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I get thingy when I see it in all the aliens, I guess that's my gripe. The lack of diversity in the alien bodies. I should have been more clear, apologies, everyone.

 

As much as I love the Mass Effect games, there are a few real big things that irritate me:

Firstly, why do all the aliens have arms and legs? Why do they look like humans with animal features? For all the interesting biological features (such as Drell with their vocal chords and Asari with their mind abilities) it still comes down to appearance in a large degree to me. All their faces are symmetrical, they all wear clothing like ours, they all dance like us, they all have mouths... so on, so fourth. They aren't real aliens to me. It felt like the writers didn't spread their minds far enough. Why couldn't one of the alien species be some kind of gas particles we could only see with special implants? They did certainly not think outside the box, not at all. Don't even get me started on the Asari. I love their species, I really do. The only difference is, though, their long lives, blue skin and hair... thing. I mean, even their friggin city looks like a human city, albeit a bit more shiny.  

Ok, Liara's apartment in LotSB. She has wine glasses, bread boards... KNIVES. Didn't Asari have their own cutlery? Did they even have cutlery?? WHATT?!?!? 

Was it their project lead that said all aliens need to be more human like? I understand the whole love interest needing to look humanish to appeal to the mass crowds and so on, okay, I get that, one or two races maybe need to look appealing, cool. But every one? That throws me off my immersion completely. I never EVER stop thinking about it when playing ME2, I never stop being irritated about what could have been.

The argument would be, of course, well why can't they be like us? Uh, well Jimmy, the chance of having another completely different species on an entirely different planet evolve in the exact same way as us is... 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (etc.) to one chance. It's pretty slim. For a whole lot of species? Um, yeah. No.


Now, not only do I dislike that, but you know what really gets me? A number of times in ME2, I come across aliens saying how AMAZING humans are. They really make human out to be the best. Samara is one. Yep, I said it. Humans, even in space, amidst a crapload of other species, are supposed to be new and innovative and passionate and diverse...

I think one line from Samara is: ""Yours is a very interesting species. For example, if there are three humans in a room, there will be six opinions." o_o Now, I am all for the cool "alien" thing with humans being their opinion, sure, but... couldn't you have picked something else? Our sex drive? Our hair? Our dancing?? I felt like, we have this whole big universe full of interesting aliens, and apparently humans are really awesome and superior... it feels almost like old school white supremacy flicks, in a really surreal kind of way. I dislike that humans are supposedly so interesting. Why can't every species be equally cool in their own way? Nooo, not according to everyone in the ME universe. Humans are the most controversial, the most attention-grabbing, the most... the most everything. Every other race is limited to: Turians are militaristic. Asari are wise old soul... things, Krogans are battlehungry, Salarians are nerdy. 

In terms of the most interesting species, i'd give that one to the Salarians. Save the obvious human shape they have, I like the idea that they get over things more quickly, that their brains work faster than others due to their short life span. I think that's one really cool idea ME has going there.

To wrap this one up, i'd just like to say, I wish I could have gone through the games, believing them. I really didn't.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 14 octobre 2010 - 02:51 .


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A gas particle alien?



Just sit down.

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erm, which sci-fi setting do you know of that doesn't follow those rules ?

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I see it more as playing to the sci-fi movie/series/game tropes. If you look at most sci-fi series, books, games or movies, you end up with lots of human like aliens. Startrek, Star Wars, Stargate, even a lot of the old sci-fi books like EE Smith, Robert Heinlein and Andre Norton tend to have human-like characters.



If you want more realistic aliens in science fiction you have to kind of move over into some of the more hard sci-fi like David Brin, Asimov and the like.

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I originally had a long post here, but re-reading some of the stuff you said was just........ You sound like some kind of OCD to me.



Good luck with finding a universe you can connect with, it'll be a long quest.

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OP hasn't even covered the field of why the aliens are so human-like. Why does a gripe about anthropomorphism stop at just a physical comparison? What about thought or emotional processes? Why isn't there giant gaps of logic when conversing with an alien because it would make sense to that alien in question, but not to humans because we're mentally wired differently? To give you an idea of how big the differences can be, you should read up on the works of anthropological science fiction writers like C. J. Cherryh. But the point is add all of that in and the result is a game so cerebral that the average gamer will have difficulties even understanding big chunks of the game.

And that would be far more immersion-breaking than taking the familar and tweaking it abit for variety and interest.

