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[Icinix]

I hope it's darker...



and more mature.. you know..with bewbs and stuff...No I kid, I kid.





Or do I....? ^ . -



For all the information so far, it looks to be on par or slightly more...either is good. Less would be bad.

[Xewaka]

Wait. Wait wait wait wait.



Origins' story was dark?



I was woefully misinformed.

[Kerilus]

Xewaka wrote...

Wait. Wait wait wait wait.

Origins' story was dark?

I was woefully misinformed.

The Gods of Thedas say it is dark, and so it is dark.
But seriously, though DA:O's story is not light, neither is it very dark.

[Leonia]

Korva wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

I don't really think it's that, I think it's got more to do with the fact that all these dark and terrible things happen to people and places you honestly don't give a about. They throw out these dark themes involving random people and events from out of the blue, never actually giving you a chance to connect or relate with anything and really dimming the feeling a scene is trying to portray.

That is an interesting point. It depends partly on how much a given character strikes a chord with you -- I "bonded" immediately with the Cousland family and liked Duncan and Cailan too, so the human noble origin and Ostagar "worked" for me. But in general, yeah, I agree. Which is a shame. I particularly loathe the use of rape in that context.

One example of them really dropping the ball was Lothering, IMO. If we had we spent more time there, been given a chance to get to know and care for at least some "spotlight" NPCs (the head cleric, the head Templar and the town elder all were nice people for example), it could have had an impact. As it is, no one cares abour or mentions the place. Not even Leliana seems bothered by the fact that the people who gave her sanctuary were all horribly wiped out. And there's not even a cutscene of the attack, all we get is a silly skull on the map.

KotOR handled a similar situation better, with the razing of Taris by the Sith. That sort of thing shouldn't go unnoticed by the player.

Perhaps will get to see more about Lothering's fate in DA 2? I agree though on your comment regarding KOTOR, that was done very well.

[Icinix]

^^^ Lothering in DA2 would be awesome if you saw cutscenes of that lady with the traps running away, and darkspawn getting trapped so she can escape, or killed if you didn't. The elder helping wounded out by the dozens if you have her health poultices, but only a few if you don't.



There are a whole bunch of things that could occur depending on how you played through lothering, and setting the tone of DA2 with the brutal slaying of lothering with your wardens choices would be a hell of a way to start.



Note : Really there were two separate points there, one of them because I wanted to preach my ideas and the second - basically, by starting the game with that, it's already dark / darker than DA:O.

[DarthCaine]

lol, DAO wasn't at all dark

Play The Witcher if you want a dark story

[upsettingshorts]

DarthCaine wrote...

Play The Witcher if you want a dark story hilariously juvenile naked women collectible card game

Fixed.

[Icinix]

The Witcher is dark yes, but Dragon Age dealt with some heavy situations that are...well..they're dark as well.



Not saying it's going to make you wet the bed, or leave haunting thoughts bouncing around your skull, but it doesn't have to do that to be 'dark'. Saying that DA:O isn't dark is like saying Solitaire isn't a click fest.

[joriandrake]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Play The Witcher if you want a dark story hilariously juvenile naked women collectible card game

Fixed.

after all those threads and comments, my troll-sense is finally tingling

[Nerevar-as]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Play The Witcher if you want a dark story hilariously juvenile naked women collectible card game

Fixed.

Play the game before "fixing" things.

[upsettingshorts]

I have. I like The Witcher.

[RyuAzai]

David Gaider wrote...

ThunderfoxF wrote...
Yeah it was pretty dark.
No it wasn't low fantasy, but it wasn't exactly high either.

To me it falls with works like Conan which is I would classify as "Dark Fantasy"

Honestly, I don't think it falls easily into any definition-- but, then, I suspect is same for most works that aren't seminal examples of the genre. And as AngryPants pointed out, I'm not sure what the definition really gains us.

Personally I consider the "low" part of the fantasy coming from the fact that DA is a world where people act like real people first (regardless of what they are otherwise) and where fantastical things happen inside a realistic context. But it's "high" fantasy because the magic is very powerful, and permeates the setting-- even if it doesn't have flying castles and unicorns. It's "dark" because it doesn't shy away from mature subject matter and doesn't have a morale dichotomy as its center-- but it does have fantastical evil (the darkspawn and the blight) and yet doesn't dwell on it in a gritty, ugly way as some dark fantasy can.

So how would you categorize that? Like with most categories, you can only fit it in there by ignoring what makes it different. To me, I think it's what's different that makes it special. But to each their own.

Personally, I think it is 'needs to be in my hands now' fantasy.

But on a serious note, playing Dragon Age and in general Bioware games has really kinda opened my eyes to real stories.  I just can't stay sastified with little boys wielding huge swords, and really linear stories.  

I am almost becoming elitest, something I need to shake off,  that I measure all games compared to Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and my recently purchase baldurs gate(Though I don't understand D&D rules so I die a lot. Still Minsc is entertaing )

[Shad0wOGRE]

Dragon Age is Grey Fantasy... What is Grey Fantasy? Dragon Age is a good example.



If I just coined that term I want credit.

[Wulfram]

CommanderNuetral wrote...

Dragon Age is Grey Fantasy... What is Grey Fantasy? Dragon Age is a good example.

If I just coined that term I want credit.

Grey Fantasy sounds like fantasy for old people

[AllThatJazz]

leonia42 wrote...

Korva wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

I don't really think it's that, I think it's got more to do with the fact that all these dark and terrible things happen to people and places you honestly don't give a about. They throw out these dark themes involving random people and events from out of the blue, never actually giving you a chance to connect or relate with anything and really dimming the feeling a scene is trying to portray.

