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[Darthnemesis2]

Anathemic wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

You guys do realize that the armor that Hawke is wearing in the CG trailer is the mage armor... right? The Warrior and Rogue armors are seen in the recently released combat video and are significantly more 'practical'.

You mean like this?

old screenshot is old

[Anathemic]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dragon Age 2 isn't going for a realistic art style?
I prefer the style in TW2 as well, but it's a pretty subjective thing.

I dunno imo it's getting close to there, but again all subjective..

Note: And I'm also goign to update that screen with a new one btw

[Darthnemesis2]

pause at 33 seconds on this video and you will see a fully armored warrior Hawke.

[Darthnemesis2]

Case Closed

[Anathemic]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...



Case Closed

How is it case closed, when the first 3 have the spiky-look to it and the fourth looks like some retarded nobleman?

[Darthnemesis2]

Ok, first I'm not talking about the one on the far left, as that's clearly the mage who I've already said has the less armored look. The two in the middle are the warriors (male and female), who are fully armored, which is the point I was making. I never said anything about spikey. The guy on the right is a rogue, who is, again, fully armored (this time in leathers).

[Maria Caliban]

Anathemic wrote...

Subjective indeed, but games (any form of media) has to have some level of realism. If not then everything we see on screen will look like this:

Power Rangers has a 'level of realism.' It may or may not be a level you like. Dragon Age 2 has a 'level of realism.' It may or may not be a level you like.


I have no idea how one would measure the level of realism in a Bach piano sonata or Double Oval. It has shapes that exist and notes we can hear? Saying that realism is something every form of media has to have is a bit like saying blue is something every form of media has to have.

[Anathemic]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Ok, first I'm not talking about the one on the far left, as that's clearly the mage who I've already said has the less armored look. The two in the middle are the warriors (male and female), who are fully armored, which is the point I was making. I never said anything about spikey. The guy on the right is a rogue, who is, again, fully armored (this time in leathers).

Okay and the OPs point  was that the armor style was rather ridiculouse and flashy as stated in the below quote.

Caralampio wrote...
Hawke's armor is rather ridiculous.
It's just flashy, for those young minds that like to see pointy,
spiked armor on warrior males, and near nudity on warrior females.

So I fail to see how you can automatically declare case closed when you just support his idea with the spiked armor with your video screenshot.

[Anathemic]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Power Rangers has a 'level of realism.' It may or may not be a level you like. Dragon Age 2 has a 'level of realism.' It may or may not be a level you like.


I have no idea how one would measure the level of realism in a Bach piano sonata or Double Oval. It has shapes that exist and notes we can hear? Saying that realism is something every form of media has to have is a bit like saying blue is something every form of media has to have.

You over-analyzed my quote, but I will defend it nonetheless.

Every form of media has to have some sort/level of realism, why? Because it wouldn't exist. Where else would one take inspiration from to create? Imagination? Sure but that imagination is heavily affected by the real-world environment one is currently in both physical and aspect.

[upsettingshorts]

Anathemic wrote...

Every form of media has to have some sort/level of realism, why? Because it wouldn't exist.

First thing I thought of:

[Darthnemesis2]

Anathemic wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Ok, first I'm not talking about the one on the far left, as that's clearly the mage who I've already said has the less armored look. The two in the middle are the warriors (male and female), who are fully armored, which is the point I was making. I never said anything about spikey. The guy on the right is a rogue, who is, again, fully armored (this time in leathers).

Okay and the OPs point  was that the armor style was rather ridiculouse and flashy as stated in the below quote.

Caralampio wrote...
Hawke's armor is rather ridiculous.
It's just flashy, for those young minds that like to see pointy,
spiked armor on warrior males, and near nudity on warrior females.

So I fail to see how you can automatically declare case closed when you just support his idea with the spiked armor with your video screenshot.

Yeah... except you don't just get to pick a choose certain parts of the quote that fit your arguement what he said was:

"Hawke's armor is rather ridiculous. It's just flashy, for those young minds that like to see pointy, spiked armor on warrior males, and near nudity on warrior females. Like they could stop swords and daggers with their bare skin... First of all, it barely protects anything vital. He uses a two-handed sword, meaning both of his arms are at risk, but one is bare. 0 armor. Only part of one arm, parts of the legs and the base of the neck are protected. On the few areas protected, the armor seems very uncomfortable... about two or three inches thick. Heavy and bulky.
And those spikes... (shiver) They seem dangerous indeed, but not to his enemies: To himself! He really would need to tiptoe around, and warn people not to slap his shoulders in a tavern. Those knee things specially, he might gut himself in a second!
Overall, I'd say it gives 4 armor at best, in DAO terms."

