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[bzombo]

i think ng+ is better in an action rpg like diablo.

[In Exile]

AlanC9 wrote...
As for the overall point, I have to agree that if DA2 uses the same bad scaling system that DAO did, NG+ is a trivial feature to add and might as well be in.  My position is that I want scaling drastically limited -- a three or four level range at most. Well, really I want it removed altogether, but that's not likely. So if I get what I want NG+ will be a cakewalk; that will work for some NG+ fans, but not all.

I don't get get how NG+ could appeal to anyone other than people who want to breeze through the combat to get to more story. Even with scaling, I find that the game always becomes much easier once you have the greater spread of abilities.

[uberdowzen]

I really dislike NG+. It forces me to replay the game as the same character (I'd much rather start a new character) to reach the level cap and get all the achievements. Plus it's somewhat confusing have multiple versions of the same character.

[crimzontearz]

Hey uber....you do realize that if you do NOT want to play an NG+ NOBODY forces you to? You canalways start a brand new level1 game

[TimelordDC]

NG+ really works for games that have been designed to deal with the increased combat abilities of the character - like Diablo or Titan Quest. In DA, where combat mechanics become trivial once you hit the medium-to-high levels, NG+ would actually detract from the gameplay.

Level scaling, as done in DA, is really not the answer as all it does is increase damage/hp of monsters. You don't get them using different abilities, tactics, etc. It should also be kept in mind that the combat in DA is only to add to the story rather than being the focus, as in Diablo, for example.

[uberdowzen]

I know, but I would like to be able to reach level 30 in one play through. I know that once you've beaten it once you get enough XP bonuses to reach 30 on subsequent characters but I should be able to get there on the first time through. NG+ really should just be a bonus and shouldn't have any bearing on the rest of the game.

[uberdowzen]

I'll also admit it was done a lot better in ME2 than in ME1 (I shouldn't have to do 2 or 3 complete playthroughs to reach 60) and I suspect implementing it in DA2 would be more like the latter rather than the former.

[crimzontearz]

As long as it is implemented I'm happy. And yes...being able to max the character in one playthrough should be the standard without an NG+ option

[crimzontearz]

Also tothose who said story and user created features would help the game more....

This is a Bioware game...good story is a given

As for the user created features.... Sure...for pc player who can ALREADY give themselves NG+ through the console....what about the 360 players who cannot have mods? Can we AT LEAST have NG+? Or are we supposed to just get totally shafted?

Modifié par crimzontearz, 11 octobre 2010 - 09:59 .

[nightcobra]

crimzontearz wrote...

Also tothose who said story and user created features would help the game more....

Sure...for pc player who cal ALREADY give themselves NG+ through the console....what about the 360 players who cannot have mods? Can we AT LEAST have NG+? Or are we supposed to just get totally shafted?

don't forget us on the ps3 who also want it 

[crimzontearz]

Well there is an off chance that ps3 players might get mods....still if not then yes they too should get ng+

[ladydesire]

crimzontearz wrote...

Also tothose who said story and user created features would help the game more....

This is a Bioware game...good story is a given

To a lot of us, good story means that plot flags are set properly so that we get the right reaction from a given character when it should happen. This doesn't happen in DAO without mods, at least on PC; consoles get "shafted".

As for the user created features.... Sure...for pc player who can ALREADY give themselves NG+ through the console....what about the 360 players who cannot have mods? Can we AT LEAST have NG+? Or are we supposed to just get totally shafted?

Again, should the players on console that want the story in DA2 to work properly (as pointed out above) "get shafted" because Bioware put resources (as previously defined) into developing NG+ for those that don't care about story immersion? I know which I'd prefer seeing. Now, if Bioware could do both, I wouldn't let the existence of NG+ in DA2 bother me, since as has been pointed out, I don't have to use it. I just don't want this feature to end up taking priority over the proper functionality of critical plot flags, which would lead to complaints which can't be fixed with mods on consoles.

[AlanC9]

In Exile wrote...
I don't get get how NG+ could appeal to anyone other than people who want to breeze through the combat to get to more story. Even with scaling, I find that the game always becomes much easier once you have the greater spread of abilities. 

