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[cMaxim23]

 

[Sand King]

Stuff Posing As Meat.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

He's not as evil as he's made to seem... and I don't HAATE him... but I wouldn't leave him with little children either.

Think of the children.


I think the warrior in all of us is impressed with TIM and long for the day we can do battle against him.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 11 octobre 2010 - 07:32 .

[AntiChri5]

I will stop hating him when he stops pointlessly killing humans and then claiming he is doing so to protect humanity.

[Hyper_gateway]

Why should I hate him? He brought Shepard back....lol



Seriously, this kind of person have to exist somehow from time to time.

[Mox Ruuga]

TIM is a controversial figure by design, just like Jack and (most likely) Miranda.

As long as he's not hated by 100% of the fanbase (or 100% loved), the writers have succeeded. Considering most of us play exclusive Paragon or Paragade Shepards, it's natural there's more TIM hate than TIM admiration.

[Casuist]

"Yes, he is a thief. And a terrorist. On the other hand, he has a tremendous singing voice."



...just imagine it's Jack Nicholson saying it.



I also have it on high authority he's been known to pet cute bunnies.

[008Zulu]

In his Shadowbroker dossier, he regularly gets it on with the Humanities hottest girls. He cant be all evil. Unless you accept the trope that Evil is Sexy.



But yeah, I dont hate him.

[Godeskian]

Because issuing orders on the internet has such a high success rate....

[Gibb_Shepard]

008Zulu wrote...

In his Shadowbroker dossier, he regularly gets it on with the Humanities hottest girls. He cant be all evil. Unless you accept the trope that Evil is Sexy.

But yeah, I dont hate him.

He seems to have the hots for matriarchs aswell. I guess not even Mr. human-dominance-at-all-costs can resist the asari.

[Christmas Ape]

tIM is iconic of "Terrible Choices For Perfect Reasons", whichever side of the mixed morality scale that's supposed to be. It's just that he's genuinely playing the billions game. Shepard likes to make the claim, but at the end of the day a person's moral compass isn't suited to a challenge like that; at best you can play it for dozens, but more likely you're making decisions you'll feel good about tomorrow. tIM accepts having to bloody his hands to the shoulder because it doesn't matter how uncomfortable he is, he's here for the species. Ten scientists on a derelict Reaper aren't the species, fifty Marines aren't the species, a few thousand children with cancer aren't the species. Cerberus is our genophage, our ruthlessly considered war crime to save a million times more than it claims. It must be so, and it must be him.

[Terraneaux]

Christmas Ape wrote...

tIM is iconic of "Terrible Choices For Perfect Reasons", whichever side of the mixed morality scale that's supposed to be. It's just that he's genuinely playing the billions game. Shepard likes to make the claim, but at the end of the day a person's moral compass isn't suited to a challenge like that; at best you can play it for dozens, but more likely you're making decisions you'll feel good about tomorrow. tIM accepts having to bloody his hands to the shoulder because it doesn't matter how uncomfortable he is, he's here for the species. Ten scientists on a derelict Reaper aren't the species, fifty Marines aren't the species, a few thousand children with cancer aren't the species. Cerberus is our genophage, our ruthlessly considered war crime to save a million times more than it claims. It must be so, and it must be him.

I'm sure he tells himself that to get to sleep at night.  I don't buy it.

[AntiChri5]

Things like Condeming a few thousand children to death or cancer needs a damn good justification, one that TIM is yet to provide.

[GodWood]

He's not a good guy.

But the way paragons treat him like he's a worse threat then the Reapers is silly.

[Mox Ruuga]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Things like Condeming a few thousand children to death or cancer needs a damn good justification, one that TIM is yet to provide.

That's the weakness of the writing. TIM supposedly not "knowing" about these "rogue" cells. And Shepard not being allowed to call this BS. It makes me think less of both TIM and Shep.

IF those experiments had had some discernible purpose to them, I could sort of buy it. But why turn a human colony into husks? Instead of, say, Turian or Batarian prisoners? Why unleash Thresher Maws on Alliance marines, instead of hiring, say, the Blood Pack on false pretenses and watching from afar? It would make more sense, while still being morally questionable/outright reprehensible.

Experimenting on Jack and the Overlord project... Yeah, I can see why they would do it. It's hideous, but there's a method to the madness.

[Christmas Ape]

Terraneaux wrote...
I'm sure he tells himself that to get to sleep at night.  I don't buy it.

So is your counter-argument that he's completely oblivious to the content of all operations not directly involving Shepard, motivated by pure sociopathic pleasure in death (a trait evidently shared by some of the wealthiest humans alive - his backers), or a double agent working to exterminate the human race a few dozen at a time?

AntiChri5 wrote...
Things like condeming a few thousand children to death or cancer needs a damn good justification, one that TIM is yet to provide.

Cancer's curable in the 2100s, for one, and how many do you think we'd lose if humanity had no experience with biotics and the galactic political situation came to war? The first stages of researching a weapon every potential enemy already understands is a damn good justification when the only way to research it is to weaponize your own citizens.

But why turn a human colony into husks? Instead of, say, turian or batarian prisoners?

What exactly would that tell you about human husks? Begin with the highest probability threat - husks made from humans in situ during an invasion - and when you've researched them examine alien-origined husks for notable differences.

Why unleash Thresher Maws on Alliance Marines, instead of hiring, say, the Blood Pack on false pretenses and watching from afar?

What would that tell you about the effectiveness of Alliance military hardware, training, and tactics against thresher maws? I'm sure there's video footage of Blood Pack taking down a thresher maw on the extranet, so why spend the money to see it again? It's not like we care if krogan and vorcha mercenaries can survive a thresher maw attack, we're concerned about Marines. That is, Marines as a corps, not as individual soldiers.

Modifié par Christmas Ape, 11 octobre 2010 - 08:59 .

[anmiro]

I don't hate TIM, but I don't agree with him either. I'm not going to try and convince anyone that hes evil, but he is viewed by the Alliance as a criminal and I agree. Shepard needs all the allies he can get at the moment and Cerberus is the only party thats doing anything about the Reapers. That being said, once the Reapers have been dealt with and some sense of normalcy is restored to the galaxy, I hope we the players are presented with the opportunity to dismantle this organization and bring TIM to justice.

Modifié par anmiro, 11 octobre 2010 - 09:10 .

[Barquiel]

The op makes some compelling arguments, but I still dislike him.

[GarrusSpectre]

He shares the ideals of current terrorist organisations, on a much grander scale.

[Count Viceroy]

This just reminds me of the LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE fan on youtube.

[Christmas Ape]

GarrusSpectre wrote...

He shares the ideals of current terrorist organisations, on a much grander scale.

"Our people will not be perceived by us as oppressed!"? I guess fair enough, though he does skip the "or we'll murder as many of your people in public as possible" part.

[Cleomer]

GarrusSpectre wrote...

He shares the ideals of current terrorist organisations, on a much grander scale.

... and a few governments.

[Zulu_DFA]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

TIM is a controversial figure by design, just like Jack and (most likely) Miranda.

As long as he's not hated by 100% of the fanbase (or 100% loved), the writers have succeeded. Considering most of us play exclusive Paragon or Paragade Shepards, it's natural there's more TIM hate than TIM admiration.

Than stop playing Paragon!!!

[Therion942]

I have to, there's nobody else in the game for me to hate.
What, you don't expect me to hate Harbinger or the Collectors, do you? I mean I gotta stop them, but they're impossible to hate, sorta like Jacob.

Modifié par Therion942, 11 octobre 2010 - 10:17 .