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[Xewaka]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Ahh...What this game needs is dismemberment.

Give a go at Severance: Blade of Darkness. There is nothing quite as funny as chopping somebody's leg off, pick it up, and throw it at one of his buddies.

[Wulfram]

For my PC, I prefer armour which doesn't look like it's trying to look scary.

[Zhijn]

Xewaka wrote...

I fail to see why people assume realistic armor is somehow uncool. Full plate armor is a beauty to behold.

I agree!.

Altho i also agree that their need to be more armor choices. DAO armor were just awful how they all looked the same with just a change in overall color. Thankfully there was alot of talented modders who made some awesome changes.

We'v only seen hawk's "special" armor so fare, so i dont think its fair to say we'v seen one we have seen em all. I mean Cassandra had a full plate mix with leather on, so theres more to it then just hawk's flashy/spikey setup!.

Modifié par Zhijn, 27 octobre 2010 - 11:08 .

[Karlojey]

Of all the things you would nitpick it would be the armor. It's a fantasy game OP. Let's have some fantasy armor to add to the atmosphere.

No matter how real the armor design looks like, slapping on some runes for armor makes it not-so-real doesn't it?

[Xewaka]

All the armor budget went to massive armors in DA:O. They were lovely. The rest of the armors... were a bit lacking. But Legion of the Dead Armor, Colossus, and Massive DragonSlayer armor were beautiful. I specially loved the Legion of the Dead armor looks, but I'm a sucker for dwarven rectangular designs.

Karlojey wrote...

Of all the things you would nitpick it would be the armor. It's a fantasy game OP. Let's have some fantasy armor to add to the atmosphere.
No matter how real the armor design looks like, slapping on some runes for armor makes it not-so-real doesn't it?

Decorative runes wouldn't ruin a realistic armor at all. Again, look at some of the Massive armor designs in basic DA:O. Those meant business but were still stylish and nice on the eye.
Clean lines and neat surfaces with acid engraved regalia are cool. Useless spikes jutting from all the wrong places is not. Too much clutter detracts from the appeal.

Modifié par Xewaka, 27 octobre 2010 - 11:36 .

[JoHnDoE14]

Although I like the armour, it would be awesome they had made it more realistic, because it is indeed a bit ridiculous.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Xewaka wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Ahh...What this game needs is dismemberment.

Give a go at Severance: Blade of Darkness. There is nothing quite as funny as chopping somebody's leg off, pick it up, and throw it at one of his buddies.

Hey, thanks for the reccomendation. That game looks pretty cool, though it seems I missed it when it was initially released years ago. Seeing footage of it on Youtube kind of reminds me of a Viking themed game which came out about the same time, years back where your character was a murdered Viking trying to escape the Underworld. You had a variety of weapons, shields and could carve up enemies. It was fairly gruesome but you only had one character.

[Caralampio]

I wonder, maybe this armor he's wearing is darkspawn armor. It looks like the stuff the new darkspawn are wearing.

[Rattleface]

Hawke's armor is just to save face for the trailers, I'm guessing. It's used to appeal to people that get off on spikes and skin showing.

I'm sure conventional armors will still be in the game.

[Bilal Iqbal]

okay, two things.... as someone said before it is not fully covering armor because it letsyou move quicker, you can have the biggest bloody plate armoryou want but if you cant move, your dead, Simples...

Second, the reason that the left hand is unarmored is that most people used shields, and they used them on the left hand normally, so you wouldnt need armor on the left on the right, the right being the arm with the sword, so that would need the armor. The left side with the shield would not.

So the Hawke armor is designed with this in mind, but hawkes preference is without shield so he uses his swordstaff and his left arm therefore goes unarmed.

[KyleOrdrum]

Caralampio wrote...

Hawke's armor is rather ridiculous. It's just flashy, for those young minds that like to see pointy, spiked armor on warrior males, and near nudity on warrior females. Like they could stop swords and daggers with their bare skin...
First of all, it barely protects anything vital. He uses a two-handed sword, meaning both of his arms are at risk, but one is bare. 0 armor. Only part of one arm, parts of the legs and the base of the neck are protected.
On the few areas protected, the armor seems very uncomfortable... about two or three inches thick. Heavy and bulky.
And those spikes... (shiver) They seem dangerous indeed, but not to his enemies: To himself! He really would need to tiptoe around, and warn people not to slap his shoulders in a tavern. Those knee things specially, he might gut himself in a second!
Overall, I'd say it gives 4 armor at best, in DAO terms.

I got into kendo a few years back and know a few tricks about swordfighting.  That being said, you put on a full set of platemail and I'll wear a tee-shirt and jeans and we'll see who doesn't get gutted.  Armor was never truly that effective in europe, and in most instances knights needed to be lifted onto their horses and if they fell off they died.  It was kind of like watching a turtle try to get off of it's back. 

As for the "knee things" that could be very effective for kneeing someone in the stomache and watching them die from stomache acid pouring out over their intestines.  As for the shoulder spikes...ya know, making a simple tackle lethal isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Sorry, but I would suggest learning the values of dodging before saying that armor isn't protective enough in a setting where a random mage could treat you like a can of sardines anyway.

[MilesTheGreat]

ya it looks stupid so do the swords

[PrinceOfFallout13]

i wonder if people complained about the final fantasy 7 character armor and outfits >_>

[Cookieie]

Personally I really like the armor design...

[Heretical]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

i wonder if people complained about the final fantasy 7 character armor and outfits >_>

I don't see how this would have any relevance to the thread. Flashy armor and near-perfect features have been considered a normality of JRPGs for quite a while, so hopefully if you're playing FF7, you know whats coming.

