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[Morrigans God son]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

I don't know why people got so attached the The Warden and expected to play him/her in the sequel; this isn't Mass Effect.

The Warden is dead. Get over it.

It's certainly is a lot more like Mass Effect.
No, my warden isn't dead, he's very much alive.

I didn't mean "dead" in a literal sense. The Warden's story is over.

How do you know this? My Warden left with Morrigan, and Morrigan is showing up in the future. I really can't see him retiring in the mirror. For me the warden's story isn't over.
Run along and play dead Shepard, I heard that's really popular.

Modifié par Morrigans God son, 13 octobre 2010 - 09:38 .

[Herr Uhl]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Only choices. So... if you import with Anora / Cousland on the throne, you'll have comments like "Hey, did you hear that there's a Cousland on the throne?".

If you're lucky.

I think there might be more than that, but don't let me interrupt your almost gleeful pessimism.

Morrigans God son wrote...

I can almost put money on it. You won't import a US warden first...

Your point being?

[Rogue Unit]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

I don't know why people got so attached the The Warden and expected to play him/her in the sequel; this isn't Mass Effect.

The Warden is dead. Get over it.

It's certainly is a lot more like Mass Effect.
No, my warden isn't dead, he's very much alive.

I didn't mean "dead" in a literal sense. The Warden's story is over.

How do you know this? My Warden left with Morrigan, and Morrigan is showing up in the future. I really can't see him retiring in the mirror. For me the warden's story isn't over.
Run along and play dead Shepard, I heard that's really popular.

I can see your one of those Teddy-bear gamers that gets attached to a protagonist and refuses to accept that their story is done. I suggest if you absolutely HAVE to play as your Grey Warden you look to the modding community, then you can play your precious Warden forever.:innocent:

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 13 octobre 2010 - 09:48 .

[Dave of Canada]

Morrigans God son wrote...
I can almost put money on it. You won't import a US warden first...

This changes things how? My prefered ending is the Ultimate Sacrifice one, so I should be unable to play DA2 because of it?

[John Epler]

Rogue Unit, Morrigans God Son, cut out the condescension and the insults.



Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

[Rogue Unit]

He started it.:innocent:

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 13 octobre 2010 - 09:56 .

[ChickenDownUnder]

Wasn't really expecting to being able to play as the same character from DA. Especially considering all the choices that can be made and all the ways that game could end. Would be a nightmare to code.



A bit surprised that we can only play as a human, though. Dragon Age was the first game I actually enjoyed playing as a dwarf.

[Meltemph]

I agree Chicken, but as a % of people who played, apparently the Dwarf Origin was... very low. Dwarfs have always been the least popular, why I don't quite get. The only thing I can really think of, is because they are always treated as having a crumbling empire.



While though the Elves also have a crumbling empire, their situation is unique to fantasy. I still like the Dwarfs a hell of a lot in the Dragon Age setting, but they still are the race that can't keep an empire going.

[Morrigans God son]

Rogue Unit wrote...

He started it.:innocent:

Hardly. You're the one who commented "Get Over it." because I didn't agree.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Meltemph wrote...

I agree Chicken, but as a % of people who played, apparently the Dwarf Origin was... very low. Dwarfs have always been the least popular, why I don't quite get. The only thing I can really think of, is because they are always treated as having a crumbling empire.

While though the Elves also have a crumbling empire, their situation is unique to fantasy. I still like the Dwarfs a hell of a lot in the Dragon Age setting, but they still are the race that can't keep an empire going.

Every time it is mentioned, I have to chime in.  The Cousland presentation of noble is so typical, I nodded and smiled through it.  The dwarf presentation of noble  was so damn new and interesting that I played it twice.  Oh man, how much fun was it having a dude speak to the commoners for you?  Even though you were right there?  I laughed every time.  So damn cool, oh man.  I've never seen that in a game before.  Real great stuff.   And yet... so many people missed it.  Such an absolute shame!

It will be a bit of a bummer not to be able to play my Grey Jackass dwarf, but at least the situations he "solved" will have reprecussions in DA2.  I'm looking forward to that.

[upsettingshorts]

Meltemph wrote...

I agree Chicken, but as a % of people who played, apparently the Dwarf Origin was... very low. Dwarfs have always been the least popular, why I don't quite get. The only thing I can really think of, is because they are always treated as having a crumbling empire.

I didn't play any of the non-human Origins past Ostagar for aesthetic reasons. 

But then, I never play as a non-human, even in Star Wars Galaxies or Star Trek Online when one of the aliens would have been much MUCH better for my chosen professional or specialty.  It's a character flaw.

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
Every time it is mentioned, I have to chime in.  The Cousland presentation of noble is so typical, I nodded and smiled through it.  The dwarf presentation of noble  was sodamn new and interesting that I played it twice.  Oh man, how much fun was it having a dude speak to the commoners for you?  Even though you were right there?  I laughed every time.  So damn cool, oh man.  I've never seen that in a game before.  Real great stuff.   And yet... so many people missed it.  Such an absolute shame!

Definitely glad I played all the origins though, they were - especially the Dwarf ones - really great.  Just after the Origins sections the differences between playable races weren't enough for me to overcome my silly pro-human bias.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 13 octobre 2010 - 11:19 .

