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[Katamariguy]

M-96=P90
Widow=Beretta M82
Locust=Vector
Shuriken=Glock 18
Cain=M28 Davy Crockett
Grenade launcher=M-32

What do you think?

Modifié par Katamariguy, 11 octobre 2010 - 11:57 .

[godlike13]

M-96=P90

This one's off.


The Mattock more like a M16 or even more like a M14. The Heckler & Koch G3 could also work.

Modifié par godlike13, 11 octobre 2010 - 09:36 .

[Chugster]

I agree that the Mattock is like the M14 EBR...the markmens choice

[Katamariguy]

I'm thinking in more aesthetic terms, the scope, stock, and grip seem quite similar(but with the cain, I couldn't resist).

Modifié par Katamariguy, 11 octobre 2010 - 09:47 .

[fongiel24]

I think the Locust is a better match for the TDI Vector, both in terms of looks and description. If you read its Codex entry, it even sounds eerily similar to the Locust in terms of its engineering and its role.

[Nooneyouknow13]

Katamariguy wrote...

M-96=P90


What do you think?

How in anyway are a semi-auto rifle and an SMG similar enough to be equivalent?

[Mox Ruuga]

Avenger = AK47
Vindicator = M16A2 (with the three shot burst limit)
Mattock = M14 or M1 Garand
Revenant = M60 LMG

[Kronner]

Avenger = AK47?

Avenger sucks and fires spitballs. AK47 is arguably best AR ever made. I just don't see it.

[Mox Ruuga]

Kronner wrote...

Avenger = AK47?
Avenger sucks and fires spitballs. AK47 is arguably best AR ever made. I just don't see it.

Lol, have you ever fired one? Disassembled one? Even held a real one (ie. not a replica) in you hands?

AK47 has many good qualities, but it's not the memetic super weapon fanboys make it out to be.

AK47 IS inaccurate, more so than more modern weapons. While it's bullets are of larger caliber, the NATO standard 5,56mm has greater penetration (tho less stopping power, and can be more easily deflected off course by foliage etc).

[SmokeyNinjas]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Avenger = AK47?
Avenger sucks and fires spitballs. AK47 is arguably best AR ever made. I just don't see it.

Lol, have you ever fired one? Disassembled one? Even held a real one (ie. not a replica) in you hands?

AK47 has many good qualities, but it's not the memetic super weapon fanboys make it out to be.

AK47 IS inaccurate, more so than more modern weapons. While it's bullets are of larger caliber, the NATO standard 5,56mm has greater penetration (tho less stopping power, and can be more easily deflected off course by foliage etc).

Yeah their not the most accurate but their simplicity, reliability & cheap cost makes them popular around the world plus they sound awesome when firing:D.

Still more average then best IMO

[sinosleep]

The AK's inaccuracy is WILDLY overstated. Is it inaccurate compared to an M16? Yes, but that's because the M16 has been one of the most accurate assault rifles in the business since it's inception and can even be used as a sniper rifle in a pinch. So while the m16 may be accurate up to 500 meters, that doesn't make the 300 meter effective range of an AK suddenly something to joke about. The AK is as accurate as it needs to be, since it should be getting used within it's effective range if it's being used as an assault rifle any way.

[Kronner]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Lol, have you ever fired one? Disassembled one? Even held a real one (ie. not a replica) in you hands?

AK47 has many good qualities, but it's not the memetic super weapon fanboys make it out to be.

AK47 IS inaccurate, more so than more modern weapons. While it's bullets are of larger caliber, the NATO standard 5,56mm has greater penetration (tho less stopping power, and can be more easily deflected off course by foliage etc).

Of course I have. I had to be in military for 2 years (was compulsory for all men in my country at that time). I trained with a lot of weapons and AK47 is one of them. It may not be the most accurate or deadliest in the World, but it sure is a hell of a weapon. I think it is the most used AR ever.

My point was that Avenger is the worst AR in the game, by far. AK47 (and its variants) is one of the best/greatest (obviously not the most effective today, considering it was created more than 60 years ago, but in all-time sense) AR ever made and it does not fire spitballs.

Modifié par Kronner, 11 octobre 2010 - 12:24 .

[godlike13]

Collector Assault Rifle would fit better for AK47 IMO. More powerful shots, but a slightly lower rate of fire and is a bit less accurate than the other assault rifles.

