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[Meltemph]

I hope that one day, Bioware will return to their NWN roots.

I hope not.

[arathor_87]

Nyaore wrote...

Honestly? No, I'm actually glad they decided to shelve the Warden for the time being and instead focus on another character who has more of an investment in the storyline than some godly hero that by now can kill dragons simply by glaring them into ashes. Your Warden is almost a demi-god in terms of power by the end of the game, let alone Awakening, and there isn't much farther they can go on the power meter. They already ARE one of the most powerful people in that part of the world. Frankly I find characters like that to be boring after awhile, and would much rather helps hape a new hero instead of relying on the last one to suit my needs.

Besides, most of my Wardens truly don't WANT to come back for another story. Ferin, my noble, is off making kissy faces with Alistiar while restoring the Order to it's former glory in Ferelden. Raea, my city elf, is happily sipping fruity alcoholic drinks on the beaches of Antiva and has expressed her urge to kill anyone who disturbs her well deserved retirement. Meira, my human mage, is like the noble off making kissy faces with her lover Leliana and is currently adventuring around Orlais while throwing fire balls indiscriminately at those that displease her. Then both of my Dwarves are, well, DEAD by the end of the game and thus can't produce a proper opinion over the matter.

Well, not all the players want to imagine what happens, some puppylove at a beach somewhere.

And ok I understand why Dragon Age 2 will be different. BUT one thing I don't like is how they ended the Wardens time. In the Witch Hunt Morrigan tells the Warden that a new bigger threat is coming, Flemeth. 

So with this in his mind, why would he just dissapear? Where will he go? I mean, if Morrigan tells about a new threat he just don't vanish, he will fight it. This is the thing that bothers me and doesn't make sense at all. 

DA2 take place just after the blight and over a 10 year span after that. If the story is that Hawke is killing Flemeth or  the big threat  than Morrigan was talking about, it will really ****** me off, because it will make no sense at all. You just don't throw away the Hero of Ferelden likte this, he deservers a better ending in my opinion. Or did he go to Denerim and played poker while a bigger threat was coming? We talking about the warden who defeated the Archdemon without any help from other grey wardens (except Alistair). Without the Hero of Ferelden, Hawke would be dead.  

This is my opinion, so you don't need call me things because of this. I think DA2 will be good, but I still want to see the warden again.. 

Modifié par arathor_87, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:47 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Meltemph wrote...

I hope that one day, Bioware will return to their NWN roots.

I hope not.

Agreed.  Those days are over.  Let it go!

[Planeforger]

Xewaka wrote...

I hope that one day, Bioware will return to their NWN roots.

There are two things wrong in this phrase:

First, as upsettingshorts point, NWN is not the root. The Bhaalspawn series (Baldur's Gate) is.
Second: Neverwinter Nights was mediocre, closer to awful than good.
If they are to go back to something, Planescape Torment is the place to go.

While I agree with you about NWN, which felt like little more than a bland tech demo for their modding tools...it'd be difficult for Bioware to go back to Planescape Torment, considering how they weren't the ones who made it.

Still, if they *were* to start making games as deep, creative or brilliant as Torment, I'd definitely tip my hat to them. Nobody seems to have managed it so far, but there's always hope.

[Bratt1204]

arathor_87 wrote...

Hi!

Is it only me who are very disappointed that they wont make a DA2 with your Grey Warden instead of this Hawke guy? Sure DA2 can be awesome, but I feel that so many questions are unanswered even after the DLC:s. There are so many more storys to tell about my warden, Morrigan, Leliana.

As I understand DA2 will have a 10 year span and will start during the blight. But I feel that the Witch Hunt DLC have a weird ending. I don't like that characters that have so much more to give just disappear or will be mentioned in a short conversation, or show up in a short cameo role.

Is it only me who feels this way, and what's your thought about this? And DA2?

Of course you're not the only one - this is the reason I have no interest what-so-ever, in DA:2 

[Meltemph]

to start making games as deep

The funny part is, everything Cook did was to try and simplify the world for th game. His version of the Manuel of the Planes I think shows this well.

[AlanC9]

Bratt1204 wrote...
Of course you're not the only one - this is the reason I have no interest what-so-ever, in DA:2 

Not interested in buying it, you mean. You're interested enough to read and post about it.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...
Of course you're not the only one - this is the reason I have no interest what-so-ever, in DA:2 

Not interested in buying it, you mean. You're interested enough to read and post about it.

