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[Darktom77]

First im sorry if this is posted in the wrong area i wasnt sure where to put it.

Right, does anybody actually like this guy, i mean hes the galaxys biggest ass.
If you do like like him please explain why!

Also i think in ME3 you should so get the option to smack him one as pay back for when he backstabs you!

[Zulu_DFA]

Donnel UDINA. BEST ambassador ever!

[Giggles_Manically]

I think he has a good VO, and listening to the news with him leading an all human council is funny, ie NO ORBITAL MIRRORS FOR YOU!



Still have to post this though:

[FireEye]

I think he's a good character and that the game would be less without him.  Doesn't stop me from antagonizing the hell out of him, though. 

[AntiChri5]

They say the mark of a successful character is that they are loved or hated. A failed character is one that people don't have a strong reaction to.

I don't really buy that. It is very, very easy to make a character meant to be hated like Udina.

[Zulu_DFA]

FireEye wrote...

I think he's a good character and that the game would be less without him.  Doesn't stop me from antagonizing the hell out of him, though. 

He-he. He's a little itchy about spectres. And very uneasy around ghosts. Would be fun to run into him on Omega.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think he has a good VO, and listening to the news with him leading an all human council is funny, ie NO ORBITAL MIRRORS FOR YOU!

I think I have heard news reports when he is leading a new council (not all human) but what is different in the case you describe?

[Zulu_DFA]

AntiChri5 wrote...

They say the mark of a successful character is that they are loved or hated. A failed character is one that people don't have a strong reaction to.
I don't really buy that. It is very, very easy to make a character meant to be hated like Udina.

I agree. You just need to write a character that has his own agenda and does not suck up to the protagonist. Almost universal hate is guarantied.

[Giggles_Manically]

ReconTeam wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think he has a good VO, and listening to the news with him leading an all human council is funny, ie NO ORBITAL MIRRORS FOR YOU!

I think I have heard news reports when he is leading a new council (not all human) but what is different in the case you describe?

I believe (this was a while ago) that he uses the military to take out the mirrors and gloats about it.


I dont make him councilor often (2 out of 8 times) but that made me stop and laugh there.

[Barquiel]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

They say the mark of a successful character is that they are loved or hated. A failed character is one that people don't have a strong reaction to.
I don't really buy that. It is very, very easy to make a character meant to be hated like Udina.

I agree. You just need to write a character that has his own agenda and does not suck up to the protagonist. Almost universal hate is guarantied.

That's true, but I still think TIM has more fans than Udina (well, he doesn't have to pay for asari love^_^)

Udina and the turian councilor are probably the most hated ME characters.

[mosor]

Barquiel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

They say the mark of a successful character is that they are loved or hated. A failed character is one that people don't have a strong reaction to.
I don't really buy that. It is very, very easy to make a character meant to be hated like Udina.

I agree. You just need to write a character that has his own agenda and does not suck up to the protagonist. Almost universal hate is guarantied.

That's true, but I still think TIM has more fans than Udina (well, he doesn't have to pay for asari love^_^)

Udina and the turian councilor are probably the most hated ME characters.

Actually Udina always made me laugh. I almost always pick him for councilor just for the amusing media broadcasts you get with him in charge.

[Zulu_DFA]

ReconTeam wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think he has a good VO, and listening to the news with him leading an all human council is funny, ie NO ORBITAL MIRRORS FOR YOU!

I think I have heard news reports when he is leading a new council (not all human) but what is different in the case you describe?

There is no "All-Human Council" in ME2. Only "Human-led".
Forget ME1 ending. It hindged on Shepard's carma, but Shepard's carma does not affect the Galaxy, only his actions do.

And there were just two actions in the end of ME1: "save Council" and "kill Council". Hence, 2 outcomes: Old Council (with newly admitted Alliance representative) and New Council (Human-led, with "yes-men" aliens, as Joram Talid reportedly described them).

[Zulu_DFA]

Barquiel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

They say the mark of a successful character is that they are loved or hated. A failed character is one that people don't have a strong reaction to.
I don't really buy that. It is very, very easy to make a character meant to be hated like Udina.

I agree. You just need to write a character that has his own agenda and does not suck up to the protagonist. Almost universal hate is guarantied.

That's true, but I still think TIM has more fans than Udina (well, he doesn't have to pay for asari love^_^)

Udina and the turian councilor are probably the most hated ME characters.

Yes, because TIM occasionally sucks up to Shepard, the manipulative SOB he is. I don't believe his single word. But I trust him regardless!

[mosor]

ReconTeam wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think he has a good VO, and listening to the news with him leading an all human council is funny, ie NO ORBITAL MIRRORS FOR YOU!

I think I have heard news reports when he is leading a new council (not all human) but what is different in the case you describe?