M-8, maybe more like the M-4. Less stopping power, but a quicker ROF and a bit better accuracy. Though that could work for the GPR too.

m-15, the m-16A1 possibly

Modifié par godlike13, 11 octobre 2010 - 12:43 .

[VampireCommando]

godlike13 wrote...

Collector Assault Rifle would fit better for AK47 IMO. More powerful shots, but a slightly lower rate of fire and is a bit less accurate than the other assault rifles.

M-8, maybe more like the M-4. Less stopping power, but a quicker ROF and a bit better accuracy. Though that could work for the GPR too.

m-15, the m-16A1 possibly

This.

[Mox Ruuga]

Kronner wrote...

Of course I have. I had to be in military for 2 years (was compulsory for all men in my country at that time). I trained with a lot of weapons and AK47 is one of them. It may not be the most accurate or deadliest in the World, but it sure is a hell of a weapon. I think it is the most used AR ever.

Most used does not mean "the greatest". AK is rugged, powerful enough, and adequately accurate (when not fired from the hip Jihadi style). It is the most used because it is cheap and easy to use. Lots of irregulars and poorer countries have it as their main rifle. Some countries, Finland and Israel included, have created higher quality "copies" that are an improvement over the standard AK.

My point was that Avenger is the worst AR in the game, by far. AK47 (and its variants) is one of the best/greatest (obviously not the most effective today, considering it was created more than 60 years ago, but in all-time sense) AR ever made and it does not fire spitballs.

Worst is a relative term, considering there are just two available in the below Hardcore vanilla game... The Avenger is clearly not the "worst" AR in the ME universe, if you go by fluff text. It's just the worst AR available to Shep's spec ops group. In fact, the weapons' description kinda reads like a "Space AK" would:

"The reliability and effectiveness of the Avenger Assault Rifle in almost any battle condition makes it the weapon of choice for mercenaries and soldiers alike. The Avenger Assault Rifle (and its variants) is a workhorse weapon with low recoil and high accuracy. Its collapsible frame is light, yet substantial, and flexible ammunition load-out allows users to adapt firepower to any opponent-including synthetics."

Ok, well, disregard the "accurate"...  But it's clearly intended as the AK of the Terminus: widely used workhorse weapon, for both mercs and military. What other assault rifle would you pick over the AK for that description?

You seem stuck on the lower damage (spit balls lol)? Very well, consider this the 5,45mm AK then. Supposedly that cartridge wasn't very satisfactory and left soldiers wishing to have the old 7,62 (short) back.

Modifié par Mox Ruuga, 11 octobre 2010 - 01:24 .

[cruc1al]

M-9 Tempest = H&K MP7
M-6 Carnifex = Desert Eagle
M-98 Widow = Barrett M99 (M95 isn't single-shot)

[Kronner]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Worst is a relative term, considering there are just two available in the below Hardcore vanilla game... The Avenger is clearly not the "worst" AR in the ME universe, if you go by fluff text. It's just the worst AR available to Shep's spec ops group. In fact, the weapons' description kinda reads like a "Space AK" would:

"The reliability and effectiveness of the Avenger Assault Rifle in almost any battle condition makes it the weapon of choice for mercenaries and soldiers alike. The Avenger Assault Rifle (and its variants) is a workhorse weapon with low recoil and high accuracy. Its collapsible frame is light, yet substantial, and flexible ammunition load-out allows users to adapt firepower to any opponent-including synthetics."

Ok, well, disregard the "accurate"...  But it's clearly intended as the AK of the Terminus: widely used workhorse weapon, for both mercs and military. What other assault rifle would you pick over the AK for that description?

You seem stuck on the lower damage (spit balls lol)? Very well, consider this the 5,45mm AK then. Supposedly that cartridge wasn't very satisfactory and left soldiers wishing to have the old 7,62 (short) back.

That description is AK47 of ME universe. I fully agree.

Problem is, Avenger is nothing like the description says it is. It has lower damage (hence the spit balls) output than SMG. AK47 is one of the greatest AR ever made - its variants are still used today, like you said and it was inspiration for modern weapons such as Saiga shotgun, which very well may be considered one of the best in the World today.

Modifié par Kronner, 11 octobre 2010 - 01:48 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Kronner wrote...

That description is AK47 of ME universe. I fully agree.

Problem is, Avenger is nothing like the description says it is. It has lower damage (hence the spit balls) output than SMG. AK47 is one of the greatest AR ever made - its variants are still used today, like you said and it was inspiration for modern weapons such as Saiga shotgun, which very well may be considered one of the best in the World today.

