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[Ticladesign]

That just isn't what "roots" means in English; it's describing the thing you're talking about, not your own experience of it. Maybe your language has a more flexible idiom there?



Other games have toolsets, of course, but the DM client is unique to the NWN games. I suppose a lot of shooters have the toolset +MP combination too.

Roots, as I see it is a Unique game a company has desigined, and hasnt been done by them, or somebody else. Then a company can return to the roots of the game they made earlier. Baldur's gate was such an unique game, and DA:O is basically going to the roots of that game. Because No-one made a NWN type game since NWN2 by Obsidian, there is also a hope by some (not posters here) that Bioware will one day make a spiritual sucessor to nwn. I thought that was going back to the roots of the game they made in the past that was unique in design, maybe i'm wrong on that.



Either way ...



Each to their own. NWN has it's fans, DA:O has it's own community, and i'm sure DA2 with have a community of it's own. Which is fine.



I still feel NWN gave the most to players, and yes the DM client is one of the most unique game additions Bioware ever made.

[Nerevar-as]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

AC and Fable take place way after the originals. Castlevania and Resident Evil rotate main characters, something I don´t think will happen here. The problem is that there´s an overarching plot, and the GW can be tied tight to one of the main players. It probably won´t matter in DA2, but when the final Flemeth-Morrigan-whoever else moment comes, the GW should be more than a background note, especially if s/he had a good relationship with Morrigan and if OG (not necessarily OGB) are involved.
It´s likely Hawke will also have equivalent reasons to these.

OK, so what about the KOTOR games?  Or NWN?

The thing is that the Grey Warden CAN be tightly tied to Morrigan.  The Grey Warden does not have to be.  Let's say for argument's sake that the Grey Warden can be imported to DA2.

For the Grey Warden who romanced or befriended Morrigan, did Witch Hunt, and did the Dark Ritual?  Great.
For the Grey Warden who hated/were indifferent to Morrigan, denied her the ritual, and did not do witch hunt?  HUH?  What's that guy doing there?

Basing the decision of whether a protagonist should be carried into a second game off of the protagonist's relationship to one very specific NPC and one very specific story arc is a terrible idea.  I understand Morrigan's story is not yet resolved.  I understand it's a loose end for a lot of players.  An acceptable way of dealing with it might be additional DLC for DA2, in which you could possibly play the Warden dealing with the fallout from Morrigan and Flemeth.  But structuring an entire sequel around one set of story hooks that only have relevance for certain protagonists is patently ridiculous.  It'd be like making ME3 all about Tali (though I doubt her fans would complain.  Meh.)

KOTOR and NWN barely had plot ties with the originals. Those ties also came from the sequels, not from the first parts.

About GW -Morrigan relationship. Why must be the ones who got involved who get screwed? Any GW can be there ordered from Weisshaupt as they knew Flemeth & Morrigan better. But that´s pointless speculation. The Tali example doesn´t hold. She isn´t tied to the overarching plot of ME, Morrigan is. Let´s agree to disagree in our POVs.

I hope DA ends as the videogame equivalent of the Silmarillion. It´s the closest successful example of what BW seems to be doing.

[tbsking]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

AC and Fable take place way after the originals. Castlevania and Resident Evil rotate main characters, something I don´t think will happen here. The problem is that there´s an overarching plot, and the GW can be tied tight to one of the main players. It probably won´t matter in DA2, but when the final Flemeth-Morrigan-whoever else moment comes, the GW should be more than a background note, especially if s/he had a good relationship with Morrigan and if OG (not necessarily OGB) are involved.
It´s likely Hawke will also have equivalent reasons to these.

OK, so what about the KOTOR games?  Or NWN?

The thing is that the Grey Warden CAN be tightly tied to Morrigan.  The Grey Warden does not have to be.  Let's say for argument's sake that the Grey Warden can be imported to DA2.

For the Grey Warden who romanced or befriended Morrigan, did Witch Hunt, and did the Dark Ritual?  Great.
For the Grey Warden who hated/were indifferent to Morrigan, denied her the ritual, and did not do witch hunt?  HUH?  What's that guy doing there?