[Meltemph]

Ya, I agree^, Noble has been done, but a Noble Human represents a powerful well organized race. Dwarves are always put in a light of having terrible leadership(empires failing). While I am personally fine with that, it is the only constant I see between dwarves, so it is the only thing I assume people don't like.

[Meltemph]

I didn't play any of the non-human Origins past Ostagar for aesthetic reasons.

I actually understand that part, but even compared to other races(just about ANY other race) dwarves are normally last and the only recurring theme is dwarves can't run their own countries/cities correctly.



Unless I am not seeing another recurring theme that always comes with dwarves.

[wildannie]

I'm really looking forward to DA2... I'll no doubt pre-order. However, I was really disappointed with the ending of the wardens (and the companions) stories and can't help but feel that it's being such a non-ending points to their return in the future... I certainly hope so anyway.



Okay, US gives pretty good closure on the story but otherwise it's all very vague.



I guess my biggest fear would be for a similar lack of closure in DA2, it's all very well leaving the ending to the players imagination but I'd prefer epilogue slides that were more carefully crafted to take account of players choices and companion character development to provide in game closure. There is no need to leave endings open if they are not to be resolved in the future.

[upsettingshorts]

Meltemph wrote...
Unless I am not seeing another recurring theme that always comes with dwarves.

My short friend would say, cynically while scratching his beard, that folks just don't like playing short people.  Dwarves are always short people.

Gnomes and halflings don't strike me as very popular either though I have no evidence and that is probably just confirmation bias.  But everyone loves elves, right?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 13 octobre 2010 - 11:26 .

[Meltemph]

I think the reason for DAO's lack of closure is because of all the variations you could end the game with. You would think, that in order to finish it for everyone, someone would get the short end of the stick.



I could be wrong, but from a design standpoint, seems to be from my perspective.

[Wolfarcher28x]

Ur just a loser

[Meltemph]

Gnomes and halflings don't strike me as very popular either though I have no evidence and that is probably just confirmation bias. But everyone loves elves, right?

Halflings actually are fairly popular, Gnomes, eh, I would probably say about the same as dwarves(though with WoW, Dwarves are last, which probably has the best test sample). You could be right, though, might just be a "short and thick" thing.

[Anarya]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Meltemph wrote...
Unless I am not seeing another recurring theme that always comes with dwarves.

My short friend would say, cynically while scratching his beard, that folks just don't like playing short people.  Dwarves are always short people.

Gnomes and halflings don't strike me as very popular either though I have no evidence and that is probably just confirmation bias.  But everyone loves elves, right?

It's true as far as my playing habits are concerned. I don't really like playing the shortie races. Just an aesthetic preference really. However I still like those races, I just prefer to play the larger-scaled ones.

It doesn't have to do with a dislike of short people either. For the very short time I played FFXI I didn't choose the cute little fuzzy race, whatever those were called. Plus my real life sister is 4'9".

[upsettingshorts]

Anarya wrote...
However I still like those races

Oh definitely.  I thought the dwarves (loved 'em, even Bhelan - "Don't hate the player, hate the game") and dalish elves (wanted to smack them, well, mainly just the storyteller one) were brilliant and well realized, I just didn't want to play a nonhuman through the whole game.  

[Akka le Vil]

Morrigans God son wrote...

pizoxuat wrote...

We don't play as the Warden in Dragon Age 2, we play as Hawke.

This is personally why I hate DA2. No character continuation. I don't want to keep switching main PC.

And that's why people who did the US prefer that DA2 is NOT about the Warden : because it allows them to have character continuation (that is, their choice of the US actually did matters and isn't undone by the sequel).

But of course, only YOUR choices have to be respected in the sequel, right ?

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Meltemph wrote...
Unless I am not seeing another recurring theme that always comes with dwarves.

My short friend would say, cynically while scratching his beard, that folks just don't like playing short people.  Dwarves are always short people.

Gnomes and halflings don't strike me as very popular either though I have no evidence and that is probably just confirmation bias.  But everyone loves elves, right?

Personally, I believe it is the hair.  Even when a dwarf is bald or has a trim beard, to paraphrase River Tam, the hair will still be there.  Waiting. 

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 13 octobre 2010 - 11:36 .

[Anarya]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Anarya wrote...
However I still like those races

Oh definitely.  I thought the dwarves (loved 'em, even Bhelan - "Don't hate the player, hate the game") and dalish elves (wanted to smack them, well, mainly just the storyteller one) were brilliant and well realized, I just didn't want to play a nonhuman through the whole game.  

Yeah for me in Origins it came down to me not really liking the models for the dwarves and elves aesthetically. I thought their origin stories were way more interesting though.

But even in other games, like MMOs, I think dwarves and hobbits and whatever are very charming. So I just roll an elf or whatever and go hang out in the dwarf/hobbit city.

[pizoxuat]

I like Warhammer dwarfs. I have yet to find a representation of elves that I care for, though.  The vast majority of the stime I would rather play a human since they come with less stereotype baggage.

Modifié par pizoxuat, 13 octobre 2010 - 11:39 .

[ChickenDownUnder]

In a past I just wasn't very interested in playing a dwarf because they just never came across as a very fleshed out race. So while DA dwarves certainly were not completely original, they did have a fleshed out society that you could actually visit and take part in.



@Anarya



I'm the exact opposite. I usually find the human models very unappealing. Very hulk-like and overmuscled, with the females bordering on manly. If I wanted to play an actual slim character, I had to play an elf, and so on.