My reply was specifically aimed at the bolded section, which suggests that the OP was looking at the mages robe (which is flashy and had more exposed areas) and thinking it was a warriors.

As for the rest (spikey, flashy) its no worse than this:



And seems in line with the Gardbrace shown here:

[Maria Caliban]

Anathemic wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Power Rangers has a 'level of realism.' It may or may not be a level you like. Dragon Age 2 has a 'level of realism.' It may or may not be a level you like.


I have no idea how one would measure the level of realism in a Bach piano sonata or Double Oval. It has shapes that exist and notes we can hear? Saying that realism is something every form of media has to have is a bit like saying blue is something every form of media has to have.

You over-analyzed my quote, but I will defend it nonetheless.

Every form of media has to have some sort/level of realism, why? Because it wouldn't exist.

In that case, as long as something exists, it's realistic. Dragon Age II exists, so it's realistic.

Congratulations, you've made 'realism' an utterly meaningless word outside of philosophy discussions.

[Anathemic]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Power Rangers has a 'level of realism.' It may or may not be a level you like. Dragon Age 2 has a 'level of realism.' It may or may not be a level you like.


I have no idea how one would measure the level of realism in a Bach piano sonata or Double Oval. It has shapes that exist and notes we can hear? Saying that realism is something every form of media has to have is a bit like saying blue is something every form of media has to have.

You over-analyzed my quote, but I will defend it nonetheless.

Every form of media has to have some sort/level of realism, why? Because it wouldn't exist.

In that case, as long as something exists, it's realistic. Dragon Age II exists, so it's realistic.

Congratulations, you've made 'realism' an utterly meaningless word outside of philosophy discussions.

And again you misinterpreted my quote. I stated that every form of media has to have some sort/level of realism. I did not say that every from of of media is realistic. What determines realisticness is up to the current general consensus and so far DA2 in terms of armor is not realistic.

[Anathemic]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Ok, first I'm not talking about the one on the far left, as that's clearly the mage who I've already said has the less armored look. The two in the middle are the warriors (male and female), who are fully armored, which is the point I was making. I never said anything about spikey. The guy on the right is a rogue, who is, again, fully armored (this time in leathers).

Okay and the OPs point  was that the armor style was rather ridiculouse and flashy as stated in the below quote.

Caralampio wrote...
Hawke's armor is rather ridiculous.
It's just flashy, for those young minds that like to see pointy,
spiked armor on warrior males, and near nudity on warrior females.

So I fail to see how you can automatically declare case closed when you just support his idea with the spiked armor with your video screenshot.

Yeah... except you don't just get to pick a choose certain parts of the quote that fit your arguement what he said was:

"Hawke's armor is rather ridiculous. It's just flashy, for those young minds that like to see pointy, spiked armor on warrior males, and near nudity on warrior females. Like they could stop swords and daggers with their bare skin... First of all, it barely protects anything vital. He uses a two-handed sword, meaning both of his arms are at risk, but one is bare. 0 armor. Only part of one arm, parts of the legs and the base of the neck are protected. On the few areas protected, the armor seems very uncomfortable... about two or three inches thick. Heavy and bulky.
And those spikes... (shiver) They seem dangerous indeed, but not to his enemies: To himself! He really would need to tiptoe around, and warn people not to slap his shoulders in a tavern. Those knee things specially, he might gut himself in a second!
Overall, I'd say it gives 4 armor at best, in DAO terms."

My reply was specifically aimed at the bolded section, which suggests that the OP was looking at the mages robe (which is flashy and had more exposed areas) and thinking it was a warriors.

In turn, you can't pick and choose which part of the quote fits your argument as I've kindly underlined some parts you've left out.

[Darthnemesis2]

Anathemic wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Yeah... except you don't just get to pick a choose certain parts of the quote that fit your arguement what he said was:

"Hawke's armor is rather ridiculous. It's just flashy, for those young minds that like to see pointy, spiked armor on warrior males, and near nudity on warrior females. Like they could stop swords and daggers with their bare skin... First of all, it barely protects anything vital. He uses a two-handed sword, meaning both of his arms are at risk, but one is bare. 0 armor. Only part of one arm, parts of the legs and the base of the neck are protected. On the few areas protected, the armor seems very uncomfortable... about two or three inches thick. Heavy and bulky.
And those spikes... (shiver) They seem dangerous indeed, but not to his enemies: To himself! He really would need to tiptoe around, and warn people not to slap his shoulders in a tavern. Those knee things specially, he might gut himself in a second!
Overall, I'd say it gives 4 armor at best, in DAO terms."

