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[hangmans tree]

I want to appeal to the higher Gaider Court:
case is I would like (a chance) to have a Qunari female mage in my party. Preferably a rescued one, from a handler.
To free so miserable a creature and taking the task and the responsibility to socialise it (for the lack of better word) could be a test of PCs humanity (maybe) or cruelty and bestiality (most probable knowing the forumites ;P). It should be no easy task mind you! Personality shaping based on your actions as example throughout the game...

I think that would be a nice plot to think about...or not? What do you think?

Thank you for your time.

[Herr Uhl]

the lack of tongue and minimal chances that the mage would understand any language other than Qunari would make communication strenuous.



Why a female mage and not a male btw?

[Rakumn]

I want a male warrior.

[upsettingshorts]

My relativistic morality and perspective makes it hard to judge any Qunari who are born to and continue to willfully submit to the Qun as "oppressed."

To do otherwise would be to assume my cultural superiority, and that would be prejudicial and racist.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 14 octobre 2010 - 03:58 .

[ErichHartmann]

I want to liquidate the Qunari.

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 14 octobre 2010 - 03:59 .

[KhorinShizucor]

I'm pretty sure we get a Qunari companion* so I'd be happy with any kind of Qunari. Although I doubt we're getting a female Qunari companion. In any case, the Qunari or non-Qunari will probably be reluctant to join us just as Sten was. He only joined because he felt he owed our character for getting him out of a death sentence.



*okay I can't be sure as I'm basing my statement off of concept art

[Corker]

Not. I'll pass on something that sounds an awful lot like "woman learns to love the man who beats her."

[mousestalker]

I don't see much room for conversation with a Qunari mage.



H: "So, where were you born?"

QM: ...



H: "Ah, I see. How old are you?"

QM: ...



H: Those Darkspawn, are they tainted or what?"

QM: ...



Just not seeing any real interaction there.

[hangmans tree]

Herr Uhl wrote...

the lack of tongue and minimal chances that the mage would understand any language other than Qunari would make communication strenuous.

Why a female mage and not a male btw?

That is a dramatic aspect...no tongue I mean. Did you see Nell movie?
Why female? We had male already. I didnt like this npc for some undisclosed reason. That's one.
Two; I'm a male and prefer complex female npcs, be them romancable or not. Its natural I take interest in them. I dont like female npcs who are there to look nice, sound seductive and look kick- or badass. You know, just for show.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

My relativistic morality and
perspective makes it hard to judge any Qunari who are born to and
continue to willfully submit to the Qun as "oppressed."

To do otherwise would be to assume my cultural superiority, and that would be prejudicial and racist.

I cant tell if you are joking or not
Are you always like this Shorts? Relativity? C'mon! You always judge by your standards and when you see a Qunari in shackles, like a dog - a reference you are bound to have, 'coz the enemy will sick'em mages on you...

[hangmans tree]

Corker wrote...

Not. I'll pass on something that sounds an awful lot like "woman learns to love the man who beats her."

err..that's only your impression, not my intention.

Modifié par hangmans tree, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:25 .

[upsettingshorts]

hangmans tree wrote...
I cant tell if you are joking or not

Not joking.  Nothing more to add to my argument, though.

[ChickenDownUnder]

mousestalker wrote...

I don't see much room for conversation with a Qunari mage.

H: "So, where were you born?"
QM: ...

H: "Ah, I see. How old are you?"
QM: ...

H: Those Darkspawn, are they tainted or what?"
QM: ...

Just not seeing any real interaction there.

She sounds like the perfect wife.

I demand a female Qunari mage in my game.

[Dave of Canada]

Not this again.

[hangmans tree]

oh for crying out loud...I do not ask for a qunari pet or a sex slave!
Really, sometimes I just regret I post here.

Modifié par hangmans tree, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:45 .

[Xewaka]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

My relativistic morality and perspective makes it hard to judge any Qunari who are born to and continue to willfully submit to the Qun as "oppressed."

To do otherwise would be to assume my cultural superiority, and that would be prejudicial and racist.

This. Learn to respect cultural differences people.

[Saibh]

Xewaka wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

My relativistic morality and perspective makes it hard to judge any Qunari who are born to and continue to willfully submit to the Qun as "oppressed."