Basing the decision of whether a protagonist should be carried into a second game off of the protagonist's relationship to one very specific NPC and one very specific story arc is a terrible idea.  I understand Morrigan's story is not yet resolved.  I understand it's a loose end for a lot of players.  An acceptable way of dealing with it might be additional DLC for DA2, in which you could possibly play the Warden dealing with the fallout from Morrigan and Flemeth.  But structuring an entire sequel around one set of story hooks that only have relevance for certain protagonists is patently ridiculous.  It'd be like making ME3 all about Tali (though I doubt her fans would complain.  Meh.)

Well, for the Wardens who died, Hawke is like: great.
For the Wardens who lived, did the DR, Romanced Morrigan, Witch Hunt: Hawke is "huh?"

I felt as though the Morrigan story arc was the best of the story arcs in the game, and found it most fulfilling in terms of sheer ability to roleplay. The implications always were that Morrigan, Flemeth, OGB would have reverberating affects, that the decisions you make would have long lasting consequences. My Warden is closely tied to Morrigan, and if she's going to do anything at all in the series, then he would be there.

My Warden is still alive, as I said, and he's not necessarily done, not so long as Morrigan's story isn't finished. To relegate him to background character status, or to say that Thedas is the protaganist, simply ignores the fact that the implications were always there that his story is not done.

In fact, unless you do the US, your story is not done.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Nerevar-as wrote...

About GW -Morrigan relationship. Why must be the ones who got involved who get screwed? Any GW can be there ordered from Weisshaupt as they knew Flemeth & Morrigan better. But that´s pointless speculation. The Tali example doesn´t hold. She isn´t tied to the overarching plot of ME, Morrigan is. Let´s agree to disagree in our POVs.

I hope DA ends as the videogame equivalent of the Silmarillion. It´s the closest successful example of what BW seems to be doing.

Arguably, Tali is.  She's intricately tied to the whole geth/quarian thing, and ME2 was doing some anvilicious foreshadowing there for ME3.  Not too terribly different from Morrigan.  

As for the Grey Warden who did get involved with Morrigan, I never said they had to get screwed.  As I stated earlier, additional DLC for DA2 allowing the Warden to get personally involved would be an acceptable compromise.  

[tbsking]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

About GW -Morrigan relationship. Why must be the ones who got involved who get screwed? Any GW can be there ordered from Weisshaupt as they knew Flemeth & Morrigan better. But that´s pointless speculation. The Tali example doesn´t hold. She isn´t tied to the overarching plot of ME, Morrigan is. Let´s agree to disagree in our POVs.

I hope DA ends as the videogame equivalent of the Silmarillion. It´s the closest successful example of what BW seems to be doing.

Arguably, Tali is.  She's intricately tied to the whole geth/quarian thing, and ME2 was doing some anvilicious foreshadowing there for ME3.  Not too terribly different from Morrigan.  

As for the Grey Warden who did get involved with Morrigan, I never said they had to get screwed.  As I stated earlier, additional DLC for DA2 allowing the Warden to get personally involved would be an acceptable compromise.  

But then I would have to buy DA2 and BioWare/EA wins.

EDIT: A better compromise would have been the promised two years of DLC that would lengthen my Warden's story without needing a full-fledged sequel.

Modifié par tbsking, 15 octobre 2010 - 12:16 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

tbsking wrote...

Well, for the Wardens who died, Hawke is like: great.
For the Wardens who lived, did the DR, Romanced Morrigan, Witch Hunt: Hawke is "huh?"

I felt as though the Morrigan story arc was the best of the story arcs in the game, and found it most fulfilling in terms of sheer ability to roleplay. The implications always were that Morrigan, Flemeth, OGB would have reverberating affects, that the decisions you make would have long lasting consequences. My Warden is closely tied to Morrigan, and if she's going to do anything at all in the series, then he would be there.

My Warden is still alive, as I said, and he's not necessarily done, not so long as Morrigan's story isn't finished. To relegate him to background character status, or to say that Thedas is the protaganist, simply ignores the fact that the implications were always there that his story is not done.

In fact, unless you do the US, your story is not done.

