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[Killjoy Cutter]

(See my sig for an explanation of the parathetical in my thread title.)

Do you have a moment in ME that just knocks you completely out of your suspension of disbelief?  If so, what is it?   Even if it's just for a second...


The one that always gets me is when Mordin starts talking about humans being genetically diverse compared to other species.  If that's the case, then other intelligent species from around the galaxy must be nearly inbred. 

If you look at human genetic history, there are are one or more severe population bottlenecks that stripped our species of a great deal of genetic diversity.  Even though we outnumber most of the other ape species thousands or millions to one, they're almost all more genetically varied that we are. 


(For reference, I don't think that anything to do with the "mass effect" conceit of the setting can count, unless you're talking about something in how it's presented that's internally inconsistent.)

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 10 octobre 2010 - 01:30 .

[Zulu_DFA]

All team on shuttle

Collector cruiser coming out of the middle of nowhere

Crew abductuion

Boobs in space

High heels

Thermal ammo

Ammo powers

Jack's biotics immediately upon release from cryo.

Super-baby-terminator

Shall I continue?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 octobre 2010 - 01:34 .

[Saibh]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The one that always gets me is when Mordin starts talking about humans being genetically diverse compared to other species.  If that's the case, then other intelligent species from around the galaxy must be nearly inbred. 

If you look at human genetic history, there are are one or more severe population bottlenecks that stripped our species of a great deal of genetic diversity.  Even though we outnumber most of the other ape species thousands or millions to one, they're almost all more genetically varied that we are. 

I hate how people bring this one up. For all we know, Earth has an incredibly diverse population for the galaxy. When's the last time you met an alien species? I'm sure the asari never found their lifespan unique until they met other species, or found their ability to mindmeld extraordinary. I'm sure drell never thought their eidetic memories were interesting until they found out other species don't have them. Possibly there were volus warriors regarded as the most fearsome things in their planet, until they saw their first turian and developed self-esteem issues.

Similarly, because we have no reference to compare ourselves against, Earth life might be dramatically diverse. Humans on Earth might be less diverse by comparison to our other life, but maybe scientists look at our flora and fauna and are absolutely amazed. Maybe the way our planet developed in diversity is incredible--we just don't know it.

Also, I see this a launching pad for certain people to complain about ME2's story.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 octobre 2010 - 01:41 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saibh wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The one that always gets me is when Mordin starts talking about humans being genetically diverse compared to other species.  If that's the case, then other intelligent species from around the galaxy must be nearly inbred. 

If you look at human genetic history, there are are one or more severe population bottlenecks that stripped our species of a great deal of genetic diversity.  Even though we outnumber most of the other ape species thousands or millions to one, they're almost all more genetically varied that we are. 

I hate how people bring this one up. For all we know, Earth has an incredibly diverse population for the galaxy. When's the last time you met an alien species?.

It's possible that you're right, but if you are, then, as I said, most other intelligent species in the ME setting are in danger of endemic inbreeding. 

[Saibh]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

It's possible that you're right, but if you are, then, as I said, most other intelligent species in the ME setting are in danger of endemic inbreeding. 

Or their biologies work around it, because that is how their species evolved. It's only a species like humanity that used to be even more diverse and isn't diverse by their planet's standards that has problems with genetic diversity.

[cachx]

Saibh wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

It's possible that you're right, but if you are, then, as I said, most other intelligent species in the ME setting are in danger of endemic inbreeding. 

Or their biologies work around it, because that is how their species evolved. It's only a species like humanity that used to be even more diverse and isn't diverse by their planet's standards that has problems with genetic diversity.

The whole genetic thing is just a case of "Humans Are Special". 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Let's please not be uncivil. We can disagree without being rude, right?

[Saibh]

Shandepared wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Or their biologies work around it, because that is how their species evolved. It's only a species like humanity that used to be even more diverse and isn't diverse by their planet's standards that has problems with genetic diversity.

I think it is more likely that you're a desperate fanboy eager to cover-up Bioware's silly mistakes.

Point me out to alien species, please. You know, ones you've met. So you can prove me wrong.

I'll wait here.

cachx wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

It's possible that you're right, but if you are, then, as I said, most other intelligent species in the ME setting are in danger of endemic inbreeding. 

Or their biologies work around it, because that is how their species evolved. It's only a species like humanity that used to be even more diverse and isn't diverse by their planet's standards that has problems with genetic diversity.

The whole genetic thing is just a case of "Humans Are Special". 

