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[Beerfish]

Oh ME2, though not perfect by any means and with some flaws had some tremendously well written characters and some decent continuity with at least Tali. With a large number of potential companions you are going to have some hits and misses but some of them were very good indeed in my opinion.

[Remus Artega]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Bring back Drew.

We can only hope that someone from Bioware actually pay attention to this thread...

[Chignon]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Ceasefire wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Bring back Drew.

Seconded.

Thirded and fourthed.

Fifthed, Drew has to return and work with Mac, ME1's Main plot was better.

Sixthed ... I can forgive a couple of side quests not being all that great, but when the main story fails to meet expectations there needs to be some reevaluating done.

Seventhed.

[Fraevar]

Chignon wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Ceasefire wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Bring back Drew.

Seconded.

Thirded and fourthed.

Fifthed, Drew has to return and work with Mac, ME1's Main plot was better.

Sixthed ... I can forgive a couple of side quests not being all that great, but when the main story fails to meet expectations there needs to be some reevaluating done.

Seventhed.

Eighthed.

[Tasker]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Chignon wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Ceasefire wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Bring back Drew.

Seconded.

Thirded and fourthed.

Fifthed, Drew has to return and work with Mac, ME1's Main plot was better.

Sixthed ... I can forgive a couple of side quests not being all that great, but when the main story fails to meet expectations there needs to be some reevaluating done.

Seventhed.

Eighthed.

Ninethed

[FireEye]

Orkboy wrote...

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Chignon wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

Ceasefire wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
Bring back Drew.

Seconded.

Thirded and fourthed.

Fifthed, Drew has to return and work with Mac, ME1's Main plot was better.

Sixthed ... I can forgive a couple of side quests not being all that great, but when the main story fails to meet expectations there needs to be some reevaluating done.

Seventhed.

Eighthed.

Ninethed

Tenthed. 

[phatpat63]

"For the latest DLC, “Lair of the Shadow Broker,” I just reviewed the work of my co-workers."
Shocking, no really I'm shocked Mac had virtually nothing to do with LotSB. It's only the best writing of ME2, head and shoulders above the main game. How could Mac have not worked on it? <_<

Seriously, Mr. Walters seems like a really cool person, and I'm sure he puts a ton of very hard work into everything he does for Bioware. And while ME2 is packed with ineresting, multidimensional characters and consistantly solid dialogue, the main plot/narrative of the game is trapped in some limbo, nether-realm between horrendus and non-existant.

For ME3 Bioware either needs to get Drew a skipe account and a fax machine, or give someone else a shot at the lead writer chair. Perhaps whoever led the LotSB team, they did a wonderful job considering what the had to work with.

[Fraevar]

They also need to make sure big events like the main protagonist dying actually go somewhere and don't just serve as a red herring for re-booted game mechanics. But that is just a specific part of the overall weak ME2 story.

[morrie23]

phatpat63 wrote...
*snip*
Perhaps whoever led the LotSB team, they did a wonderful job considering what the had to work with.

That would be Patrick Weekes I believe.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Drew! Drew! Drew! Drew!


Edit: It's not that I don't like Mac Walters, but I prefer the overall tone/feeling of Mass 1 to Mass 2. Mass Effect 1 was very original, it had that new, sci fi feeling. Mass 2 just feels like too much of a blockbuster movie. More action involved than story. 

-Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:17 .

[Deviija]

implodinggoat wrote...

The interesting thing is that Karpashyn's greatest strength (creating an epic overacring story) is Walter's greatest weakness, while Walter's greatest strength (creating short independent stories and memorable minor character's) is Karpashyn's greatest weakness.

Indeed.  I have stated as much in the other writer threads.  How unfortunate.

[Elvis_Mazur]

Did not like what he said about forgeting some characters' fate. That shows he is at least a little disconnected from the game. But, still a good interview.

[adneate]

phatpat63 wrote...

"For the latest DLC, “Lair of the Shadow Broker,” I just reviewed the work of my co-workers."
Shocking, no really I'm shocked Mac had virtually nothing to do with LotSB. It's only the best writing of ME2, head and shoulders above the main game. How could Mac have not worked on it?

Ever thought that, that was why it was actually good. He's like the touch of death for character development and consistency, if it's got Mac you know it's gonna be painful and disconnected.

Give Patrick Weekes the top writing job on ME3 and stick Mac in a broom closet or replace him with one of those typing monkeys. It's not like the plot could get any worse.

[jlb524]

JamieCOTC wrote...



Part of the wonder of ME1 was exploring Shepard as a character. I realize part of that was due to the fact that we were playing Shep for the first time and that aspect will never be recaptured. Still, ME2 felt like Shepard was guest starring in his/her own game rather than growing as a character. I don’t want an avatar to feed on a narcissistic need to shoot bad guys and save the universe. I want a character that I can develop through actions, dialogue and choices and also shoot bad guys and save the universe.

