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[pizoxuat]

Could someone PM me a link to the rogue video? I'm curious.

[ankuu]

After i saw this title i rushed to see the video. Bad bad me! Now i am even more anxious ><



Let's not forget that the demo is the same as it was in august, so the graphics surely improved since then (in the main game). Also, it's hacky/slashy because it's the exaggerated part.



I want the gaaaaaame I hope they won't delay it...It's in right now (see AC:B for PC, Fable 3 for PC).

[tmp7704]

There's rogue video out there? Dang, wouldn't mind link to that one too...

edit: got it, ty

Modifié par tmp7704, 13 octobre 2010 - 06:27 .

[Merced256]

ankuu wrote...
Also, it's hacky/slashy because it's the exaggerated part.

Really? So you know definitively that the game slows down a lot after this exaggerated part even though we've had zero context in which to frame mike's assertions? Cool, no really, totally awesome brah.

[nightcobra]

Merced256 wrote...

ankuu wrote...
Also, it's hacky/slashy because it's the exaggerated part.

Really? So you know definitively that the game slows down a lot after this exaggerated part even though we've had zero context in which to frame mike's assertions? Cool, no really, totally awesome brah.

i guess he meant that the exaggeration gives off the illusion of a hack and slasher due to the sum of: very strong protagonists, very weak enemies, fast animations (present in both exaggerated and real parts) and that all attacks are treated as critical hits as explained in peter thomas gameplay questions thread and others.

[ErichHartmann]

Hack n' slash games typically have minimal storylines. There is no rule stating this has to be true. There is no reason why BioWare shouldn't tinker with combat animations, especially since DAO fell short in that area.

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 13 octobre 2010 - 06:38 .

[David Gaider]

Merced256 wrote...
Really? So you know definitively that the game slows down a lot after this exaggerated part even though we've had zero context in which to frame mike's assertions? Cool, no really, totally awesome brah.

...or you could wait until we provide the gameplay video rather than leaping to conclusions based on shaky footage taken out of context. That would, in fact, be the context you're looking for from Mike's assertions.

[pizoxuat]

I liked that more than I disliked it. It felt a little inconsistent, the slower running speed compared to all his combat moves, but that's something that could be a result of the exaggeration or could be worked out pre-release.

[tmp7704]

I think it's result of the running speed being left at about the same level it's in DAO -- there's moves to leap into combat or charge instantly, but when these aren't available it's back to the usual shuffle. Plus iirc the dev thread, enemies shuffle like usual and keep all the drawbacks from the first game (inductions for casting etc)

[David Gaider]

pizoxuat wrote...
I liked that more than I disliked it. It felt a little inconsistent, the slower running speed compared to all his combat moves, but that's something that could be a result of the exaggeration or could be worked out pre-release.

I believe that, as of that demo, the rogue moves had far less work done than the warrior moves-- and I know the timing on them in particular was something the gameplay team was planning to work on. So the "speed" of the animations (which is, essentially, just the "interrupt" allowance for a given animation sequence, although I imagine there are other tweaks involved) is still something that'll change a lot between now and release.

[pizoxuat]

That makes sense to me. I like the overall flavor and as far from release as the demo build is, that's all I care about.

[Amioran]

Herr Uhl wrote...
To be fair, all of those threads get locked and the search function is bad at best.

Still when they get locked they have more than 10 pages each all the time and the search function also if not perfect will suffice for a simple thing as that. It's just that they don't either take the time to look.

[Merced256]

David Gaider wrote...

Merced256 wrote...
Really? So you know definitively that the game slows down a lot after this exaggerated part even though we've had zero context in which to frame mike's assertions? Cool, no really, totally awesome brah.

...or you could wait until we provide the gameplay video rather than leaping to conclusions based on shaky footage taken out of context. That would, in fact, be the context you're looking for from Mike's assertions.

So you're going to slow hawke's warrior charge down to something that isn't functionally the same as the "blink" we saw from bethany? Bravo.

Modifié par Merced256, 13 octobre 2010 - 06:54 .

[Amioran]

Merced256 wrote...

Really? So you know definitively that the game slows down a lot after this exaggerated part even though we've had zero context in which to frame mike's assertions? Cool, no really, totally awesome brah.

It is just logic sense and a bit of knowledge of what's being talked about, you genius. If you have enemies that die in one/two hits, blood sparking all around, no micromanagement needed etc. the action seems much faster than usual. It is a well known trick of accelerating the action used a lot in entertainment mediums, as movies. You get the protagonist to kill enemies one after the other and the speed of the action goes faster and faster on each of them, in crescendo.

Imagine the same gameplay where the hero stops 1/2 minutes on a group of enemies at once, then you switch characters to micromanage, you don't have all high-end abilities and all of that, then it is all another thing, don't you suppose to? It doesn't take a genius to understand it. Either the animations seems much faster because the background action accelerates them with itself.

Modifié par Amioran, 13 octobre 2010 - 07:01 .

[nightcobra]

Amioran wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

Really? So you know definitively that the game slows down a lot after this exaggerated part even though we've had zero context in which to frame mike's assertions? Cool, no really, totally awesome brah.

It is just logic sense and a bit of knowledge of what's being talked about, you genius. If you have enemies that die in one/two hits, blood sparking all around, no micromanagement needed etc. the action seems much faster than usual. It is a well known trick of accelerating the action used a lot in entertainment mediums, as movies. You get the protagonist to kill enemies one after the other and the speed of the action goes faster and faster on each of them, in crescendo.