My reply was specifically aimed at the bolded section, which suggests that the OP was looking at the mages robe (which is flashy and had more exposed areas) and thinking it was a warriors.

In turn, you can't pick and choose which part of the quote fits your argument as I've kindly underlined some parts you've left out.

Except that I addressed them in the part of my post that you cut... strange how that happens...

[Anathemic]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...
Except that I addressed them in the part of my post that you cut... strange how that happens...

You mean the part about the gardbrace, if so I fail to see how this

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

equals this

Darthnemesis2 wrote...



Case Closed

Shoulders a bit too large, the tuille is too exposed (what is thata flap of metal?), elbow is not protected by any plate (the gauntlet doesn't cover all the way), and the part of the breatplate next to the bevor is jsut waiting for a projectile to hit the unprotected area there... all accorance to your image of course.

[errant_knight]

I just think it looks bad--and spiky bits near your neck are never a good idea. DA:O had clear parallels to medieval europe, a sense of being both different and familiar. This is no longer the case with DA2, a choice which I find regretable, myself. I don't know what this is supposed to be influenced by, but I don't think it's ever existed except maybe in a cartoon.

[Darthnemesis2]

Anathemic wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...
Except that I addressed them in the part of my post that you cut... strange how that happens...

You mean the part about the gardbrace, if so I fail to see how this

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

equals this

Darthnemesis2 wrote...



Case Closed

Shoulders a bit too large, the tuille is too exposed (what is thata flap of metal?), elbow is not protected by any plate (the gauntlet doesn't cover all the way), and the part of the breatplate next to the bevor is jsut waiting for a projectile to hit the unprotected area there... all accorance to your image of course.

The shoulders are more along the lines of this:



Except with more bands.

And the elbow, as you so graciously pointed out, is actually less spikey than it would be. And Hawke isn't wearing a helmet so of course his head/throat is more exposed.

[Anathemic]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...
And the elbow, as you so graciously pointed out, is actually less spikey than it would be. And Hawke isn't wearing a helmet so of course his head/throat is more exposed.

On the contrary, not having a helmet or head protection does not make an excuse to leave the chest/throat area exposed as to the degree shown in DA2



See how the breastplate curves back into the throat area? Hawke's armor in DA2 does the complete opposite and juts out forward leaving said area vulnerable to any projectile aimed or accidently fired there.

[Dellingr]

In Exile wrote...

Was it confirmed that this is not a special "exageration only" armour for Hawke? If you look at other screenshots, where Hawke is wearing a different set of armour, it is far more realistic and reasonable leather versus fur beefcake Hawke.

Saerwen wrote...

DAOME2FTW wrote...

I not
sure about this, but it may be related to varric or cassandras
storytelling, varric could be exaggerating on his awesomeness.

That
was a good point!  He could just be embellishing too much, and when the
flashback ends there is our boy Hawke sitting by the fire in his tin
suit, looking like "insert fav armor wearing character here".../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png

Exactly, the armour in question is firstly the mage clothing and secondly at least part of how it looks probably comes from Varric using heavy dramatic licence in describing how cool Hawke looked, practicality<rule of cool when it comes to Varric's story, I think

additionally, we've only seen Hawke wearing this sort of thing in the class and gender selection screen, in old demonstration screenshots, and in parts of the game we know to be embellished

[Tietj]

I really don't get the problem here. So what if Hawke's armor is unrealistic? Isn't it replaceable like the armor/clothing in the first game? I played through the entire game as a female rogue in Anora's dress; it wasn't exactly practical or realistic but it was fun and looked good in the cutscenes. If you don't like the original armor, just buy some you deem acceptable and wear that. Right?

[The Train]

Tietj wrote...

I really don't get the problem here. So what if Hawke's armor is unrealistic? Isn't it replaceable like the armor/clothing in the first game? I played through the entire game as a female rogue in Anora's dress; it wasn't exactly practical or realistic but it was fun and looked good in the cutscenes. If you don't like the original armor, just buy some you deem acceptable and wear that. Right?

i'm not sure this is true.  i've heard some rumors that the armor is locked.  can someone confirm that we'll be able to switch armor sets out like we could in DA:O?

[Black_Warden]

armor for Hawke is fully switchable

also,

The Train casts Animate Dead on rotting thread!

[Insom]

Hopefully Dragonbone Plate is in this. I love me some massive armor.

[evol5]

Veex wrote...

Gaider said they'd get to fixing the armor designs as soon as they're done removing Elves, Dwarves, magic, dragons and all other elements of fantasy from the game. Should see some results soon!

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