Modifié par Elyvern, 14 octobre 2010 - 02:02 .


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Do not forget the Rachni and the Reapers, TWO very sentient alien species that are very non-humanoid and unique, both of which are seen as serious villains in the universe, warranted or not.

Just because there are no Citadel races that appease your thirst for the unusual does not mean they are not present, only that they are not in positions of respect/power near the humanoids. People (by which I mean both the people playing the game and presumably the "people" in the ME universe) are comfortable with "normal" and not as quick to accept things that fall far outside that definition.

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Covering the last couple of things you pointed out about other aliens finding humans so interesting, I don't interpret it as us being superior or better.

We are the new kids on the block, so yea, everyone is pretty curious about and interested in the humans. Humans I am sure are the same way about them.

I mean, there are several cases where you talk to NPCs and they are just as interested in all the other aliens and their uniqueness. I remember the human security guy you talk to in ME1 who is gushing about how lucky he is to work in C-sec on the Citadel and how amazing it is he gets to meet and interact all these different and amazing new aliens.

As for aliens being like us, well, if you want to get specific, the chances of their being any other intelligent life at all in any other shape or form, according to most scientist, is rather slim. Most of them do not believe there are any aliens at all out there aside from bacteria and single cell organisms, and that if there were to be intelligent life out there, it needs to develop on an earth like world and be like us. Look at the parameters they use when searching for life. They look for earth like planets, they look for planets with the same kind of atmosphere and make up, they don't even bother with the possibility it could be different.

In the end, it all boils down to the fact that this is a game in a fiction setting. It isn't supposed to be 100% realistic, it is there for us to suspend our beliefs and enjoy something not real, a break from our lives. If you cannot enjoy the universe for those reasons, then that is fine,  I don't think anyone here is going to force you to. But most of us are ok with it not being "real" enough.

Modifié par AmyBA, 14 octobre 2010 - 02:04 .


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Lucy_Glitter wrote...

To wrap this one up, i'd just like to say, I wish I could have gone through the games, believing them. I really didn't.

I suppose you found it easy to immerse yourself in Dragon Age, no?

I suppose that was quite original, with the impending onslaught of hordes of uncannily orc-like creatures preparing to attack the divided world of elves, men and dwarves that must be united by team of comrades against the extremely powerful and evil spirit that drives and unifies the darkspawn hordes, the destruction of which requires a great sacrifice. I mean, when has that ever been done? :P

Immersion isn't about a believable or particularly original setting - it's a video game, it's not going to be realistic [we'd be lucky to find one other sentient species in the galaxy, let alone a bipedal one].

One might argue that it is the characters with whom you interact and the role you play within the world into which you are thrown are the factors that influence immersion. You know, being an RPG and all. *shrug*

Modifié par Anglerfish, 14 octobre 2010 - 02:03 .


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I don't think the aliens are to similar to humans. With Hanar, Rachni and Elcor we have three very different species, and out of the rest only the Asari, to a lesser degree the Drell and propably the Quarians resembles humans closely. The others are bipedal, but that's only logical. The concept of convergent evolution sounds pretty good to me.

I also don't think that humans are presentent as superior. They just get some characteristics that fit (being well adapting, rather pushy, they are very diverse). that are things that every human can recognize. In many other SciFi works, humans are just the normal guys beside the interesting aliens. I like the portrayal of humans in ME very much.

And did you really complain about alien cutlery being to close to human's? Should Bioware have invented something different but impractical just to make aliens stranger?

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Suspension of disbelief FAIL

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Sorry, that's way too anthropomorphic for me.

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oh boy
 
it's another armchair Darwin/Einstein/Hawkin armchair expert with a P.H,D in theoretical physics that lacks the ability to suspend their disbelief in a sci fi universe

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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I originally had a long post here, but re-reading some of the stuff you said was just........ You sound like some kind of OCD to me.


o_o

How so? I can't tell if that's trying to be insulting or not. Also, OCD is... really not in anything I posted. At all. Just no.

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Ah, yes, the Hanar. I forgot to mention those. Another interesting species, thanks for reminding me.

Also, i didn't go into the emotional side of aliens because, tbh, I couldn't be bothered. I made my point enough with the appearances.

Salarians and Turian have arms and legs and hands and penises/vaginas and mouths and eyes and everything a human has. Fail.

