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Adriano87 wrote...

Is that derelict cruiser on moon real?!


Yeah,it is real.USAF and NASA tried to covered it up until someone exposed it to the public,then they said it's a hoax.

It might shaped like a submarine/cruiser but it is not a cruiser,that actually is a huge mothership located on the dark side of the Moon!! around 500 meters in height,it makes Queen Mary II looks like a midget vessel,try to search in YouTube.NASA also found several old,really old Moon bases,again on the dark side of the Moon not too far from the mothership.USAF keeps a secret exchange with extraterrestrial intelligences since the Roswell Incident in 1947 and has been developing classified projects such as high-tech weapons,aircrafts and spacecrafts with them in underground facilities all over the United States.

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ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Adriano87 wrote...

Is that derelict cruiser on moon real?!


Yeah,it is real.USAF and NASA tried to covered it up until someone exposed it to the public,then they said it's a hoax.

It might shaped like a submarine/cruiser but it is not a cruiser,that actually is a huge mothership located on the dark side of the Moon!! around 500 meters in height,it makes Queen Mary II looks like a midget vessel,try to search in YouTube.NASA also found several old,really old Moon bases,again on the dark side of the Moon not too far from the mothership.USAF keeps a secret exchange with extraterrestrial intelligences since the Roswell Incident in 1947 and has been developing classified projects such as high-tech weapons,aircrafts and spacecrafts with them in underground facilities all over the United States.


that is also something william cooper made claims about. when he was still alive, his credentials in naval intelligence were legit. he claimed there's an underground base in the four corners region, on an indian reservation. having driven around that part of the country many times, i've seen some gnarly stuff in the skies around there. some if the times, i'm sure, have been either military or civilian aircraft. the other times, though, i'm not too sure what the hell was flying around.

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That mothership in the moon is real?
I think we may have first contact coming in the next century.

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Who the hell had gone near that ship (in Apollo 10)?

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so you really believe a big bang occured and it dosent at all need a starting point? that honestly makes no sence with all do respect.  and wile we are on the subject do you also believe are ancestors came from prime apes as well because it was mentioned in a science book or written in a scientific of america magazine?


 Honestly, I don't know what to say...


Nothing. You are in a science vs religion argument and these never work out. Tazzmission simply wants to believe. The only thing to do is to smile, wish him the best and move on...

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^ Your science has nothing special about this case, It is about History, Archeology and Evidences which you consider insufficient to prove anything. you know, IT is Not MATHEMATICS

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It is the matter of Investigation for a Courthouse about Seeing Ufos in the Crime Scene or not!

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grregg wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

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so you really believe a big bang occured and it dosent at all need a starting point? that honestly makes no sence with all do respect.  and wile we are on the subject do you also believe are ancestors came from prime apes as well because it was mentioned in a science book or written in a scientific of america magazine?


 Honestly, I don't know what to say...


Nothing. You are in a science vs religion argument and these never work out. Tazzmission simply wants to believe. The only thing to do is to smile, wish him the best and move on...



this isnt a science or religion debate i said that both of those subjects is what devide the world. imo if people wanna get answers both sides have to unite and search together. and you make it sound like if everything you said is fact. come on ggreg you have all the answers right? tell me where is this link that shows we humans evolved from apes. even better prove global warming. global warming is a theory itself and yet you believe it and make it sound like if there is actual evidence. the truth is people like you wont admit it because you will realise you and basicly all scientists are afraid that its true you all dont know everything. expressing your option is one thing ggreg but dont twist around what i posted . and i would hate to see this thread closed because you yourself cant stop yourself from twisting every little thing that i said

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Creature of the Wheel wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Adriano87 wrote...

Is that derelict cruiser on moon real?!


Yeah,it is real.USAF and NASA tried to covered it up until someone exposed it to the public,then they said it's a hoax.