I used to think that, but I've seen posts from people who just like having lots of abilities on their character. Or something like that; I'm not going to pretend to really understand the perspective.

[upsettingshorts]

Because high end abilities are cool? Much cooler than waiting for your one active ability to come off cooldown while you watch your party auto-attack for lack of actually having any other choice?  Not much more to it than that.

As far as story immersion goes, whether it takes me 3 or 15 seconds to kill a Darkspawn isn't really important. Considering NPCs in a lot of the origins, but not all, go out of their way to either say or establish how impressive you are in combat before you even arrive in Ostagar, there's a lot of room for interpretation as to exactly how skilled my Warden is at any particular time.

Granted, I'm not sure I'd want to have a max or near max level toon that early, which is why when I break open the console I only bump my toon to level seven upon arriving at Ostagar. It's enough of a bump that I get to enjoy the perks of specialization immediately, but not so much that I feel it breaks the game.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 12 octobre 2010 - 03:49 .

[Aradace]

You know what? Im done on this one lol. There are people who are being complete idiots about the whole issue (those that are saying that it'll take too much time and resources in particular) when the Devs themselves have already stated that added NG+ WOULD BE EASY. So again, anyone saying otherwise, IMO are just being completely stupid about the whole thing and just flat out dont want the feature in the game. It does NOT affect the story or gameplay in anyway. No one is forcing you to use the feature it's there for those that want to use it and those that dont, dont have to. Plain and simple. At this point, I hope they add it now more so than before so that, just as when I was right about Liara not being a permanent squadmate in ME2 after LotSB, so that I can point, laugh, and do my "I told you so dance" lol.



And if they dont add it, again, no skin off my back I just wont buy the game and I'll stick to renting it along with any other future Dragon Age games. There are some games that are worth buying, and some that are only worth renting. And in the case of Origins, I should have just rented it.

[Bryy_Miller]

AlanC9 wrote...

In Exile wrote...
I don't get get how NG+ could appeal to anyone other than people who want to breeze through the combat to get to more story. Even with scaling, I find that the game always becomes much easier once you have the greater spread of abilities. 

I used to think that, but I've seen posts from people who just like having lots of abilities on their character. Or something like that; I'm not going to pretend to really understand the perspective.

It's all about having an ePeen to those types. No, it really is. How many people get upset that GameStop offers different incentives than Best Buy? It's all about having more than the other guy. Especially in the age of "everything needs to be multiplayer".

Remember when you were young and you would yell at your mom for not playing the game right?

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 12 octobre 2010 - 08:21 .

[Aradace]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

In Exile wrote...
I don't get get how NG+ could appeal to anyone other than people who want to breeze through the combat to get to more story. Even with scaling, I find that the game always becomes much easier once you have the greater spread of abilities. 

I used to think that, but I've seen posts from people who just like having lots of abilities on their character. Or something like that; I'm not going to pretend to really understand the perspective.

It's all about having an ePeen to those types. No, it really is. How many people get upset that GameStop offers different incentives than Best Buy? It's all about having more than the other guy. Especially in the game of "everything needs to be multiplayer".

Remember when you were young and you would yell at your mom for not playing the game right?

Actually, you're wrong.  It has nothing to do with "epeens".  At least not for me anyway.  It's about not having to start from scratch every time and also, you know what else? I like the feature becuase I actually find it to be fun!!!  Holy **** batman, that's unheard of that someone finds something that you dont like to be fun isnt it?  Again, it would not detract from the game in any way whatsoever and anyone who thinks it would it just freakin being moronic.  "Epeens" indeed lol. 

[Bryy_Miller]

Aradace wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

In Exile wrote...
I don't get get how NG+ could appeal to anyone other than people who want to breeze through the combat to get to more story. Even with scaling, I find that the game always becomes much easier once you have the greater spread of abilities. 

I used to think that, but I've seen posts from people who just like having lots of abilities on their character. Or something like that; I'm not going to pretend to really understand the perspective.

It's all about having an ePeen to those types. No, it really is. How many people get upset that GameStop offers different incentives than Best Buy? It's all about having more than the other guy. Especially in the game of "everything needs to be multiplayer".

Remember when you were young and you would yell at your mom for not playing the game right?