The last time I checked, DA was not DA: The Story of Morrigan and Flemeth.  It's a good story arc, and an important and powerful one.  It is not the be all and end all of the series.

And I did not do the US.  I befriended Morrigan with a female Warden and did the Ritual.  And...I'm quite comfortable with the ending my Warden got.  She has no desire to go after Morrigan and every intention of keeping her word to her friend.  She's defeated the Blight and is now probably happily gallavanting around Thedas with Alistair in search of new adventure.  Boom.  Done.

What I'm saying is that Morrigan is far from a universal plot hook for the Warden, and as such should not be used as one to drag the Warden into DA2.  Not unless BioWare starts canonizing things, in which case I'll be rather upset with them.

tbsking wrote...

But then I would have to buy DA2 and BioWare/EA wins.

EDIT: A better compromise would have been the promised two years of DLC that would lengthen my Warden's story without needing a full-fledged sequel.

Interesting word choice there.  I wasn't aware that this was a competition of some sort between the little guy and the big scary oppressive game studio.

I do agree with you that DA:O got screwed on DLC, both in terms of quality and quantity.  I've bought one piece of DLC for DA:O, and almost all pieces of DLC for ME2.  As a person who generally is ok with DLC, that's quite telling.

[Nerevar-as]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Arguably, Tali is.  She's intricately tied to the whole geth/quarian thing, and ME2 was doing some anvilicious foreshadowing there for ME3.  Not too terribly different from Morrigan.  

As for the Grey Warden who did get involved with Morrigan, I never said they had to get screwed.  As I stated earlier, additional DLC for DA2 allowing the Warden to get personally involved would be an acceptable compromise.  

Reapers are arriving regardless of Tali, or Liara being SB for that matter. They aren´t key players (and if default ME3 is anything like ME2, then Tali is space debris). DA seems to be going with Flemeth being the chessmaster and Morrigan, GW and Hawke are all important pieces so far. Mostly Morrigan, GW and Hawke are probably expendable once thier job s are done... would be funny if our PCs are the Tali in DA.

[tbsking]

I don't mean to make it sound like a competition, per se, but a consumer chooses with their wallet. And I choose not to support the trend DA2 is taking by not buying it. If Bioware were to decide that the best way to conclude the one story arc I particularly care about by making it DA2 DLC, then I'd have to buy it, thus supporting a trend I don't want to support.



That said, I find Bioware's handling of Dragon Age in general to be unsatisfactory.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Reapers are arriving regardless of Tali, or Liara being SB for that matter. They aren´t key players (and if default ME3 is anything like ME2, then Tali is space debris). DA seems to be going with Flemeth being the chessmaster and Morrigan, GW and Hawke are all important pieces so far. Mostly Morrigan, GW and Hawke are probably expendable once thier job s are done... would be funny if our PCs are the Tali in DA.

The Reapers are coming regardless of anyone.  Even Shepard.  Shep's job is to try and stop them, but they're still on their way.  And I'd say Shep is a pretty big player   The situation in ME, I feel, is quite a different one from DA, however, and I'm sorry if bringing it up muddled the discussion.

Also, there's no reason for the Warden to owe Flemeth or Morrigan anything--unless the Warden in question made an active choice to involve him or herself.  The Warden at the end of DA:A can ignore Morrigan and leave Flemeth to her own devices, having never slayed Flemeth or done the DR.  The Warden has completed the primary objective for which Flemeth saved him/her: ending the Blight.  Case closed.  The Warden is only as involved in Morrigan and Flemeth's arc as the player chooses for him or her to be.  I've got three Wardens planned out, one of whom I've finished for import.  My mage is moderately involved.  My dwarf couldn't give two nugs' arses.  My Cousland is intricately involved.  The point is that I chose for them to BE involved.  I don't want DA2 to decide for me that I have to have my Warden present just because.

tbsking: I 100% agree with you that makes little sense for a Warden closely involved with Morrigan to not be present in DA2 if indeed Morrigan makes a reappearance.  I think the DLC could have been better handled.  But at this point, hijacking all of DA2 for every Warden just because it's a loose thread involving some is not a viable solution.  I feel BioWare may have gotten a touch overambitious with the frillions of iterations of decision that the Warden can make.  I don't think it's going to be possible honoring them all.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 15 octobre 2010 - 12:43 .