It might shaped like a submarine/cruiser but it is not a cruiser,that actually is a huge mothership located on the dark side of the Moon!! around 500 meters in height,it makes Queen Mary II looks like a midget vessel,try to search in YouTube.NASA also found several old,really old Moon bases,again on the dark side of the Moon not too far from the mothership.USAF keeps a secret exchange with extraterrestrial intelligences since the Roswell Incident in 1947 and has been developing classified projects such as high-tech weapons,aircrafts and spacecrafts with them in underground facilities all over the United States.


that is also something william cooper made claims about. when he was still alive, his credentials in naval intelligence were legit. he claimed there's an underground base in the four corners region, on an indian reservation. having driven around that part of the country many times, i've seen some gnarly stuff in the skies around there. some if the times, i'm sure, have been either military or civilian aircraft. the other times, though, i'm not too sure what the hell was flying around.

I think we can all agree that the government is hiding something. It may sound crazy, idiotic, foolish... whatever, but there's certainly something that's been going for the past several decades. We just don't know what it is, and probably will not any time soon.

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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Creature of the Wheel wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Adriano87 wrote...

Is that derelict cruiser on moon real?!


Yeah,it is real.USAF and NASA tried to covered it up until someone exposed it to the public,then they said it's a hoax.

It might shaped like a submarine/cruiser but it is not a cruiser,that actually is a huge mothership located on the dark side of the Moon!! around 500 meters in height,it makes Queen Mary II looks like a midget vessel,try to search in YouTube.NASA also found several old,really old Moon bases,again on the dark side of the Moon not too far from the mothership.USAF keeps a secret exchange with extraterrestrial intelligences since the Roswell Incident in 1947 and has been developing classified projects such as high-tech weapons,aircrafts and spacecrafts with them in underground facilities all over the United States.


that is also something william cooper made claims about. when he was still alive, his credentials in naval intelligence were legit. he claimed there's an underground base in the four corners region, on an indian reservation. having driven around that part of the country many times, i've seen some gnarly stuff in the skies around there. some if the times, i'm sure, have been either military or civilian aircraft. the other times, though, i'm not too sure what the hell was flying around.

I think we can all agree that the government is hiding something. It may sound crazy, idiotic, foolish... whatever, but there's certainly something that's been going for the past several decades. We just don't know what it is, and probably will not any time soon.



alien ufo disclosure is slowly  happening as we speak, have you watched any newscasts latley? now its ufo sightings thats been reported for over a month straight. i remember watching larry king live 2 years ago on the 4th of july and government officials said full disclosure will happen in 4 years wich means 2012.

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That's not something I would take too seriously, Tazz. By my last post, I meant that there's something the government is hiding. What it is is anyone's guess.

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That's not something I would take too seriously, Tazz. By my last post, I meant that there's something the government is hiding. What it is is anyone's guess.




wich would be our lovley government has indeed experimented with alien technology. realisticly speaking when they announce all these new technologies are they finally gona admit that they got it from aliens or will they admit they stole it? i have no issue admitting alot of the ufo sightings are in fact government experimental craft but the world itself has to be prepared when the truth of the other ufos is revealed

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It has been said that the Roswell incident is how we managed to jump this far in technology for the last 50 years; it has been said that we are being monitored by aliens as nothing more than test subjects; it has been said that we made contact with an alien intelligence as early as 40 years ago. And it has been said that life is so constructed that an event does not, cannot, will not, match the expectation.

We know nothing, Tazz. We're basically chasing a mirage when it comes to this very topic. You've got all kinds of ideas, all kinds of opinions, and all kinds of everything. This is because we know nothing, but it's in our very nature to be so inquisitive. As I remarked in my first post in here, even if the government does know something, they're not letting us know any time soon. Instead, they'll just keep laughing at our speculation and guesses. In fact, we may never know what they've been hiding.

Sad, but that's reality. It simply leaves a lot to the imagination.

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Tazzmission wrote...

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Nothing. You are in a science vs religion argument and these never work out. Tazzmission simply wants to believe. The only thing to do is to smile, wish him the best and move on...



this isnt a science or religion debate i said that both of those subjects is what devide the world. imo if people wanna get answers both sides have to unite and search together. and you make it sound like if everything you said is fact. come on ggreg you have all the answers right? tell me where is this link that shows we humans evolved from apes. even better prove global warming. global warming is a theory itself and yet you believe it and make it sound like if there is actual evidence. the truth is people like you wont admit it because you will realise you and basicly all scientists are afraid that its true you all dont know everything. expressing your option is one thing ggreg but dont twist around what i posted . and i would hate to see this thread closed because you yourself cant stop yourself from twisting every little thing that i said


As I said, this kind of debate is rarely productive, but if you're willing to invest your time, who am I to say no? But, this is going to be rather winded. Apologies in advance.


