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[saruman85]

Zjarcal wrote...
I've heard of this but I have never been able to get it in my games. The wiki says that if he survives he leads the "Silver Order", although it does state that it "needs confirmation".

Isn't the guy who leads the "Silver Order"  that Alec person whom you can spare in one of your "play the Arl" sessions? The one who goes on to become a famous knight etc etc?

But yeah, the only way I've seen to spare Varel is to save Amaranthine, in which case he's not mentioned. You're still going to have to mention him retiring, errant, cos Garevel takes over as seneschal in Golems

[Zjarcal]

saruman85 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
I've heard of this but I have never been able to get it in my games. The wiki says that if he survives he leads the "Silver Order", although it does state that it "needs confirmation".

Isn't the guy who leads the "Silver Order"  that Alec person whom you can spare in one of your "play the Arl" sessions? The one who goes on to become a famous knight etc etc?

But yeah, the only way I've seen to spare Varel is to save Amaranthine, in which case he's not mentioned. You're still going to have to mention him retiring, errant, cos Garevel takes over as seneschal in Golems

That's what the epilogue states, I know, but the wiki says that this is also a possibility (though it's not confirmed).

Perhaps if you kill Alec and save Amaranthine this is the result?

[errant_knight]

Zjarcal wrote...

saruman85 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
I've heard of this but I have never been able to get it in my games. The wiki says that if he survives he leads the "Silver Order", although it does state that it "needs confirmation".

Isn't the guy who leads the "Silver Order"  that Alec person whom you can spare in one of your "play the Arl" sessions? The one who goes on to become a famous knight etc etc?

But yeah, the only way I've seen to spare Varel is to save Amaranthine, in which case he's not mentioned. You're still going to have to mention him retiring, errant, cos Garevel takes over as seneschal in Golems

That's what the epilogue states, I know, but the wiki says that this is also a possibility (though it's not confirmed).

Perhaps if you kill Alec and save Amaranthine this is the result?

But didn't someone say they got a letter from Varel in Golems?

[CalJones]

Well you wouldn't have to kill Alec - you could just have him flogged rather than enlisting him in the army. However, I'm not sure it'd make any difference.

I tend to think Varel's survival is just a matter of someone misreading an epilogue or the letter in Golems (Garavel and Varel are quite similar names). Which is a shame because Varel's a silver fox. Rawr.

[errant_knight]

Well, I need Garvarel and Varel both alive, so....*lalala-AU-lalal*

[Sabariel]

errant_knight wrote...

Does any one know what the circumstances are that allow for Varel's survival?

Don't choose the Keep over Amaranthine. The only time I ever got a slide where Varel lived was when I saved Amaranthine. Varel ended up leading my Silverite soldiers. Not sure what other requirements there are.

[errant_knight]

Sabariel wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Does any one know what the circumstances are that allow for Varel's survival?

Don't choose the Keep over Amaranthine. The only time I ever got a slide where Varel lived was when I saved Amaranthine. Varel ended up leading my Silverite soldiers. Not sure what other requirements there are.

Hmmm.... I wonder if Varel lived in the one playthrough I did? I was so irritated by the ending, I really wasn't paying attention. I have to do a second playthrough to fix a bunch of bugs I ran into, like not being able to trigger Sighrun's quest so I have to play it again. I'll pay attention this time. Thanks for the info--that does confirm that it's possible, though, which is more than we knew before.

[Zjarcal]

errant_knight wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Does any one know what the circumstances are that allow for Varel's survival?

Don't choose the Keep over Amaranthine. The only time I ever got a slide where Varel lived was when I saved Amaranthine. Varel ended up leading my Silverite soldiers. Not sure what other requirements there are.

Hmmm.... I wonder if Varel lived in the one playthrough I did? I was so irritated by the ending, I really wasn't paying attention. I have to do a second playthrough to fix a bunch of bugs I ran into, like not being able to trigger Sighrun's quest so I have to play it again. I'll pay attention this time. Thanks for the info--that does confirm that it's possible, though, which is more than we knew before.

I still think if this is possible, it would only be if you don't conscript Alec (have him flogged or killed), since otherwise he will take over the Silver Order.

I will also try this on my next run of Awakening.

[CalJones]

Please confirm if you do.

[errant_knight]

Zjarcal wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Does any one know what the circumstances are that allow for Varel's survival?

Don't choose the Keep over Amaranthine. The only time I ever got a slide where Varel lived was when I saved Amaranthine. Varel ended up leading my Silverite soldiers. Not sure what other requirements there are.

Hmmm.... I wonder if Varel lived in the one playthrough I did? I was so irritated by the ending, I really wasn't paying attention. I have to do a second playthrough to fix a bunch of bugs I ran into, like not being able to trigger Sighrun's quest so I have to play it again. I'll pay attention this time. Thanks for the info--that does confirm that it's possible, though, which is more than we knew before.

I still think if this is possible, it would only be if you don't conscript Alec (have him flogged or killed), since otherwise he will take over the Silver Order.

I will also try this on my next run of Awakening.