Actually, you're wrong.  It has nothing to do with "epeens".  At least not for me anyway.

Okay? Was I singling you out personally?

Holy **** batman, that's unheard of that someone finds something that you dont like to be fun isnt it?  Again, it would not detract from the game in any way whatsoever and anyone who thinks it would it just freakin being moronic.  "Epeens" indeed lol. 

Calm down, dude. I was not talking about you or to you. Don't mistake MY post with Alan's just because I was responding to him on one point out of many. 

Calm down.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 12 octobre 2010 - 08:29 .

[Aradace]

Doesnt matter if you were singling anyone out or not. The point is that you're making a broad generalizing statement to explain something that has absolutely ZERO basis in fact. You want me to calm down? Help me convince the morons who think that adding a NG+ would take too much time and money that they're being idiotic about it when again, BW themselves stated it would be a trivial matter to add because Im getting reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllly sick of seeing that one. Especially when it's already been squashed.

Edit: And furthermore, if the people that DONT want a NG+ feature, dont want it so badly, then just state it plainly instead of coming up with bull**** lame excuses like "It'll detract from the story" or "It'll detract too much resources" If you personally dont want the feature, then dont.....freaking....use it.  That simple.  Stop trying to justify your positions with bullcrap about how it'll affect the story or resources when it wont.

Modifié par Aradace, 12 octobre 2010 - 08:43 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Aradace wrote...

Doesnt matter if you were singling anyone out or not.

Actually, due to your posting style, it kind of really looked like you were/are taking personal offense.

The point is that you're making a broad generalizing statement to explain something that has absolutely ZERO basis in fact.

Really? Zero basis in fact? You know this how?

You want me to calm down? Help me convince the morons who think that adding a NG+ would take too much time and money that they're being idiotic about it when again, BW themselves stated it would be a trivial matter to add because Im getting reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllly sick of seeing that one. Especially when it's already been squashed.

No, how about you just calm down? I'm sure you can post in a civil manner.

[DMC12]

Aradace wrote...

Doesnt matter if you were singling
anyone out or not. The point is that you're making a broad generalizing
statement to explain something that has absolutely ZERO basis in fact.
You want me to calm down? Help me convince the morons who think that
adding a NG+ would take too much time and money that they're being
idiotic about it when again, BW themselves stated it would be a trivial
matter to add because Im getting reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllly sick of
seeing that one. Especially when it's already been squashed.

There's not going to be a NG+? Lame...


But you got to admit, it is kind of about ePeens. I mean, when I went through ME1/2 on NG+, I was so awesome that I would just whip out my ePeen and smack it across the foreheads of all my enemies until they died from it... then I smacked it across Miranda's forehead. But I digress, NG+ was very fun and was a great feature of those games, don't see why it's not in DA2.

[Aradace]

Yes, ZERO basis in fact until you can show stone cold evidence of the contrary. That's what makes it an OPINION. Or, are you one of those that tries to pass his opinion off as fact?

[upsettingshorts]

Aradace wrote...

stone cold

[Aradace]

DMC12 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Doesnt matter if you were singling
anyone out or not. The point is that you're making a broad generalizing
statement to explain something that has absolutely ZERO basis in fact.
You want me to calm down? Help me convince the morons who think that
adding a NG+ would take too much time and money that they're being
idiotic about it when again, BW themselves stated it would be a trivial
matter to add because Im getting reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllly sick of
seeing that one. Especially when it's already been squashed.

There's not going to be a NG+? Lame...


But you got to admit, it is kind of about ePeens. I mean, when I went through ME1/2 on NG+, I was so awesome that I would just whip out my ePeen and smack it across the foreheads of all my enemies until they died from it... then I smacked it across Miranda's forehead. But I digress, NG+ was very fun and was a great feature of those games, don't see why it's not in DA2.

No, not saying there isnt going to be one, Im just saying that people who dont want the feature need to stop using the lame ass "It'll detract from resources" or "degrade the story" line to justify their positions against having a NG+ feature.  We dont know if there is going to actually be one yet or not.  For me though, it's going to be the deciding factor as to whether I buy the game, or simply rent it and play it once then send it back to gamefly lol.

[Aradace]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Aradace wrote...

stone cold

Ok, now that made me laugh lol