::Sniff sniff::  I smell pwnage.

[upsettingshorts]

Bratt1204 wrote...
Of course you're not the only one - this is the reason I have no interest what-so-ever, in DA:2 

Were those voicing these views so apathetic towards Origins before it came out because the protagonist was new to them, then?

Color me confused by the whole mindset, honestly.  

Well, except for those who upon reflection decide to re-state their arguments as being more about how profoundly unsatisfied they were with the Warden's story as told through DA:O and it's expansion/DLC and less to do with Hawke or the concept of a new protagonist.  That I can understand.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:56 .

[Nyaore]

arathor_87 wrote...


Well, not all the players want to imagine what happens, some puppylove at a beach somewhere.

And ok I understand why Dragon Age 2 will be different. BUT one thing I don't like is how they ended the Wardens time. In the Witch Hunt Morrigan tells the Warden that a new bigger threat is coming, Flemeth. 

So with this in his mind, why would he just dissapear? Where will he go? I mean, if Morrigan tells about a new threat he just don't vanish, he will fight it. This is the thing that bothers me and doesn't make sense at all. 

DA2 take place just after the blight and over a 10 year span after that. If the story is that Hawke is killing Flemeth or  the big threat  than Morrigan was talking about, it will really ****** me off, because it will make no sense at all. You just don't throw away the Hero of Ferelden likte this, he deservers a better ending in my opinion. Or did he go to Denerim and played poker while a bigger threat was coming? We talking about the warden who defeated the Archdemon without any help from other grey wardens (except Alistair). Without the Hero of Ferelden, Hawke would be dead.  

This is my opinion, so you don't need call me things because of this. I think DA2 will be good, but I still want to see the warden again.. 

*laughs* Oh don't worry, the puppylove won't last long. That's really only what's happening directly after the events from DA:O. After the honeymoon is over they'll go back to screaming at each other like a normal couple.

Frankly I really wish they had never included the expansions for the first game, as I felt that the ending that Origins itself provided was quite well done. You defeated the big evil, saved the world (well, really, you just saved a few countries from being destroyed as the other Wardens would have eventually gotten rid of the Archdemon if you weren't there), potentially won the heart of your love interest, and then got to choose what you'd be doing now that your greatest adventure had ended. Awakenings and Witch Hunt, the latter far more than the former, especially just brought up far more questions than they answered, and ruined what was otherwise a satisfactory ending from a written standpoint. I know not everyone feels that way, but as a writer I felt it wrapped up nicely.

Modifié par Nyaore, 14 octobre 2010 - 06:05 .

[Merced256]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...
Of course you're not the only one - this is the reason I have no interest what-so-ever, in DA:2 

Not interested in buying it, you mean. You're interested enough to read and post about it.

::Sniff sniff::  I smell pwnage.

pwnage? Really? <_<

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Merced256 wrote...

pwnage? Really? <_<

Correct.  Pwnage.

[arathor_87]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...
Of course you're not the only one - this is the reason I have no interest what-so-ever, in DA:2 

Not interested in buying it, you mean. You're interested enough to read and post about it.

Or maybe he found a thread named disappointed and wanted to share his thoughts?

[Nozybidaj]

AlanC9 wrote...


Not interested in buying it, you mean.

Correct.

[AlanC9]

arathor_87 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...
Of course you're not the only one - this is the reason I have no interest what-so-ever, in DA:2 

Not interested in buying it, you mean. You're interested enough to read and post about it.

Or maybe he found a thread named disappointed and wanted to share his thoughts?

He's so uninterested in the game that he's reading threads about it?

[arathor_87]

Loria232 wrote...

still a lot of crying in this tread, DG must be pleased

I don't think its crying, BW are no gods. Thet can make mistakes, and many people think they made a mistake with the ending of the Warden.

Morrigan told the warden that a new threat is coming, eye to eye.. And do you think the Warden just will vanish and never show himself again after a statement like that? I mean, he is the hero of Ferelden, not the chicken of Ferelden.