[Brockololly]

Sable Rhapsody wrote..
OK, so what about the KOTOR games?

Eh....I'd posit that many people's displeasure with KOTOR2 is a result of Revan being given the ol' vanishing treatment and then not following through with a proper KOTOR3 that resolves what happened to Revan and the Exile.

Sable Rhapsody wrote..
The thing is that the Grey Warden CAN be tightly tied to Morrigan.  The Grey Warden does not have to be.

The Warden clearly won't be in DA2- at best they'll get a handful of mentions and I'm fine with that.  But as for the Warden being involved with Morrigan's story in the future, WH definitely hints at the Warden's involvement in whatever Morrigan's story evolves into in the future.

Obviously if you're the Hero of Ferelden and you played Witch Hunt you have various reasons why you might be out for Morrigan- lover, friend, enemy. If your Warden hated Morrigan and turned down the DR or if you're the Orlesian the DLC still gives you reasons- the codex says that the First Warden tasked you to investigate Morrigan and Flemeth's role in the Blight. And its not just the Wardens searching for her, but also the Templars who think she is a dangerous blood mage and the soldiers of the Crown are looking for her too.

And then when you meet Morrigan as the Orlesian even, she implies that Flemeth had a greater role in the Blight than you even realize. Then she specifically tells the Orlesian to go tell the Wardens to be wary and be on the lookout for the change that is to come. And then of course she leaves the myserious gift to the Warden specifically. Sure its not as deep of a connection as if you romanced Morrigan and went through the Eluvian with her, but it definitely hints that the "change" to come and Flemeth's role in things are things that the Wardens specifically need to be aware of. Maybe they ignore that stuff in the future, but even if you're an Orlesian, WH gives you further reason to think that whenever Morrigan's story continues, the Wardens may be involved.

Sable Rhapsody wrote..
For the Grey Warden who hated/were indifferent to Morrigan, denied her the ritual, and did not do witch hunt?  HUH?  What's that guy doing there?

Like I mentioned above, WH gives your Warden a reason to search for Morrigan from the First Warden. So even if you didn't do WH, if Morrigan comes back in the future, they'll just likely give you a default choice. Having a Warden go after Morrigan or get involved with her story again could be for personal reason s as friend or lover or it could be due to her more plot related reasons. DOesn't mean she is the most important person in Thedas EVAR! but it can't be a coincidence either that she has plot armor up to this point- they seemingly have plans for her yet.

Sable Rhapsody wrote..
But structuring an entire sequel around one set of story hooks that only have relevance for certain protagonists is patently ridiculous.  It'd be like making ME3 all about Tali (though I doubt her fans would complain.  Meh.)

It depends on how big of a role they have planned for Morrigan really. Maybe she is one of the more important people in the history of Thedas? Laidlaw has said that she is one of those sorts of people like Hawke or the Warden that ends up changing the world. Honestly it would be refreshing to have a game where one of the NPCs had a huge role to play and the PC wasn't necessarilyt the be all end all of the plot.

Basically, given how WH ended, they've given all Wardens some reason to be tied to Morrigan in the future, some obviously with more reason than others. Personally, I just worry they realize that Morrigan is a popular character and are basically milking her story for all its worth. I'd have been happy with Morrigan's story being resolved with the Warden as part of an expack for Origins or as a treaty sized quest arc. But its clear they're saving it for DA3, with DA2 seemingly focusing more on Flemeth and setting the stage for Morrigan's return.

And the Tali analogy falls apart since Tali can take a rocket to the face in ME2:happy: So her role in the future isn't quite like Morrigan who at most can get gut stabbed but all that does is ****** her off.

Modifié par Brockololly, 15 octobre 2010 - 12:52 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

It's my understanding that the Grey Wardens rarely get involved in politics. Look at the mess in Ferelden 200 years ago. The Wardens in Weishepthsuthsptmsum have to politic to stay alive, I believe, but otherwise are Grey Wardens apolitical? With the Blight asleep, it makes perfect sense that our Warden would wander off to the pasture, train some younger Wardens, bone Leliana, and maybe have a few random adventures before it became time to go to the Deep Roads and die.