That is an interesting point. It depends partly on how much a given character strikes a chord with you -- I "bonded" immediately with the Cousland family and liked Duncan and Cailan too, so the human noble origin and Ostagar "worked" for me. But in general, yeah, I agree. Which is a shame. I particularly loathe the use of rape in that context.

One example of them really dropping the ball was Lothering, IMO. If we had we spent more time there, been given a chance to get to know and care for at least some "spotlight" NPCs (the head cleric, the head Templar and the town elder all were nice people for example), it could have had an impact. As it is, no one cares abour or mentions the place. Not even Leliana seems bothered by the fact that the people who gave her sanctuary were all horribly wiped out. And there's not even a cutscene of the attack, all we get is a silly skull on the map.

KotOR handled a similar situation better, with the razing of Taris by the Sith. That sort of thing shouldn't go unnoticed by the player.

Perhaps will get to see more about Lothering's fate in DA 2? I agree though on your comment regarding KOTOR, that was done very well.

Agreed, about KotOR and Lothering. Maybe we'll get to see the terrible fate that no doubt befell that little boy helped by the Warden on the bridge in Lothering. Virtual kiddies getting killed by evil monsters always = dark dark story of darkness.

[ErichHartmann]

DarthCaine wrote...

lol, DAO wasn't at all dark

Play The Witcher if you want a dark story

The Witcher is not that dark either.  Found myself laughing most of the time.  The really "dark" issues are simply implied through dialogue.  Nothing I haven't seen before.     

[David Gaider]

Zlarm wrote...
I find it rather comedic that you don't think it falls into any genre given how many times we heard it called "dark heroic fantasy".

Yes, well, if you think trying to market a game with a complete breakdown of what "category" it falls into would actually be interesting to anyone that isn't sitting here on these forums-- then you probably shouldn't be working in marketing.

Overall I'd say it's dark enough and heroic enough to deserve the name, and apart from people who try to show how clever they are by putting up examples of things they think are darker or better I don't think anyone really cares.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:03 .

[AlexXIV]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Play The Witcher if you want a dark story hilariously juvenile naked women collectible card game

Fixed.

Play the game before "fixing" things.

Blah and there I thought it may be worth buying. I like hilariously juvenile naked women collectible card games.

[DarthCaine]

David Gaider wrote...

Overall I'd say it's dark enough and heroic enough to deserve the name, and apart from people who try to show how clever they are by putting up examples of things they think are darker or better I don't think anyone really cares.

Heroic, yes, I can't deny that. But dark doesn't mean lots of blood and a few mentions of rape. DAO is no more dark than LOTR or DnD.

Dark fantasy in my book would include: actual on screen rape, torture of children, poverty everywhere, constant murders and robbing, cannibals, lots of blood, nudity, sex, drugs and alcohol, profanity, lots of torture, dark bleak outcomes for EVERY action and in no case a happy ending. (The Witcher fits a lot of these, while DAO loosely fits one or two).

Dark fantasy needs an dark bleak atmosphere of depression. DAO has a high fantasy atmosphere of LOTR and DnD.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:40 .

[Leonia]

Good thing we don't all follow your book. I got enough of a "dark" vibe from Origins without seeing all that stuff on screen.

I would find your posts more interesting if you weren't constantly promoting The Witcher. These are the Dragon Age 2 forums after all.

Modifié par leonia42, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:20 .

[AlexXIV]

DarthCaine wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Overall I'd say it's dark enough and heroic enough to deserve the name, and apart from people who try to show how clever they are by putting up examples of things they think are darker or better I don't think anyone really cares.

Heroic, yes, I can't deny that. But dark doesn't mean lots of blood and a few mentions of rape. DAO is no more dark than LOTR or DnD.

Dark fantasy in my book would include: actual on screen rape, torture of children, poverty everywhere, constant murders and robbing, cannibals, lots of blood, nudity, profanity, lots of torture, dark bleak outcomes for EVERY action and in no case a happy ending. (The Witcher fits a lot of these, while DAO loosely fits one or two)

Well in that case I am glad Dragon Age is not dark fantasy. If I want to throw up I will just get drunk.

[DarthCaine]

leonia42 wrote...

I would find your posts more interesting if you weren't constantly promoting The Witcher. These are the Dragon Age 2 forums after all.

Look, I love DAO (and all BioWare games for that matter), but I'm just saying what The Witcher did far better and how BioWare can improve their game

[Shining Ghost]

I wish it was psychologically dark like Nolan's Batman movies.

[Herr Uhl]

DarthCaine wrote...

Dark fantasy in my book would include: actual on screen rape, torture of children, poverty everywhere, constant murders and robbing, cannibals, lots of blood, nudity, profanity, lots of torture, dark bleak outcomes for EVERY action and in no case a happy ending. (The Witcher fits a lot of these, while DAO loosely fits one or two). Dark fantasy needs an dark bleak atmosphere of depression. DAO has a high fantasy atmosphere of LOTR and DnD

Cannibals? Really?

[Leonia]

DarthCaine wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I would find your posts more interesting if you weren't constantly promoting The Witcher. These are the Dragon Age 2 forums after all.

Look, I love DAO (and all BioWare games for that matter), but I'm just saying what The Witcher did far better and how BioWare can improve their game

And look, we get it. Your signature says it all. We all know which you prefer. It just gets old when everything is compared to that one game. Different games, different stories, different genres. It is like comparing apples and oranges, sure they are both fruits and delicious but they aren't the same thing and they never will be.

Modifié par leonia42, 13 octobre 2010 - 03:26 .