But I also understand they want to come with new ideas and characters, but to hrow away the Warden for all future After what Morrigan said to him would be weird, or even stupid from MY point of view.  A hero will continue to fight evil until he dies, not vanishing forever. Thats why I think the end of the Warden is terrible, not that the second game is about Hawke (even if my first message looks like that).

Modifié par arathor_87, 14 octobre 2010 - 06:33 .

[Bratt1204]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...
Of course you're not the only one - this is the reason I have no interest what-so-ever, in DA:2 

Were those voicing these views so apathetic towards Origins before it came out because the protagonist was new to them, then?

Color me confused by the whole mindset, honestly.  

Well, except for those who upon reflection decide to re-state their arguments as being more about how profoundly unsatisfied they were with the Warden's story as told through DA:O and it's expansion/DLC and less to do with Hawke or the concept of a new protagonist.  That I can understand.

Yes but now that our Warden is familiar I have zero interest in playing a supposed SEQUEL as some unknown Hawke. It's not a sequel, its a entirely different game and it should marketed as such.

[Bratt1204]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...
Of course you're not the only one - this is the reason I have no interest what-so-ever, in DA:2 

Not interested in buying it, you mean. You're interested enough to read and post about it.

Correct.

[upsettingshorts]

Bratt1204 wrote...
Yes but now that our Warden is familiar I have zero interest in playing a supposed SEQUEL as some unknown Hawke. It's not a sequel, its a entirely different game and it should marketed as such.

So your problem is with the name and marketing?  So if they changed the name to Dragon Age: Mr Hawke Goes to Kirkwall you'd change your mind?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 14 octobre 2010 - 06:40 .

[Meltemph]

Yes but now that our Warden is familiar I have zero interest in playing a supposed SEQUEL as some unknown Hawke. It's not a sequel, its a entirely different game and it should marketed as such.

Your definition of what is needed in a sequel and the actual definition of sequel is different...

[Zanaide]

Nyaore wrote...

Frankly I really wish they had never included the expansions for the first game, as I felt that the ending that Origins itself provided was quite well done. You defeated the big evil, saved the world (well, really, you just saved a few countries from being destroyed as the other Wardens would have eventually gotten rid of the Archdemon if you weren't there), potentially won the heart of your love interest, and then got to choose what you'd be doing now that your greatest adventure had ended. Awakenings and Witch Hunt, the latter far more than the former, especially just brought up far more questions than they answered, and ruined what was otherwise a satisfactory ending from a written standpoint. I know not everyone feels that way, but as a writer I felt it wrapped up nicely.

Now there, I do agree. While I like DLC (I mean c'mon.. Shale is basically my favorite character), I was dissatisfied with how Awakenings epilogues sounded. I didn't mind Origins ending with "That's not the last we heard of the Warden's advetures" but.. Disappearing into the nether for no apparent reason.. meh.

[Merced256]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...
Yes but now that our Warden is familiar I have zero interest in playing a supposed SEQUEL as some unknown Hawke. It's not a sequel, its a entirely different game and it should marketed as such.

So your problem is with the name and marketing?  So if they changed the name to Dragon Age: Mr Hawke Goes to Kirkwall you'd change your mind?

at least then the name would fit the target audience, haw haw haw

[upsettingshorts]

Merced256 wrote...
at least then the name would fit the target audience, haw haw haw

You mean people who have seen pre-war Jimmy Stewart movies?

[Zanaide]

arathor_87 wrote...

But I also understand they want to come with new ideas and characters, but to hrow away the Warden for all future After what Morrigan said to him would be weird, or even stupid from MY point of view.  A hero will continue to fight evil until he dies, not vanishing forever. Thats why I think the end of the Warden is terrible, not that the second game is about Hawke (even if my first message looks like that).

The problem is, you don't really know what Bioware is planning for the future. This is a new gaming franchise and there are many stories and possibilities to explore over the course of the next 70-some years that are left in The Dragon Age. Why limit yourself to only playing a near demi-god, someone who has carved out their role in that age. We might play the Warden again or we might not. Unless you know what the script is for DA2 and subsequent games it's pointless to make statements such as BioWare is throwing out the Warden and all we accomplished in DA:O/A/DLC.

I see where you're coming from but none of us know for sure what BioWare is planning for the future except the people that work there and I'm sure they all have non-disclosure contracts.