The reason I called it a religion vs science debate is that it seems to me that you really want to believe in aliens and UFOs. So you search for any scrap of doubt and hold it up as a proof. And it is not, a doubt is simply a doubt, nothing more.

So to address various points you raise:

1. No, science obviously does not have all the right answers. And hopefully never will, because if we explain everything that would be the end of science. The very strength and success of science relies on the fact that it is always ready to adjust and accommodate new theories.

But saying "I think Big Bang never happened" does not constitute a scientific theory. Not by a long shot. Who knows, maybe it never happened, but to overturn an established theory supported by a lot of evidence you need to present one hell of an argument. I would also recommend some reading on things like falsifiability.

Moreover, when we encounter something that science cannot explain, it does not automatically mean that are aliens (or ghosts, or psychics) in it. It simply means that we encountered a new unexplained phenomenon. We'll work on it and perhaps tomorrow or in a decade or in a century, we'll explain it. Patience. There is an awful lot of things that we cannot explain right now, but again that does not mean anything except that there are things that we cannot explain.

2. Humans did not really evolve from apes. We simply have a common ancestor. By the same token as we have a common ancestor with squirrels, snakes, sharks and, as far as we know, every living organism on this planet. And it is not a question of belief, this is simply the best theory explaining the origin of humans (and life) that we have right now. Heck, tomorrow we might get a better one. But again, overturning an established theory that provides useful explanations and is backed up by considerable evidence requires presenting better evidence. Do you have it?

3. Global warming is an interesting case. As far as we can tell, the planet is getting warmer. We have climate measurements to show it. Our best theory at the moment is that we are causing the warming. Is it the only possible explanation? No, it isn't, but at the moment it is the best one we have. Will it turn out to be wrong? Well, I really hope so because humanity is pretty bad in acting before a disaster strikes. But, frankly, I wouldn't hold my breath for it. The case for global warming is pretty strong and if I was a betting man, I'd bet for it. But we don't have to bet, we'll just wait and see...

4. As for things being "only a theory," again, I would recommend reading up on what a scientific theory is and what properties it needs to be considered so. Karl Popper would be a good guy to start with.

5. About scientists being afraid, I think you underestimate science and scientists. In its rather short existence, science accepted a number of absolutely revolutionary theories. Shall I give examples? I would even say that science is by its nature revolutionary and if you present a strong case, it'll accept things that are fairly mind-boggling.

And why would we be afraid? The first dude that proves existence of extra-terrestrial life has a Nobel prize and a place in history guaranteed. What's so scary about that? Scientists risked and are risking life and limb in pursuit of knowledge, what's so scary about aliens for crying out loud? You have something that remotely resembles evidence, send it over, I always wanted a Nobel prize.

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There's a vast difference between being classically Skeptical, as opposed to openly derisive, vis-a-vis the whole tinfoil hats thing. Now hear this! There are no tinfoil hats! They're aluminium!

I think the UK still calls it that, aluminium. An American Aluminum siding salesman, I think, is credited with Americanizing it out of a constant mispronunciation. Silly Americans! (Born and raised in the USA, btw.)

I have followed the UFO investigations pretty much since I can read. Why? And as importantly, why do I believe?

I had an experience when I was about 4. (I can remember pretty clearly most of my life back to about 18 months of age) It was during a storm when I was living in Bremerton, Washington. We lived on a Navy base that was also one of the Navy's larger Ammo Depots on the West Coast. It was maybe the summer of 1965, so I was almost 5 by then.

The storm was great! I always have liked lightning storms. And the base had lightning rods EVERYWHERE! (It was an ammo depot, wouldn't do to spark off those bunkers, now would it?)

Then our power just started going wonky, wavering and browning, then surging. This happened for far too long to be just an electrical discharge (though at that time I didn't know that.)