Mecha Tengu wrote...

oh boy
 
it's another armchair Darwin/Einstein/Hawkin armchair expert with a P.H,D in theoretical physics that lacks the ability to suspend their disbelief in a sci fi universe


I also have a very stylish moustache to boot!

Also, it's not the ability to suspend disbelief. If I couldn't do that I wouldn't be so irritated at the inclusion of voiced protagonists in BioWare games. It's a person criticising the art/writing direction in a science fiction work.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 14 octobre 2010 - 02:21 .


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You ignore a simple fact Lucy.



Arms and legs are useful.



Besides, so do Elves and Dwarves. Why can they get away with it?

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Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 To wrap this one up, i'd just like to say, I wish I could have gone through the games, believing them. I really didn't.


yo bro

it's almost as if after playing Dragon Age, I can throw fireballs, kill a dragon, and wear his innards as weapons

but I cant

dragon age is too unrealistic. Game sux

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AntiChri5 wrote...

You ignore a simple fact Lucy.

Arms and legs are useful.

Besides, so do Elves and Dwarves. Why can they get away with it?


Mecha Tengu wrote...

yo bro

it's almost as if after playing Dragon Age, I can throw fireballs, kill a dragon, and wear his innards as weapons

but I cant

dragon age is too unrealistic. Game sux

Arms and legs are useful doesn't cut it. 

Also, we aren't discussing DA here, bro. In any case, I can suspend disbelief in DAO, I can go, "Oh, I see why X is like this" but I just can't in ME. Sci Fi and Fantasy... yeaaaaaaah, two different beasts.

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Lucy_Glitter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

You ignore a simple fact Lucy.

Arms and legs are useful.

Besides, so do Elves and Dwarves. Why can they get away with it?


Arms and legs are useful doesn't cut it. 

Also, we aren't discussing DA here.

I don't see how it doesn't cut it. Life will evolve along the easiest path, so useful traits will be successful.

Seriously why is fantasy exempt?

Also, Bears can be bipedal when they feel like it. Are bears unrealistic?

Modifié par AntiChri5, 14 octobre 2010 - 02:26 .


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point is:



susbend your fcking disbelief.



did anyone complain about the scientific improbablility when the death star destroyed a planet? No

peopel stfued and enjoyed the franchise



why so nit picky that aliens have evolved limbs similar to humans? Limbs are a useful evolutionary trait for spacefaring species.

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So for fantasy its ok, but for Sci-fi it isnt??



Sci-fi is pretty much just a sub genre of fantasy, it falls under fantasy in classification. It is just FUTURISTIC fantasy, hence being called sci-fi.



So you don't like the universe because it isn't realistic enough. Ok, great. We've established that and addressed it. Now what do you expect from telling people and keeping it going?

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AntiChri5 wrote...
I don't see how it doesn't cut it. Life will evolve along the easiest path, so useful traits will be successful.

Seriously why is fantasy exempt?

Also, Bears can be bipedal when they feel like it. Are bears unrealistic?


Bears came from Earth. Aliens didn't.

Fantasy is a different genre. Again, I am talking about Sci Fi.

Mecha Tengu wrote...
why so nit picky that aliens have evolved limbs similar to humans? Limbs are a useful evolutionary trait for spacefaring species.


They sure are useful, my argument is, the probability of an alien having the same physical features AS a human. Is so very improbable. In a film, I can suspend disbelief. Most of the time the aliens in question aren't given enough background to make me think further. In ME, we have all this lore, all these facts about them. It makes me go, "Alright, if they are so different to us, why do they look like us?"



Also, can you tone down the language and rudeness, please? 

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Lucy_Glitter wrote...


Also, can you tone down the language and rudeness, please? 


no, it's too unrealistic and improbable. Chances are 1 in 100000000000000000

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 14 octobre 2010 - 02:37 .


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If you think about evolution and how intelligent beings like us have evolved, it only makes sense that an alien would resemble humanity. Think about it, what do we need to be successful at surviving? We need eyes to see, legs to move, arms to do work with. If an alien being had more than 2 legs and arms, too much brain power is dedicated into coordinating that, thus it is a less intelligent being. Same thing goes for eyes, we have two eyes, if an alien had more, again, too much brain power used. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe every citadel alien has 2 eyes with the exception of the Hanar. I would say that the ME universe is rather accurate in terms of how an alien being might evolve, some physical and cosmetic differences, but bipedal with 2 eyes. Just my opinion though.