Yes, but consider the type of people Shep and his squad are. For an "AK" to have made their list of weapons at all is already kinda flattering. We can guess that the SA80's of the Mass Effect universe (would that be the M7 Lancer?  ) aren't even playable...

For me, Avenger is clearly the AK. Just because it is not the most damaging doesn't invalidate the point. Hell, the "hand cannons" are OP compared to real world pistols as well. We can't map them one to one, trait per trait. The AK equivalent of ME universe does less damage than the SMGs. So be it, it's still the AK equivalent of ME universe: simple, rugged, in widespread use with mercs and military both.

[Flamewielder]

Katamariguy wrote...
I'm thinking in more aesthetic terms, the scope, stock, and grip seem quite similar(but with the cain, I couldn't resist).

Yes, I love the M-28 (and M-29)... It's the perfect illustration of how surreal an arms race can become when developpers focus on performance and forget about the realities of a battlefield. It was deployed and remained in service until some officer in the Pentagon finally realized they had essentially put a nuclear weapon in the hands of a sergeant instead of the President...

And you'll notice the effective letality radius of the weapon (400m) vs its maximum range (2000m)... using my best Mordin voice: "Accurate ranging critical... implications of round falling short unpleasant."

As for the M-98 Widow, I'd propose the Denel NTW-20 because it is a bolt-action rifle, rather than the semi-automatic Barrett M82. The NTW-20 is quite bulky and normally requires a bipod for firing (unless you're a cyborg like Shepard)...Thank ME for collapsible guns!

[OniGanon]

godlike13 wrote...
Collector Assault Rifle would fit better for AK47 IMO. More powerful shots, but a slightly lower rate of fire and is a bit less accurate than the other assault rifles.

I know jack all about real guns and don't have the CAR, but I was under the impression it was the weakest DPS of all the ARs, but had excellent Locust-like accuracy.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kronner wrote...

Avenger = AK47?
Avenger sucks and fires spitballs. AK47 is arguably best AR ever made. I just don't see it.

Well, no, actually, your description of the Avenger is pretty close to the AK47's real behavior, as opposed to the odd mythology that has built up around it.  It's a tough gun with sloppy tolerances, that can survive and function through a lot of abuse.  Most AK47s are inaccurate, and they jump wildly in full-auto when compared to many NATO designs.  The round is undercharged for its size, and doesn't hit as hard as people give it credit for.

(I base that on comments and information from someone who has faced AK47s in real combat and has fired captured pieces, and from someone else who has been working with firearms and urban combat training for something like 15 years.)



EDIT:  Spelling.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 11 octobre 2010 - 05:17 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Flamewielder wrote...

Katamariguy wrote...
I'm thinking in more aesthetic terms, the scope, stock, and grip seem quite similar(but with the cain, I couldn't resist).

Yes, I love the M-28 (and M-29)... It's the perfect illustration of how surreal an arms race can become when developpers focus on performance and forget about the realities of a battlefield. It was deployed and remained in service until some officer in the Pentagon finally realized they had essentially put a nuclear weapon in the hands of a sergeant instead of the President...

And you'll notice the effective letality radius of the weapon (400m) vs its maximum range (2000m)... using my best Mordin voice: "Accurate ranging critical... implications of round falling short unpleasant."

As for the M-98 Widow, I'd propose the Denel NTW-20 because it is a bolt-action rifle, rather than the semi-automatic Barrett M82. The NTW-20 is quite bulky and normally requires a bipod for firing (unless you're a cyborg like Shepard)...Thank ME for collapsible guns!

You nailed the Morden delivery on that. 

[Harley_Dude]

Locust = UMP

Revenant = SAW or maybe the bullpup the British use

Widow = Barrett

Carniflex = Deagle

Evi = SPAS

M300 = M79





I would go with the Avenger being the AK since it is most prevelant and the Vindicator the M-16 since it is burst.

[Killjoy Cutter]

fongiel24 wrote...

I think the Locust is a better match for the TDI Vector, both in terms of looks and description. If you read its Codex entry, it even sounds eerily similar to the Locust in terms of its engineering and its role.

Isn't the second (real) weapon also known as the KRISS?

[godlike13]

Katana, SPAS
Scimitar, Benelli M4
Evi, a 10 gauge magnum
Claymore, Punt gun

Modifié par godlike13, 11 octobre 2010 - 05:34 .