Then the power just went, Bloop! Out. And there was this humming. You could feel it as well as hear it. It raised the hair on your arms and head. Not in a scared way, but like static discharge.

And that's when my 2nd oldest brother and I noticed that there was a bright green tinted glow to the night.
So we both opened the front door and stepped out onto the porch. Overhead, I don't really know how far up, was this huge disc of aquamarine hovering close to where the power lines that fed our whole neighborhood were. If I had to guess, I'd say it was probably -- around a 100 feet in diameter? Maybe? Hard to say.

Was it an alien spacecraft? I don't know. Was it extraterrestrial? I don't know. Was it manmade? No fricking way, man. No fricking way. I recall getting ready to step off the porch and start heading for it when my brother grabbed me by the arm and yanked me back inside and slammed the door shut. Then he closed the curtains and started crying. Up to that point, I wasn't scared at all. But when I saw my 7 year old brother start crying, that's when I got scared.

I've had two other similar sightings in my life.

Are they from another planet? Couldn't tell ya. Could they be time travellers? I suppose. Were those things of alien manufacture in the sense that they were not naturally occurring objects and had to be created by an intelligence? I'd have to say yes to that.

That skepticism should be a two-way street and it's not. The "scientific" community is actually pretty smart, but is just as biased about what it will accept as 'science' as the 'pseudo-science' they laughingly scorn.

Who are we to say, in our relatively ignorant position in the universe what we can and cannot detect? Who's to say that, even in some of the most rigorous science, some fudging doesn't occur? And, with all that we have learned in just the last 100 years, we should not be so ready to proclaim that we are at the knowable pinnacle of universal knowledge.

History, if anything, tells us a far different story. We are talking about a society and race that used to burn people who heard voices and called them witches. We are talking about a race and a history that has seen the Great Library at Alexandria burn for no other reason than to watch it burn -- losing texts, scrolls, and papyrus' of inestimable value to history and learning. We are talking about the same race of beings who, in the last 160 years in this country closed the US Patent Office not once, but Twice(!), because everything that could possibly be invented had been.

In this day and age we find it laughable that people used to say, "If man were meant to fly, God would have given him wings!" Only a hundred and seven years ago, there were a couple of bicycle mechanics who proved the scientific community wrong about powered flight, on the very same day that an erudite group of learned scholars and experts were giving lectures on how such a thing was clearly just not possible to do.

So. Are there aliens visiting this planet? Personally I think so, but I have no way to prove it or disprove it.

Is faster than light travel possible? It is indicated that it might very well be, with a greater understanding of quantum mechanics. Can we transmit instantaneously across the vast reaches of the Galaxy? Maybe using elements of as yet not understood properties, or as yet undeveloped mechanisms, we can. You may not be able to slowly approach and then pass the speed of light, but a quantum shift may allow such a thing with sufficient technological leaps of science, production and applied materials.

I think the historical record is pretty clear. We're pretty smart, but we're also, on the whole, pitiably arrogant, ignorant and not just skeptical, we are simply unbelieving of some things because we've been told, time and again, that it's just not possible.

I believe we live in an Impossible World, where things that we cannot yet explain happen with alarming frequency. And because we cannot explain them -- in some cases, barely imagine them -- they are dismissed out of hand, scoffed at, and made fun of.

You know, when Marco Polo got back to Italy and showed the people paper money, no-one could believe it. It was pretty, sure, but that couldn't possibly represent 10 gold talents. No way. So they burned them while at the same time tried to burn some gold coins to prove that the paper money wasn't 'really' money.

Me? I believe. I have studied, following Project Blue Book, MUFON and CUFOS and several others (I have sort of lost interest, because if there really were going to be some sort of 'proof positive' event, it should have happened by now in my estimation, though am willing to wait a bit longer -- just not holding my breath.)

Much of what has been sighted is identifiable as natural phenomenon. Some are clearly hoaxes and shams. Others are military projects, allowed to be speculated as UFOs because that helps keep the project under cover. Then there is about 8-12% or so of the thousands upon thousands of sightings that simply cannot be explained.