Imagine the same gameplay where the hero stops 1/2 minutes on a group of enemies at once, then you switch characters to micromanage, you don't have all high-end abilities and all of that, then it is all another thing, don't you suppose to? It doesn't take a genius to understand it. Either the animations seems much faster because the background action accelerates them with itself.

more or less what i said 

[Merced256]

Amioran wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

Really? So you know definitively that the game slows down a lot after this exaggerated part even though we've had zero context in which to frame mike's assertions? Cool, no really, totally awesome brah.

It is just logic sense and a bit of knowledge of what's being talked about, you genius. If you have enemies that die in one/two hits, blood sparking all around, no micromanagement needed etc. the action seems much faster than usual. It is a well known trick of accelerating the action used a lot in entertainment mediums, as movies. You get the protagonist to kill enemies one after the other and the speed of the action goes faster and faster on each of them, in crescendo.

Imagine the same gameplay where the hero stops 1/2 minutes on a group of enemies at once, then you switch characters to micromanage, you don't have all high-end abilities and all of that, then it is all another thing, don't you suppose to? It doesn't take a genius to understand it. Either the animations seems much faster because the background action accelerates them with itself.

Uh what? The whole point was that we have nothing to compare it against. So how can someone logically refute the fact that it looks hack & slash without anything to back that up with besides what Laidlaw has said. I don't even recall him saying combat wasn't hack & slash. Only that it would be slower. Gee, doesn't even seem to me he has attempted to quantify how much slower it is. So it could be a little slower, a lot slower, moderately slower, genius. So what exactly was incorrect with my statement? We still have nothing to compare it against yet geniuses present a counter argument without any evidence.

Modifié par Merced256, 13 octobre 2010 - 07:07 .

[Meltemph]

So how can someone logically refute the fact that it looks hack & slash

Do you even know what a hack and slash is?

[ankuu]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Merced256 wrote...

ankuu wrote...
Also, it's hacky/slashy because it's the exaggerated part.

Really? So you know definitively that the game slows down a lot after this exaggerated part even though we've had zero context in which to frame mike's assertions? Cool, no really, totally awesome brah.

i guess he meant that the exaggeration gives off the illusion of a hack and slasher due to the sum of: very strong protagonists, very weak enemies, fast animations (present in both exaggerated and real parts) and that all attacks are treated as critical hits as explained in peter thomas gameplay questions thread and others.

My point exactly And i am a she

Now i have to search for the rogue video to feed my nerdism.

Edit: omg you can hear Hawke's voice in the rogue one

Modifié par ankuu, 13 octobre 2010 - 07:26 .

[Merced256]

Meltemph wrote...

So how can someone logically refute the fact that it looks hack & slash

Do you even know what a hack and slash is?

:innocent:

No, i was in a cave for the 10 years that diablo and diablo 2 ruled over the industry. Can you at least put forth some effort if you're going to attempt to insult me, thanks.

[Meltemph]

No, i was in a cave for the 10 years that diablo and diablo 2 ruled over the industry. Can you at least put forth some effort if you're going to attempt to insult me, thanks.

About the over simplified response I would expect from you, why I decided to actually respond to your post is beyond me. Enjoy your continuous quest.

[Gvaz]

Unless the game plays more like Dragon Age Origins on the PC, I shant be buying it, and neither will most of the fans who liked the combat of DAO.



Give us KOTOR3 jerks.

[Merced256]

Meltemph wrote...

No, i was in a cave for the 10 years that diablo and diablo 2 ruled over the industry. Can you at least put forth some effort if you're going to attempt to insult me, thanks.

About the over simplified response I would expect from you, why I decided to actually respond to your post is beyond me. Enjoy your continuous quest.

Yes, and don't forget your ball.

[errant_knight]

David Gaider wrote...

pizoxuat wrote...
I liked that more than I disliked it. It felt a little inconsistent, the slower running speed compared to all his combat moves, but that's something that could be a result of the exaggeration or could be worked out pre-release.

I believe that, as of that demo, the rogue moves had far less work done than the warrior moves-- and I know the timing on them in particular was something the gameplay team was planning to work on. So the "speed" of the animations (which is, essentially, just the "interrupt" allowance for a given animation sequence, although I imagine there are other tweaks involved) is still something that'll change a lot between now and release.

That's good to know!

[Gvaz]

David Gaider wrote...

Merced256 wrote...
Really? So you know definitively that the game slows down a lot after this exaggerated part even though we've had zero context in which to frame mike's assertions? Cool, no really, totally awesome brah.

...or you could wait until we provide the gameplay video rather than leaping to conclusions based on shaky footage taken out of context. That would, in fact, be the context you're looking for from Mike's assertions.

Look. These "its a shaky cam guys, and its just an exaggerated part of the beginning of the game in the demo" means more than saying what DA2 is outright. From your statements you can infer that in the full game, this is what it actually plays like, animations aside. You admit, that it tones down a bit. Since this is a press demo?, that you picked the part of the game that is what the devs think that the press? would find "the most fun". In other words, the conclusion I'm coming to is you're essentially fooling everyone into thinking it's a totally different game.

Maybe now you get why everyone is so concerned?

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

GvazElite wrote...

Unless the game plays more like Dragon Age Origins on the PC, I shant be buying it, and neither will most of the fans who liked the combat of DAO.

Give us KOTOR3 jerks.

Wrong.

And stop living in the past.