At first, I was pissed about two of the Witch Hunt endings, but they eventually grew on me. I'm fine with the Warden hearing about some big political turmoil in the Marches, shrugging their shoulders, and going back to painting the sunset.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Brockololly wrote...

And then when you meet Morrigan as the Orlesian even, she implies that Flemeth had a greater role in the Blight than you even realize. Then she specifically tells the Orlesian to go tell the Warden to be wary and be on the lookout for the change that is to come. And then of course she leaves the myserious gift to the Warden specifically. Sure its not as deep of a connection as if you romanced Morrigan and went through the Eluvian with her, but it definitely hints that the "change" to come and Flemeth's role in things are things that the Wardens specifically need to be aware of. Maybe they ignore that stuff in the future, but even if you're an Orlesian, WH gives you further reason to think that whenever Morrigan's story continues, the Wardens may be involved.

Basically, given how WH ended, they've given all Wardens some reason to be tied to Morrigan in the future, some obviously with more reason than others. Personally, I just worry they realize that Morrigan is a popular character and are basically milking her story for all its worth. I'd have been happy with Morrigan's story being resolved with the Warden as part of an expack for Origins or as a treaty sized quest arc. But its clear they're saving it for DA3, with DA2 seemingly focusing more on Flemeth and setting the stage for Morrigan's return.

See, I didn't play Witch Hunt, so I didn't know that.  Honestly what my Warden would probably do if ordered by the First Warden to go after Morrigan is flip him off...which is what I guess I did by ducking out on the DLC, since if you don't do the DLC, BioWare's trend has been assuming that events progress as they would without you present.

The thing is that giving the Warden SOME pretext to be tied to Morrigan doesn't change the range of the Warden's possible involvement.  Some Wardens want nothing more to do with her, either honoring their promise (like mine) or out of sheer indifference.  Some are closely involved with her.  For DA2, which seems to be more about Flemeth than Morrigan...eh.  Generally speaking, my point is that Morrigan should not be the ONLY reason why the Warden returns as a protagonist, if she/he does in future installments.  But like you said, it's a moot point for DA2.

[Nerevar-as]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

It's my understanding that the Grey Wardens rarely get involved in politics. Look at the mess in Ferelden 200 years ago. The Wardens in Weishepthsuthsptmsum have to politic to stay alive, I believe, but otherwise are Grey Wardens apolitical? With the Blight asleep, it makes perfect sense that our Warden would wander off to the pasture, train some younger Wardens, bone Leliana, and maybe have a few random adventures before it became time to go to the Deep Roads and die.

At first, I was pissed about two of the Witch Hunt endings, but they eventually grew on me. I'm fine with the Warden hearing about some big political turmoil in the Marches, shrugging their shoulders, and going back to painting the sunset.

Acording to Riordan, Weisshaupt GW seem to like being the power behind the throne. Even if not, their mission is stand watch. I guess if they could see a change in the world power balance that would endanger their purpose of fighting DS and Blights in the future they would take matters in their hands. Ferelden was a local conflict. A successful Qunari invasion would bring about many changes continent wide in all levels of society which might endanger their mission. I don´t think they would sit around, but join with their nation army . That´s the Free Marches GW problem however.

[In Exile]

Brockololly wrote...
That cuts both ways with the DR/US ending. Sure, the US Wardens want their sacrifice to matter- great. They can stay dead. The issue is that for those that did the DR, I want that choice to matter and effect the world too, not just in some weak cameo or codex entry. So yes, if you did the DR it should drastically affect the future of "your" version of Thedas- and the DR isn't just having the Old God Baby, its also the fact that your Wardens survive. To have the DR really seem like anything significant, they need to address both of those points in the future, IMO.

But you see the problem: if the DR (which by logical neccesity saves the Warden) is involved in any important way in the story, that makes my US Warden impossible. A US Warden cannot exist with the DR. On the other hand, if we have the US Warden; obviously DR is impossible.