A million times yes!

[The_Numerator]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I don’t want an avatar to feed on a narcissistic need to shoot bad guys and save the universe.

I would like to know this statement means.

It is... a difficult thing. I fear my interest may be mistaken as seeking a pretext for conflict.

I mean, what do you mean by that statement? Like, could you elaborate a bit further? Specific examples you have in mind, maybe? I don't think I'm getting a complete picture.

[implodinggoat]

Deviija wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

The interesting thing is that Karpashyn's greatest strength (creating an epic overacring story) is Walter's greatest weakness, while Walter's greatest strength (creating short independent stories and memorable minor character's) is Karpashyn's greatest weakness.

Indeed.  I have stated as much in the other writer threads.  How unfortunate.

Even though I definitely prefer Drew Karpashyn's work (and even though the Cerberus plotline in ME2 pisses me off royally), I think people are being a little too hard on Mac in this thread.

Mac can't hold a candle to Drew when it comes to writing an epic story and he really needs to have someone sitting over his shoulder to keep him from ****ing up the continuity or rewriting existing characters and factions to suit his short term needs; but when it comes to delivering memorable independent missions and minor characters he does a really great job.

Having Mac come in to write side quests and stories for the character's he created (gotta admit I'm a big fan of Aria) could do a lot to give the ME3 storyline some nice variety and change of pace when you're not following the main storyline.

Drew's ME1 had an amazing main story interrupted by easily forgettable side quests while Mac's ME2 had an easily forgettable and thoroughly frustrating main story punctuated by unique and memorable side quests.

If Bioware keeps Mac away from the main storyline and keeps him from screwing up Drew's characters, then he has a lot to offer.  He just needs to stick to what he's good at rather than trying to hammer a bunch of independently strong short stories into an incoherent main storyline.

And for the love of God keep him away from Liara.

PS:  I agree that Patrick Weekes did an awesome job on LOTSB despite the butchered version of Liara's character and nonsensical revenge backstory that Walters dropped in his lap.  And I hope that he plays a much bigger role in ME3 than he did in ME2.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 15 octobre 2010 - 03:25 .

[Beerfish]

adneate wrote...

phatpat63 wrote...

"For the latest DLC, “Lair of the Shadow Broker,” I just reviewed the work of my co-workers."
Shocking, no really I'm shocked Mac had virtually nothing to do with LotSB. It's only the best writing of ME2, head and shoulders above the main game. How could Mac have not worked on it?

Ever thought that, that was why it was actually good. He's like the touch of death for character development and consistency, if it's got Mac you know it's gonna be painful and disconnected.

Give Patrick Weekes the top writing job on ME3 and stick Mac in a broom closet or replace him with one of those typing monkeys. It's not like the plot could get any worse.

Wow you are a real bowl of sunshine.  We get it after your 5th post or so totally slagging the guy in every way I think we get the message.  As far as development and consistency Liara is about the only one that seems much different than the rest in ME2 as far as companions.  A few of the characters are somewhat weak but a number of them are really pretty good in my opinion.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:16 .

[Mox Ruuga]

adneate wrote...

Wouldn't Mac have to have strengths in order for someone to compliment them? Unless you consider shoddy writing, railroading the player and an utter contempt for the entire concept of continuity a strength I don't see what he did well in ME2. Mass Effect 3 is the end of the trilogy why in God's name would you give it to someone who time and time again has shown they are not competent and not up to the task. Unless, by some miracle, in the intervening time he's become a different writer who can actually write convincing characters and plots I don't see the point of giving him another game to frack up.

Heh... And I though I had it in for the poor guy!

Nah, Mac is responsible for some of the better loved characters of Mass Effect, including Wrex, Garrus (tho I never got what was so awesome about him, most of the forums worship him), and Aria.

Just like others have suggested, bring back Drew to create and oversee the greater plot, and have Mac create awesome characters (tho not Liara... please leave her alone!  ) and shorter sub plots.

I don't think its going to happen tho. Our best bet is to hope Bioware have analyzed what went wrong with ME2, and make ME3 better.

[GodWood]

adneate wrote...

Give Patrick Weekes the top writing job

This.

[Fiery Phoenix]

FireEye wrote...

Tenthed. 

Eleventhed. Had to trim the pyramid, though.

[Terror_K]

GodWood wrote...

adneate wrote...
Give Patrick Weekes the top writing job

This.

This again. If Patrick was responsible for LotSB, then he really deserves to be lead writer with Drew elsewhere.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I support this as well. At the very least give Patrick the leading writer position for ME3.

[morrie23]

Jeez, Mac is getting some flak in this thread. Not that I don't agree, if he is ultimately responsible for ME2's plot then I think it's deserved.



I hope BioWare realise the asset they have in Patrick, the writing and characterisation in LotSB was that good.