Sure, I know that.  They needed an excuse for Collectors to care about humans, which in turn was an excuse for Renegade Shepard to care that the Collectors were abducting people. It's also backed up by in-game hints--after all, the human character creator is going to be more diverse and detailed than the turian or salarian one. Humans, in-game, naturally have more variable faces, voices, and even personalities.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 octobre 2010 - 02:20 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

All team on shuttle

Collector cruiser coming out of the middle of nowhere

Crew abductuion

Boobs in space

High heels

Thermal ammo

Ammo powers

Jack's biotics immediately upon release from cryo.

Super-baby-terminator

Shall I continue?

Your threshold must be lower than mine, and I have a low threshold (thus my sig).

[Iakus]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

All team on shuttle

Collector cruiser coming out of the middle of nowhere

Crew abductuion

Boobs in space

High heels

Thermal ammo

Ammo powers

Jack's biotics immediately upon release from cryo.

Super-baby-terminator

Shall I continue?

Allow me


The Cure for Death...

...Which no one (including Shepard) is the least bit curious about

"Ah, yes 'Reapers'"

Armor is Useless

Cerberus, the super-secret, quasi-terrorist organization, whom it is a capital offense to even be a member, puts its logo on everything, including the side of the Normandy

Virmire Survivor's reaction

Edit: The Kain too.  And I thought the Fat Boy was over the top in Fallout 3.

Modifié par iakus, 10 octobre 2010 - 07:04 .

[GodWood]

cachx wrote...
The whole genetic thing is just a case of "Humans Are Special". 

That.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Or their biologies work around it, because that is how their species evolved. It's only a species like humanity that used to be even more diverse and isn't diverse by their planet's standards that has problems with genetic diversity.

I think it is more likely that you're a desperate fanboy eager to cover-up Bioware's silly mistakes.

The "they are from another planet" argument pretty much covers anything, including very odd things, such as female quarians and asari having breasts and rachni "genetic memories". I'd cut BioWare some sci-fi slack here.

On the other hand, the existing scientific knowledge about humans should be respected, and such things as Shepard's "resurrection" must have a harder explanation.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 octobre 2010 - 07:36 .

[mosor]

iakus wrote...


Cerberus, the super-secret, quasi-terrorist organization, whom it is a capital offense to even be a member, puts its logo on everything, including the side of the Normandy

Are you sure it's a Cerberus logo and not the logo of one of their front companies? Jack may have recognized it, but she's been researching Cerberus for years.

[GodWood]

I betcha the cure for death would be popular.

Cerberus should market it.

[Zulu_DFA]

yorkj86 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Jack's biotics immediately upon release from cryo.

What do you mean?  The disappointment felt upon finding that gameplay mechanics gimp her apparent awesome powers?

I mean that not-so-biotic races, including humans and turians, need biotic amplifiers to show any Fu-grade tricks. Jack's should have been confiscated for the term of incarceration.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shandepared wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The "they are from another planet" argument pretty much covers anything, including very odd things, such as female quarians and asari having breasts and rachni "genetic memories". I'd cut BioWare some sci-fi slack here.

On the other hand, the existing scientific knowledge about humans should be respected, and such things as Shepard's "resurrection" must have a harder explanation.

I'm willing to let the pretty girl aliens slide but not the Humans Are Special thing. We had enough of that in the first game.

Oh well, I guess it just proves humans are the master race destined to rule the galaxy.

I can get behind that.

Ha!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 octobre 2010 - 07:37 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I thought the text to Jack's prototype upgrade mentions something about her being unusual for a human biotic... I'll have to look it up.

[Zulu_DFA]

mosor wrote...

iakus wrote...


Cerberus, the super-secret, quasi-terrorist organization, whom it is a capital offense to even be a member, puts its logo on everything, including the side of the Normandy

Are you sure it's a Cerberus logo and not the logo of one of their front companies? Jack may have recognized it, but she's been researching Cerberus for years.

Yeah, I think it's sort of established somewhere that it's meant to be Cord-Hislop, Inc. logo. It's a Cerberus front spacecraft manufacturing company Paul Grayson was working for. The Normandy SR-2 may be registered as property of that company.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 octobre 2010 - 02:40 .

[mosor]

Personally I never bought into the whole concept of biotics, The moment writers introduced that, the game became science fantasy rather than science fiction. Anything is possible in fantasy, so I'm not going to really sweat buying into the concepts or not.

[Frybread76]

The cutscene super heriocs.



Ammo powers.



No armor or environmental suits for squad mates.



The baby Reaper and its construction from human "goo."

[Pacifien]

mosor wrote...
Personally I never bought into the whole concept of biotics, The moment writers introduced that, the game became science fantasy rather than science fiction. Anything is possible in fantasy, so I'm not going to really sweat buying into the concepts or not.

I also subscribe to the Zombo philosophy of science fantasy.

But that said, I tend to go out of my way to pick squadmates who have sealed armor suits whenever in vacuum or the Migrant Fleet.