There is a fundamental conflict here where BIoware cannot address both. It is just impossible. A game could never be set around either of these points, because it would just invalidate the other. And they entail such mutually exclusive futures that I cannot see how you can make the two central.

Put another way: I can see how the DR/No DR choice could have some serious impact in a particular quest of some future game. Anything above that would require such a design commitment from Bioware it would make the alternative impossible.

Thats the problem with the DLC though- its no different than somebody who didn't play Origins buying DA2 and compaining that they were robbed of agency by not being able to set the world state. I'd guess if you don't have WH and the decision at the end plays a role in the future, there will be some default choice set for you by BioWare. You want to determine if you go through the Eluvian with Morrigan, stay behind or stab her? Buy the DLC.

Except that is not at all the same thing. What if I want my Warden never to do this? What if I want a game that gives me my ending in Awakening: I return to rule with Anora. I never see Morrigan. Why should I be denied this ending, just so you can have yours?

[Brockololly]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Generally speaking, my point is that Morrigan should not be the ONLY reason why the Warden returns as a protagonist, if she/he does in future installments.  But like you said, it's a moot point for DA2.

Definitely- my dream scenario would be that we see more of Flemeth's side of things in DA2, then come DA3, have both Hawke and the Warden return as PCs. So you have the narrative switching back and forth between the 2 and you can deal with Flemeth/Morrigan/Old God baby/ and  the big "Change" however you like. It would be an interesting change of pace having multiple PCs  though, if nothing else.

[Morroian]

In Exile wrote...

There is a fundamental conflict here where BIoware cannot address both. It is just impossible. A game could never be set around either of these points, because it would just invalidate the other. And they entail such mutually exclusive futures that I cannot see how you can make the two central.

Thats what I thought as well but David Gaider has implied that they will deal with both choices.

[arathor_87]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...
How much you willing to bet?

Depends. The playerbase or just you? You've already made up your mind, going everywhere insulting DA2 and even hating DA2 on your profile. However, I feel the overall playerbase would want to keep Hawke.

Thats not really true, many people are also disappointed over how they ended it. So saying the overall playerbase wants to keep Hawke is pretty dramatic too since they never played him? The point is that many people is going to play as Hawke, but they still want more of then Warden. I can't see how that wrong? People have the right to express what they think, its a forum..

[arathor_87]

SoleSong wrote...

About being disapointed or not about not using the warden as the main person in DA2... I think I will side 51%, mybe more, with those disapointed.
Why?
A good advice when writing a story is to introduse the hero at the beginning, so the reader dont have to first identify with one person, then switch to the real hero.
This is what bioware is doing . We have put oure souls into a hero and now we have to change to a new one.
Unless the story grab us hot from the beginning, an in all way good history, risk to loose out this way.
It would be ok if it was a real new story, but going from DA1 to DA2 dont do that, at least not in the same way, since DA2 build on DA1.
Because of that I am a bit disapointed since I in a way have to forget my old self and start a new.
One dead... but the life goes on

I don't think many people mind that Bioware is using Hawke in DA2, as I did at first. Many are disappointed that they many never use the Warden again, and that's where I stand. 

I want to play DA2, but I also want more of the warden in the future. It will be a nice break with a new character, but only if they reuse the warden in the future, And for those who doesn't like that don't need to play it, exactly the same choice that the DA2 "haters" have. I think it will be many more games in the future, just not 3 of them.

[arathor_87]

Dave of Canada wrote...

tbsking wrote...

Why can't those players who did the US import an Orlesian Warden? Or a Golems Warden? Or a Witch Hunt Warden? Or make a new character?

Because it doesn't keep track of our decisions?

Well if you played Awakening it will. And in DA2 you don't need to import your story from DA:O to play it. You can play it anyway without the choices from the first game.

So I think if they reuse the warden it will work the same way. You have the chance to import your old one, but also have the chace to start a new one.

[arathor_87]

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The Warden clearly won't be in DA2- at best they'll get a handful of mentions and I'm fine with that.  But as for the Warden being involved with Morrigan's story in the future, WH definitely hints at the Warden's involvement in whatever Morrigan's story evolves into in the future.