[Rhayth]

Once again another thread about I want realism, but we like cool stuff. Personally i'm down with the imaginary...if i'm in a world of fantasy I want my armor to look as awesome as the landscape. If they follow the logical progression then in 2 games we'll be in the industrial age shooting pistols, starting a revolution against your own brother...oops too late...They tried a design set in DAO, now they're re-trying something new.



On another note how many people complained in Origins by how bulky, and ugly the armor was...now they are making it sexy and...IT DOESN'T LOOK REAL!!! I'm sure there will be some armor in the game that you realist will enjoy, and will look at it, and say "That's what i'm talkin' about!"

[Korva]

KyleOrdrum wrote...

That being said, you put on a full set of platemail and I'll wear a tee-shirt and jeans and we'll see who  doesn't get gutted.

Eh. My money would always be on the person in plate, unless they can't tell the grip of a weapon from its business end while their opponent can. Sorry, but the notion of  "I'll gut a guy in plate" is silly. You'd have to get the armor off
first while they don't have that problem because your squishy bits are right at their disposal.

Armor was never truly that effective in europe, and in most instances knights needed to be lifted onto their horses and if they fell off they died. It was kind of like watching a turtle try to get off of it's back.

Source?

Of course armor is effective, else why would anyone have gone through the massive effort of developing, creating, buying and maintaining it? Different armor types were developed in response to advances in weapon technology and vice versa. And of course it stands to reason that armor does hamper mobility to a greater or lesser degree, but I find it highly improbably that it makes anyone helpless because that would utterly defeat the purpose of making you harder to kill. The "winching knights on their horses" thing in particular always sounded like a silly myth from much later times to me, and even a cursory websearch seems to confirm that.

Sorry, but I would suggest learning the values of dodging before saying that armor isn't protective enough in a setting where a random mage could treat you like a can of sardines anyway.

Since spells are often portrayed as fire-and-forget automatic target-seekers, dodging wouldn't help a whit. And if I was about to take a ball of fire or ice in the face, or a disembodied force punch, I'd still much rather wear armor
than not because logically it should offer at least a small measure of protection over cloth or bare skin.

And most enemies don't use magic. I can't imagine any mundane weapon against which NOT wearing armor would be preferable to wearing any. Yes, a proper (or lucky) hit from the "right" weapon type in the "right" place may one-shot an armored person, but ANY hit from any weapon would likely one-shot the unarmored person.

Games generally glorify offense and underplay defense to make combat more interesting and less deadly/frustrating for the player, but that doesn't mean the importance of defense/armor should be overlooked.

On topic: I'm very much in favor of practical over "sexy" or "cool" because the latter two are VERY much in the eye of
the beholder, and also ridiculously overused, while the former is not. That said, Hawke's armor isn't half as bad as some other junk you see in fantasy games.

In terms of style, my favourite from Origins were actually medium armor. Chain mail in particular looked very good on both genders, heavy chain great on men too but less so on women.

Modifié par Korva, 01 janvier 2011 - 02:01 .

[DPB]

I'm surprised this is still going, seeing as we now know that's a mage robe, not armour. You can see the warrior and rogue equivalents at the start of the combat video, which look to provide much more protection.

[Anathemic]

KyleOrdrum wrote...
I got into kendo a few years back and know a few tricks about swordfighting.  That being said, you put on a full set of platemail and I'll wear a tee-shirt and jeans and we'll see who doesn't get gutted.  Armor was never truly that effective in europe, and in most instances knights needed to be lifted onto their horses and if they fell off they died.  It was kind of like watching a turtle try to get off of it's back. 

As for the "knee things" that could be very effective for kneeing someone in the stomache and watching them die from stomache acid pouring out over their intestines.  As for the shoulder spikes...ya know, making a simple tackle lethal isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Sorry, but I would suggest learning the values of dodging before saying that armor isn't protective enough in a setting where a random mage could treat you like a can of sardines anyway.

Hmmm.. 'kay, but not everything has to be "OMIGOD FUR N SPIKEZ!" as shown in here:



compared to another game's armor style shown here:



Personal opinion? The latter looks better and I think that most people will generally agree that the latter also had more realistic armor (not to mention comfortable).

[upsettingshorts]

Dragon Age 2 isn't going for a realistic art style?

I prefer the style in TW2 as well, but it's a pretty subjective thing.

[Anathemic]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dragon Age 2 isn't going for a realistic art style?
I prefer the style in TW2 as well, but it's a pretty subjective thing.

Subjective indeed, but games (any form of media) has to have some level of realism. If not then everything we see on screen will look like this:

[Darthnemesis2]

You guys do realize that the armor that Hawke is wearing in the CG trailer is the mage armor... right? The Warrior and Rogue armors are seen in the recently released combat video and are significantly more 'practical'.

[upsettingshorts]

Anathemic wrote...

Subjective indeed, but games (any form of media) has to have some level of realism. If not then everything we see on screen will look like this:

I don't buy that the art style in DA2 is the thin end of the wedge of Power Ranger cartoonishness. 

[Anathemic]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

You guys do realize that the armor that Hawke is wearing in the CG trailer is the mage armor... right? The Warrior and Rogue armors are seen in the recently released combat video and are significantly more 'practical'.

You mean like this?



Edit: Replaced img with more current one

Modifié par Anathemic, 01 janvier 2011 - 02:45 .

[Dummkopf]

Anathemic wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

You guys do realize that the armor that Hawke is wearing in the CG trailer is the mage armor... right? The Warrior and Rogue armors are seen in the recently released combat video and are significantly more 'practical'.

You mean like this?

That is a very old screenshot.