emotional issues does at least tend to think about things... Plus her and Allistaire bickering together is iconic.

Wynne is just too lawful for me.. She's got the attitude of, this is right because it was always right and therefor will always be right, end of discussion. Not enough independent thought going on in there.

Leliana is just nuts.. No impulse control, she gets a feeling and then alters her perception of the world to justify it.. Smart girl, but completely unable to look at the big picture.

Modifié par Tiskenburdle, 06 novembre 2010 - 04:24 .


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I don't find her shallow at all.
She is very practical and a bit ruthless because of her upbringing.
My male mage romanced her and they fell in love.
She actually has feelings you just have to get to know her.
She is trying to seem tough but really she isn't.
most of my characters get along with her, if she disapproves bribe her lol.
Also I don't see anything Morrigan does as evil at all.  Just because she pratices apostate magics doesn't make her a bad person and since we are not sure why she wants a child can we really judge her on Being manipulative towards the warden?

Modifié par metalcraze33, 07 novembre 2010 - 01:14 .


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She annoys me so much! How come everytime my warden touches another woman she get so pissed off, yet sleeps with you at like 20 approval. If she didn't want to be treated like **** maybe she should act like one. My warden is not her property.

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I liked her more after being 'Just Friends' for one complete playthrough. Her sharp tongue can be annoying, but after discovering her nature is due to a lack of nurture, I give her a break.

Plus she has a great wardrobe.... *rowr*

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Joy Divison wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Wrong. Morrigan cannot be Chaotic Neutral as this requires her to be in a group with a common goal - and that's not the case. The "real" group wants to save Ferelden whereas Morrigan only wants to become more powerful herself and...uh, spoilers.

Quoting from Wikipedia for Neutral Evil:


Neutral Evil is called the "Malefactor" alignment. Characters of this alignment are typically selfish and have no qualms about turning on their allies-of-the-moment. They have no compunctions about harming others to get what they want, but neither will they go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit to it.


We got 3 critical strikes here.


Perhaps if Ferelden didn't decree that Morrigan be burnt at the stake, she would be a bit more keen about saving it...

But what you posted could apply to almost all your companions, no?  Even the saintly Wynne has little problem with an itchy trigger finger when you first meet her and Allistair is probably the only one who truly "wants" to save Ferelden but his priorities certainly get complicated should you choose certain dialogue options at the most crucial part of the game.

I think she fits CN to a T


 You forgot Leliana also wants to join the warden to stop the bllight.

And the reason Wynne turns on the warden in the circle tower is because she is trying to protect her fellow mages. Morrigan kills Wynne because she hates mages and the circle, she is very selfish. Even worse is killing the mages has no benfit but she still wants it done.

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metalcraze33 wrote...

I don't find her shallow at all.
She is very practical and a bit ruthless because of her upbringing.
My male mage romanced her and they fell in love.
She actually has feelings you just have to get to know her.
She is trying to seem tough but really she isn't.
most of my characters get along with her, if she disapproves bribe her lol.
Also I don't see anything Morrigan does as evil at all.  Just because she pratices apostate magics doesn't make her a bad person and since we are not sure why she wants a child can we really judge her on Being manipulative towards the warden?


I agree, Morrigan is a loner by upbringing, not by choice, if you talk to her more often, you realise that she isn't a one dimensional character. She initially appears to have a cold hearted rigid perspective on the world, but further investigation reveals that inside that seemingly supremely confident wretch, is a human being that is embroiled with much inner turmoil and insecurity.

Should you chose to romance her, she initially is completely stringently adherent to the 'love is a weakness' philosophy, yet it is apparent that towards the end she finds it increasingly difficult to overcome her affection for the warden.

One always yearns for that that is all the more hard to obtain i.e. her genuine affection.
I think i really liked her because she was a paradox, so head strong and brash, yet somewhere deep down, lay that little girl who cried over a pretty broken mirror...

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At first, I just dived in the game knowing nothing about it. So I'm vanilla as much as the game, which is what I do most of the time anyway. Ofcourse being vanilla, I talked to as many NPCs as often as I can, to get into the story. Whenever I have a conversation with Morrigan, I (IRL) go "Ohhhh" or "Wooow", thinking either "I can relate" or "That's something to think about". I declared to myself that she's practical, smart, a good talker, and a gentle person. My only problem during the earlier times were her initial skills, "Ah, she's a buffer." I didn't notice much of her banters with Alistair until I heard him asking her to 'crawl... and die'. Then comes the time when I started helping people and she disapproves somewhat, in a way far from what I thought of her. This time, I started reading around. It surprises me that most of the compliments she get is based on how she looks. And her logic and thinking (which I honestly admire) is what pisses most people off.



I just think, when it's based on the story line, who can blame her? Automatically called an apostate because of what she is.

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Morrigan is a bad person and an incredibly good character.

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Meh I dislike her and think she's very ignorant yet refuses to see it. She is a good character though. So much that I want to strangle her.

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Morrigan is one of the more interesting characters in the game she's one of those that people either love or hate it seems. She's the kind of person i enjoy being around IRL i enjoy complex people who don';t reveal everything about themselves at once they are more of a challange than people who throw themselves full force at you.

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It's a love hate relationship with Morrigan. I love that as a character she is interesting and has a lot more 'depth' to her. She's very complex and yet so simple at the same time. I hate that a lot of the choices you make (or can make) in the game she disapproves of. Most of the choices I made, I did so not caring whether or not she's going to like it. She was merely a means to an end for a long time. But the more I played her the more I actually liked her.

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I think Morrigan is mainly just misunderstood i mean she cannot be catergorised as simply evil-or good she is probably in alignment terms chaotic neutral maybe, but i like her shes what you may call a 'real' anti-hero? :)

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DarkRevan1975 wrote...

I think Morrigan is mainly just misunderstood i mean she cannot be catergorised as simply evil-or good she is probably in alignment terms chaotic neutral maybe, but i like her shes what you may call a 'real' anti-hero? :)


I see her as a Neutral Evil.  Chaotics are psychologically more unstable and probably wouldn't even stay with the group as there doesn't seem to be much in it for that archetype. 

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If you want Morrigan to like you, leave her in the camp whenever you do nice things.

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btw, does anyone know where I can find that one comic where the warden says "i payed 60 dollars to be bullied by a 90 pound british woman and a man child" ?

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Glaucon wrote...

DarkRevan1975 wrote...

I think Morrigan is mainly just misunderstood i mean she cannot be catergorised as simply evil-or good she is probably in alignment terms chaotic neutral maybe, but i like her shes what you may call a 'real' anti-hero? :)


I see her as a Neutral Evil.  Chaotics are psychologically more unstable and probably wouldn't even stay with the group as there doesn't seem to be much in it for that archetype. 


Yeah I agree. Chaotic is more like Leliana, who has a vision and then decides to go take on the blight all by herself.

I also think Morrgian is evil because she loves kill the mages in the circle tower. Just cause she hates them.