Hmmm. That would be rather irritating. Varel's life or death shouldn't depend on whether there's a job opening.

[Arthur Cousland]

Too bad you can't just kill fast in one area and rush to save the other. Your crew gets so ridiculously overpowered within a few levels in Awakening, that it should be feasible.

[errant_knight]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Too bad you can't just kill fast in one area and rush to save the other. Your crew gets so ridiculously overpowered within a few levels in Awakening, that it should be feasible.

I certainly expected to go to the Vigil, not be shuffled off the the next battle willy-nilly. Of course, I didn't think I was anywhere near the end of the game. But, yeah, the army is going to be attacking whatever, so I didn't see why we couldn't deal with them before attacking the brood mother. It didn't make any sense to me.

Modifié par errant_knight, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:37 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...
I certainly expected to go to the Vigil, not be shuffled off the the next battle willy-nilly. Of course, I didn't think I was anywhere near the end of the game. But, yeah, the army is going to be attacking whatever, so I didn't see why we couldn't deal with them before attacking the brood mother. It didn't make any sense to me.

So you can take advantage of the Architect attacking the Mother and not waste time and ressources trying to fight her army that is bogged down far away from her lair. Makes perfect sense.
It's striking the head while it's busy fending off the Architect.  

[errant_knight]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
I certainly expected to go to the Vigil, not be shuffled off the the next battle willy-nilly. Of course, I didn't think I was anywhere near the end of the game. But, yeah, the army is going to be attacking whatever, so I didn't see why we couldn't deal with them before attacking the brood mother. It didn't make any sense to me.

So you can take advantage of the Architect attacking the Mother and not waste time and ressources trying to fight her army that is bogged down far away from her lair. Makes perfect sense.
It's striking the head while it's busy fending off the Architect.  

Or you could fight her army at the Vigil, which is going to happen anyway, and take care of her afterwards, letting her and the Architect diminish each others forces first, making both easier to destroy.

Modifié par errant_knight, 13 octobre 2010 - 04:38 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...
Or you could fight her army at the Vigil, which is going to happen anyway, and take care of her afterwards.

A fully upgraded vigil has her army break on the walls and it's mop up after that, so it woudn't be the same. You would be fighting an army that hasen't been broken yet. 
And you would be missing the opportunity to strike while she is fighting the Architect, possibly giving her time to recuperate.

The darkspawn can revitalise their numbers too quickly, so waiting and letting them fight each other will not wield the same results as you going in when they are too busy fighting each other.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 octobre 2010 - 04:43 .

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I agree that the ending was abrupt.

But if they allowed us to go back to the Vigil after the victory, we would have seen Varel dead, the Keep barely standing, and also the bodies of companions who didn't make it. Which of course will make the game "feel less like a win" for some.

Would have been epic for me though. Victory without sacrifice is worthless.

First time through Awakening I decided to save Amaranthine. Second time through I burned Amaranthine and saved Vigil's Keep. And saving Vigil's Keep is about 1000X more epic than slogging through Amaranthine, IMO. 

But going back to Vigil's Keep, especially if you abandoned it should have been in there, and maybe have the Wardens that saved Vigil's Keep have to go back to a burned out Amaranthine. Seeing your consequences and all that.

[Zjarcal]

Brockololly wrote...

First time through Awakening I decided to save Amaranthine. Second time through I burned Amaranthine and saved Vigil's Keep. And saving Vigil's Keep is about 1000X more epic than slogging through Amaranthine, IMO. 

But going back to Vigil's Keep, especially if you abandoned it should have been in there, and maybe have the Wardens that saved Vigil's Keep have to go back to a burned out Amaranthine. Seeing your consequences and all that.

Soooooooo true!

Going back to a burned Amaranthine would've been great, especially if there were some survivors (unlikely though) cursing at you for your decision.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea, the battle of Amaranthine could have been so much better. And am I the only one who finds it a bit stupid that you can burn an entire city made of *stone* in a matter of seconds? But eh, when I make that choice, I rp that I used Dworkin's explosives.

[Zjarcal]

OMG, I also RP'd that!



Seriously, you throw a few fire arrows and some burning rocks and that's it? The whole city instantly goes kablooey? Nah.



Amaranthine got the Dworkin treatment in the games where I choose to let it burn.

[Zjarcal]

Zjarcal wrote...

I still think if this is possible, it would only be if you don't conscript Alec (have him flogged or killed), since otherwise he will take over the Silver Order.

I will also try this on my next run of Awakening.

Bumping this just to say that I tried this (saving Amaranthine instead of the Keep without conscripting Alec) and I still didn't get the ending where Varel survives. Now, the only thing to note here is that the Keep wasn't fully upgraded (it was the only save I had where Alec wasn't conscripted), so that may also play a part.

I'll have to try a game where the Keep is fully upgraded, Alec isn't conscripted, and Amaranthine is saved.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 16 octobre 2010 - 01:34 .

[Myusha]

For Silverite Order I remember you needed the ore. Alec went on to be a hero himself, and had no relationship to the order...So just get all ore for Wade to smith basically.