Obviously if you're the Hero of Ferelden and you played Witch Hunt you have various reasons why you might be out for Morrigan- lover, friend, enemy. If your Warden hated Morrigan and turned down the DR or if you're the Orlesian the DLC still gives you reasons- the codex says that the First Warden tasked you to investigate Morrigan and Flemeth's role in the Blight. And its not just the Wardens searching for her, but also the Templars who think she is a dangerous blood mage and the soldiers of the Crown are looking for her too.

And then when you meet Morrigan as the Orlesian even, she implies that Flemeth had a greater role in the Blight than you even realize. Then she specifically tells the Orlesian to go tell the Wardens to be wary and be on the lookout for the change that is to come. And then of course she leaves the myserious gift to the Warden specifically. Sure its not as deep of a connection as if you romanced Morrigan and went through the Eluvian with her, but it definitely hints that the "change" to come and Flemeth's role in things are things that the Wardens specifically need to be aware of. Maybe they ignore that stuff in the future, but even if you're an Orlesian, WH gives you further reason to think that whenever Morrigan's story continues, the Wardens may be involved.
[[/quote]

Thank you, since my english ain't the best, this is exactly what I mean. If they never would use the warden again after this statement, it would be werid for many players. Since wardens can sense that kind of evil (the taint) it . And because Flemeth had a greater role in the blight that you realized, it would be in the Wardens interest to find out what it is. Even if it is your old warden, an orlesian warden or a new one. Maybe you would get the opportunity to start a fresh one, while others hang on with their old ones? Because Flemeth will play a big part in this series of games..

Modifié par arathor_87, 15 octobre 2010 - 09:22 .

[Majin Paul]

I'd be surprised if they ddin't use the grey wardens in future games since they are so important to Dragon Age, the only reason your own grey warden not being used would be if the next game were set a certain amount of time in the future.
Saying that, I wasn't really bothered when they said you wouldn't be using your grey warden from the first game, mines story was pretty complete. (Haven't played the Witch hunt DLC though.)

Modifié par Majin Paul, 15 octobre 2010 - 10:36 .

[arathor_87]

Majin Paul wrote...

I'd be surprised if they ddin't use the grey wardens in future games since they are so important to Dragon Age, the only reason your own grey warden not being used would be if the next game were set a certain amount of time in the future.
Saying that, I wasn't really bothered when they said you wouldn't be using your grey warden from the first game, mines story was pretty complete. (Haven't played the Witch hunt DLC though.

Don't play it! : ) hehe

[upsettingshorts]

Majin Paul wrote...

I'd be surprised if they ddin't use the grey wardens in future games since they are so important to Dragon Age, the only reason your own grey warden not being used would be if the next game were set a certain amount of time in the future.
Saying that, I wasn't really bothered when they said you wouldn't be using your grey warden from the first game, mines story was pretty complete. (Haven't played the Witch hunt DLC though.

They're only really important when it comes to Blights.  Which happen centuries apart.

Just to put those centuries in perspective, the first permanent English settlement in America was founded at Jamestown roughly 400 years ago.  That's a hell of long time to sit on the sidelines and still be considered of consistent importance.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 octobre 2010 - 10:28 .

[Morrigans God son]

I am the boss, and what I say goes.

DA2 blows.

Goodnight everybody, drive home safely.

[Majin Paul]

arathor_87 wrote...

Majin Paul wrote...

I'd be surprised if they ddin't use the grey wardens in future games since they are so important to Dragon Age, the only reason your own grey warden not being used would be if the next game were set a certain amount of time in the future.
Saying that, I wasn't really bothered when they said you wouldn't be using your grey warden from the first game, mines story was pretty complete. (Haven't played the Witch hunt DLC though.

Don't play it! : ) hehe

One of the reasons I haven't played it is because of mixed opinions, is it that bad?

@Upsettingshorts: Just because the blights were far apart previously doesn't mean they won't be in the next game. I've not read the codex for a while but weren't the first few blights more frequent than the last few? I don't think anything was said about blights being a fixed length apart.