So go ahead, put on your Aluminium Foil hats, scoff, laugh and deride. I think the folks on the 'believer' side of things have learned to accept that. On the other side of the coin, though, I think they're still trying to prove that powered flight is impossible while burning paper money to show it's not really money. And that's not Skepticism, it's sheer lack of ability to even accept the premise in the first place.

There really does have to be a middle ground somewhere. I have no idea how to go about getting there, but I am pretty sure that it doesn't involve making fun of the other side of the debate, or of ignoring the very valid and well researched information the scientific side of the debate can offer up. Those explanations reduce a lot of the 'dead weight' of the information. After all that, though, there is still stuff that simply cannot be explained.

So far, the Scientific Community's attitude has been, "If we cannot explain it, it doesn't exist." And that's not a new way of doing things. It's that natural bias SFT referred to. It does cut both ways, unlike the Skepticism. I think being Skeptical is the key component to greater understanding on both sides. Both sides could well do without the dogmatic approach that treats their particular point of view as more correct than the other.

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grregg wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

grregg wrote...

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Nothing. You are in a science vs religion argument and these never work out. Tazzmission simply wants to believe. The only thing to do is to smile, wish him the best and move on...



this isnt a science or religion debate i said that both of those subjects is what devide the world. imo if people wanna get answers both sides have to unite and search together. and you make it sound like if everything you said is fact. come on ggreg you have all the answers right? tell me where is this link that shows we humans evolved from apes. even better prove global warming. global warming is a theory itself and yet you believe it and make it sound like if there is actual evidence. the truth is people like you wont admit it because you will realise you and basicly all scientists are afraid that its true you all dont know everything. expressing your option is one thing ggreg but dont twist around what i posted . and i would hate to see this thread closed because you yourself cant stop yourself from twisting every little thing that i said


As I said, this kind of debate is rarely productive, but if you're willing to invest your time, who am I to say no? But, this is going to be rather winded. Apologies in advance.


The reason I called it a religion vs science debate is that it seems to me that you really want to believe in aliens and UFOs. So you search for any scrap of doubt and hold it up as a proof. And it is not, a doubt is simply a doubt, nothing more.

So to address various points you raise:

1. No, science obviously does not have all the right answers. And hopefully never will, because if we explain everything that would be the end of science. The very strength and success of science relies on the fact that it is always ready to adjust and accommodate new theories.

But saying "I think Big Bang never happened" does not constitute a scientific theory. Not by a long shot. Who knows, maybe it never happened, but to overturn an established theory supported by a lot of evidence you need to present one hell of an argument. I would also recommend some reading on things like falsifiability.

Moreover, when we encounter something that science cannot explain, it does not automatically mean that are aliens (or ghosts, or psychics) in it. It simply means that we encountered a new unexplained phenomenon. We'll work on it and perhaps tomorrow or in a decade or in a century, we'll explain it. Patience. There is an awful lot of things that we cannot explain right now, but again that does not mean anything except that there are things that we cannot explain.

2. Humans did not really evolve from apes. We simply have a common ancestor. By the same token as we have a common ancestor with squirrels, snakes, sharks and, as far as we know, every living organism on this planet. And it is not a question of belief, this is simply the best theory explaining the origin of humans (and life) that we have right now. Heck, tomorrow we might get a better one. But again, overturning an established theory that provides useful explanations and is backed up by considerable evidence requires presenting better evidence. Do you have it?

3. Global warming is an interesting case. As far as we can tell, the planet is getting warmer. We have climate measurements to show it. Our best theory at the moment is that we are causing the warming. Is it the only possible explanation? No, it isn't, but at the moment it is the best one we have. Will it turn out to be wrong? Well, I really hope so because humanity is pretty bad in acting before a disaster strikes. But, frankly, I wouldn't hold my breath for it. The case for global warming is pretty strong and if I was a betting man, I'd bet for it. But we don't have to bet, we'll just wait and see...

4. As for things being "only a theory," again, I would recommend reading up on what a scientific theory is and what properties it needs to be considered so. Karl Popper would be a good guy to start with.

5. About scientists being afraid, I think you underestimate science and scientists. In its rather short existence, science accepted a number of absolutely revolutionary theories. Shall I give examples? I would even say that science is by its nature revolutionary and if you present a strong case, it'll accept things that are fairly mind-boggling.