If you follow Emily Wongs broadcasts late in the game, if find out N7 marines on a "Normandy" class vessel called the Ain Jalut destroy the Batarian Solar array factory. If Undina is in charge, he boasts about the power of humanity, if Anderson is in charge, then he's more diplomatic about the event. The event happens if the old council is dead regardless of who is councilor.

[Barquiel]

mosor wrote...

Actually Udina always made me laugh. I almost always pick him for councilor just for the amusing media broadcasts you get with him in charge.

hehe...but it seems that I get councilor Udina in ME3, too. Udina and the turian, I'm looking forward to these council meetings.

[Zulu_DFA]

mosor wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think he has a good VO, and listening to the news with him leading an all human council is funny, ie NO ORBITAL MIRRORS FOR YOU!

I think I have heard news reports when he is leading a new council (not all human) but what is different in the case you describe?

If you follow Emily Wongs broadcasts late in the game, if find out N7 marines on a "Normandy" class vessel called the Ain Jalut destroy the Batarian Solar array factory. If Undina is in charge, he boasts about the power of humanity, if Anderson is in charge, then he's more diplomatic about the event. The event happens if the old council is dead regardless of who is councilor.

Udina's phrase (close to literal): "It is the policy of this Council to respond to terrorists' threats with decisive action".

If Anderson is in charge there is no action against the Batarians, just some deal. (I guess, the "war heroes" come soft these days, and not too much loyal).

[Inquisitor Recon]

So it is only possible for that to occur with Udina and an all-human (not new multi-species) council?

[mosor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

mosor wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think he has a good VO, and listening to the news with him leading an all human council is funny, ie NO ORBITAL MIRRORS FOR YOU!

I think I have heard news reports when he is leading a new council (not all human) but what is different in the case you describe?

If you follow Emily Wongs broadcasts late in the game, if find out N7 marines on a "Normandy" class vessel called the Ain Jalut destroy the Batarian Solar array factory. If Undina is in charge, he boasts about the power of humanity, if Anderson is in charge, then he's more diplomatic about the event. The event happens if the old council is dead regardless of who is councilor.

Udina's phrase (close to literal): "It is the policy of this Council to respond to terrorists' threats with decisive action".

If Anderson is in charge there is no action against the Batarians, just some deal. (I guess, the "war heroes" come soft these days, and not too much loyal).

That deal only happens if the council is saved (or does it have something do to with being really renegade in the first game?). In my game with a dead council, the same thing happens with anderson as udina, only anderson says "He expresses regret over the civilian deaths, but hopes the hegemony will compromise in the future"

Modifié par mosor, 12 octobre 2010 - 11:12 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I only ever heard it on my Udina-Councilor/Human council shep.

Than again apparently the news stories are very bugged, dont show up right, or some dont even show that should.

edit-I keep hearing random stories that dont have any real importance like my actions against mercs, or random citadel news.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 12 octobre 2010 - 11:46 .

[Zulu_DFA]

@Mosor

IDK about the Council saved. I think I saw it on U-tube. It said "Anderson made a deal with terrorists".


@ Giggles

Some of the news blurbs and all the "final chapters" of Wong's stories come up only after the "suicide mission". Thus some people completely miss them.



@ ReconTeam.

There is no such thing as "All-Human Council".

ME1 Council saved = same three pricks + who you appoint for the Alliance representative.

ME1 Council killed = "Human-led Council" (sic in intro text), which you never get to see except for Anderson/Udina (it is even unclear if the one you'd named for the job made chairman, or a simple councillor), but Bailey says that Joram Talid (Thane's son's target) says that the new Council is "stuffed up with Humans and yes-men" (so implying that there are aliens that don't really call any shots). And all other Council mentionings throughout the game are absolutely identical, regardless of what Udina said in the end of ME1. The "third", slightly different intro text comes up if you start a new ME2 character (with no import), but it's all the same this "Human-led" Council.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 13 octobre 2010 - 12:28 .

[mosor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

@Mosor

IDK about the Council saved. I think I saw it on U-tube. It said "Anderson made a deal with terrorists".

I think that deal happens only when the council is saved because it's an asari diplomat that brokers the deal.

[Zulu_DFA]

I heard nothing about no asari diplomat.

[Giggles_Manically]

@Zulu, that may be true I am trying to get LOTSB and get my sheps past there.

Most did Overlord and are sitting on the CIC still.



I'll head to the Citadel to pick this up.



I really wish the Normandy had a news station though, that would be cool.

[magelet]

The thing is, Udina's not supposed to be a likeable character, and very few people like him. This is what makes him a great character though.  He's really well written; he's that politician who cares about "diplomatic ****storms" and makes decisions that make people hate him.
He's meant to be the guy you don't like, and that's what he is.

[Giggles_Manically]

I love how he delivers the line:

Anderson, does the term political Sh!t storm mean anything to you?