To do otherwise would be to assume my cultural superiority, and that would be prejudicial and racist.

This. Learn to respect cultural differences people.

By "cultural differences", do you mean men, women, and children shackled and caged like dogs, treated as animals, things for their entire lives?

Modifié par Saibh, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:56 .

[Herr Uhl]

Xewaka wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

My relativistic morality and perspective makes it hard to judge any Qunari who are born to and continue to willfully submit to the Qun as "oppressed."

To do otherwise would be to assume my cultural superiority, and that would be prejudicial and racist.

This. Learn to respect cultural differences people.

So you say that putting them in cages and treating them as attack dogs is not oppressive?

[upsettingshorts]

Saibh wrote...

By "cultural differences", do you mean men, women, and children shackled and caged like dogs, treated as animals, things for their entire lives?

That's where that whole "assumed cultural superiority" bit becomes problematic, don't it?

Herr Uhl wrote...

So you say that putting them in cages and treating them as attack dogs is not oppressive?

Not to them.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 14 octobre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Saibh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Saibh wrote...
By "cultural differences", do you mean men, women, and children shackled and caged like dogs, treated as animals, things for their entire lives?

That's where that whole "assumed cultural superiority" bit becomes problematic, don't it?

Elaborate. I'd not "assumed cultural superiority" on my part, I'd think "assumed moral superiority" on yours. Some things are inalienably wrong.

Modifié par Saibh, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:00 .

[upsettingshorts]

What I think and feel is irrelevant. It is not my place to neither judge nor impose my beliefs.

If a Qunari approached me - or PC I was playing closely to "me" - and asked for help or the equivalent of asylum, I would happily oblige. That's different.

That being said, the idea of natural or inalienable rights is philosophy and as a concept is open to interpretation or even outright disagreement. 

Furthermore, I am assuming nothing like "moral superiority."  I'm asserting that, for lack of a better way of putting it, that I don't have jurisdiction over what they believe.  Nor ought I.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:02 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

hangmans tree wrote...

I want to appeal to the higher Gaider Court:
case is I would like (a chance) to have a Qunari female mage in my party. Preferably a rescued one, from a handler.
To free so miserable a creature and taking the task and the responsibility to socialise it (for the lack of better word) could be a test of PCs humanity (maybe) or cruelty and bestiality (most probable knowing the forumites ;P). It should be no easy task mind you! Personality shaping based on your actions as example throughout the game...

I think that would be a nice plot to think about...or not? What do you think?

Thank you for your time.

Yeah and we have her as our slave..and you know..do stuff.

[Saibh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

What I think and feel is irrelevant. It is not my place to neither judge nor impose my beliefs.

If a Qunari approached me - or PC I was playing closely to "me" - and asked for help or the equivalent of Asylum, I would happily oblige. That's different.

By that logic, it would be wrong for a cop to arrest crooks, because he is imposing his morality upon the criminal's. What difference does it make if society tells him he's right? They're just imposing their beliefs.

[Herr Uhl]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

So you say that putting them in cages and treating them as attack dogs is not oppressive?

Not to them.

So, in short: If someone puts a child of theirs in a basement their entire life and never teach them anything, just throw them enough nutrients to survive and beat them at regular intervals, they would not be oppressed?

Yeah, I'm all for cultural differences, but they are oppressed non the less.

[upsettingshorts]

Saibh wrote...
By that logic, it would be wrong for a cop to arrest crooks, because he is imposing his morality upon the criminal's. What difference does it make if society tells him he's right? They're just imposing their beliefs.

Incorrect.  There are different interpretations regarding the philosophy of law.  I lean towards both legal positivism and realism,  but I wouldn't consider myself either an expert or a zealot regarding my opinion.

Herr Uhl wrote...
So, in short: If someone puts a child of theirs in a basement their entire life and never teach them anything, just throw them enough nutrients to survive and beat them at regular intervals, they would not be oppressed?

I don't know.  It's certainly tragic.  Oppression isn't as easy to categorize or a term as casually applied as this thread might want to assume.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:12 .

[Meltemph]

You can't be tolerant(by definition) of a culture if you agree with it.

Also if one believes in the universalization principle proposed by Kant, then it would only make sense to condemn such a belief.

Modifié par Meltemph, 14 octobre 2010 - 05:06 .