And why would we be afraid? The first dude that proves existence of extra-terrestrial life has a Nobel prize and a place in history guaranteed. What's so scary about that? Scientists risked and are risking life and limb in pursuit of knowledge, what's so scary about aliens for crying out loud? You have something that remotely resembles evidence, send it over, I always wanted a Nobel prize.



what my statement and where i stand on the whole being afraid issue is will people acknowledge that a higher species are indeed peacefull or will these same people be so crushed that it diminishes there faith in religion or diminish to what they bring to the scientific world? not everyone is gona sit back nd go hey lets all hug one another AND embrace eachother. if and when the et life subject is fully admited how will people of this world react? will they look at life in a new diffrent way that seems scary to them or will they continue living the way they do now?

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wait, what?! global warming is only a theory?! every where i hear about it people talk about it like its a fact.

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what my statement and where i stand on the whole being afraid issue is will people acknowledge that a higher species are indeed peacefull or will these same people be so crushed that it diminishes there faith in religion or diminish to what they bring to the scientific world? not everyone is gona sit back nd go hey lets all hug one another AND embrace eachother. if and when the et life subject is fully admited how will people of this world react? will they look at life in a new diffrent way that seems scary to them or will they continue living the way they do now?


Apologies but again I cannot understand what you just wrote. Can you please re-phrase? Clarify?

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wait, what?! global warming is only a theory?! every where i hear about it people talk about it like its a fact.

This is slightly off topic from the OP but global warming is not a theory.  It is theory as to whether it is strictly due to human intervention or not and how much.  Earth has been going through warming and cooling periods for millions of years.  Technically earth has been warming ever since the last ice age and it sure didn't have anything to do with humanity.

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There really does have to be a middle ground somewhere. I have no idea how to go about getting there, but I am pretty sure that it doesn't involve making fun of the other side of the debate, or of ignoring the very valid and well researched information the scientific side of the debate can offer up. Those explanations reduce a lot of the 'dead weight' of the information. After all that, though, there is still stuff that simply cannot be explained.

So far, the Scientific Community's attitude has been, "If we cannot explain it, it doesn't exist." And that's not a new way of doing things. It's that natural bias SFT referred to. It does cut both ways, unlike the Skepticism. I think being Skeptical is the key component to greater understanding on both sides. Both sides could well do without the dogmatic approach that treats their particular point of view as more correct than the other.

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So far, the Scientific Community's attitude has been, "If we cannot explain it, it doesn't exist." And that's not a new way of doing things. It's that natural bias SFT referred to.

Yeah - not really.  If this was the case there would be no scientific progression at all. 

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So far, the Scientific Community's attitude has been, "If we cannot explain it, it doesn't exist." And that's not a new way of doing things. It's that natural bias SFT referred to.

Yeah - not really.  If this was the case there would be no scientific progression at all. 

Only Adventurous Scientists have advanced the Technology to this contemporary Situation, others are just consuming these Theories and Sciences

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Strangely Brown wrote...

dunniteowl wrote...

So far, the Scientific Community's attitude has been, "If we cannot explain it, it doesn't exist." And that's not a new way of doing things. It's that natural bias SFT referred to.

Yeah - not really.  If this was the case there would be no scientific progression at all. 


I was about to write the same thing. Science is pretty much all about trying to explain things. Heck, ask any scientist and he'll recite a long list of things in his field that we don't understand. If science was pretending that unexplainable things do not exist, we'd be still banging rocks together.

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So far, the Scientific Community's attitude has been, "If we cannot explain it, it doesn't exist." And that's not a new way of doing things. It's that natural bias SFT referred to.

Yeah - not really.  If this was the case there would be no scientific progression at all. 

Only Adventurous Scientists have advanced the Technology to this contemporary Situation, others are just consuming these Theories and Sciences

So what.  Science is science.  And I think all science is adventurous. 

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dunniteowl wrote...

So far, the Scientific Community's attitude has been, "If we cannot explain it, it doesn't exist."


That is complete and utter bull****. Keep acting the victim if it makes you feel better, but this is just so uninformed it's absurd.