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[ShrinkingFish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...
It gives me migraines too...

At the risk of making a bad pun:

It's all in your head.

No such thing as a bad pun. There are good puns and there are golden puns.

This one is golden.

[AlexXIV]

I like simplification. If a group of people are powerful enough to force their law on another group of people and considerer this action justified, how could it not also be justified if an even more powerful group changes the laws? If you justify whatever law by power alone, it can also be changed and justified by power.

[KJandrew]

I don't really think that a quanri mage would work as a companion
Hawke: So how are you?
Mage: -
Hawke: Did you grow up here?
Mage: -
Hawke: **** *storms off*

Modifié par KJandrew, 15 octobre 2010 - 10:16 .

[AlexXIV]

KJandrew wrote...

I don't really think that a quanri mage would work as a companion
Hawke: So how are you?
Mage: -
Hawke: Did you grow up here?
Mage: -
Hawke: **** *storms off*

Yeah that's why dog didn't work as a companion either, right? Also someone said that already a bit earlier in the thread.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 octobre 2010 - 10:19 .

[Felfenix]

KJandrew wrote...

I don't really think that a quanri mage would work as a companion
Hawke: So how are you?
Mage: -
Hawke: Did you grow up here?
Mage: -
Hawke: **** *storms off*

It would be too much like Sten?

[Herr Uhl]

AlexXIV wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

I don't really think that a quanri mage would work as a companion
Hawke: So how are you?
Mage: -
Hawke: Did you grow up here?
Mage: -
Hawke: **** *storms off*

Yeah that's why dog didn't work as a companion either, right? Also someone said that already a bit earlier in the thread.

But dog knows your language. That a Qunari mage would understand you has a very low chance, since I doubt they educate them on foreign lingo.

[Anarya]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

"... serve as a parallel..."

Parallel lines run along the exact same routes... just saying, poor word choice in defense of your argument not claiming a direct connection between the treatment of Qunari mages and molestation.

Perhaps you didn't write that comparison in an attempts to vilify me and my opinion but that is certainly how it can be read. But by making the comparison you imposed a great many evils onto a situation that was otherwise without them.

And yes, you never said "Qunari mages are sexually abused" but you did imply it by making that comparison.

And I do not believe your intent was to get anyone to say "molestation and neglect are morally correct" but rather to agree with you in order to avoid saying that. That is the definition of an extremist argument.

Politicians use the method all the time to obscure real issues regarding controversial subjects such as abortion, stem cell research, euthanasia and the many others.

People who use extremist arguments don't win, they just make intelligent discussion impossible.

Sure, fine, you saw right through me. I'm an evil-bringing unintelligent extremist. /leavethread

[Leonia]

Eh, I didn't think it was extremism for extremism's sake, honestly. But I still need to catch up on what I missed after the announcement of the Rally to Restore Sanity And/Or Fear.

[0x30A88]

Perhaps a mage that has been hiding her talent, thus having her tongue intact....maybe hawke can meet her while she escapes from some qunari that have just found out...



...just my idea though. The fact that magic is hard to hide makes this really not that feasable.

[Herr Uhl]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Oh there is definitely a distinction. No doubt about that. But my post does address "evils" and I have been attempting to raise the question of what that term actually means and to whom. Just because something is evil according to our culture does not make it so in theirs. So perhaps it is simply hubris that makes us assume we know what is best for Qunari mages.

Evil isn't defined in a clear way. Oppression is.

I say caging people (granted, they no longer get defined as people by Qunari) and cutting out their tongues falls under burdensome and cruel. Or excessive at the least.

Edit: Relativism can be taken to extremes too.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 15 octobre 2010 - 11:39 .

[Skellimancer]

Herr Uhl wrote...

the lack of tongue and minimal chances that the mage would understand any language other than Qunari would make communication strenuous.

Why a female mage and not a male btw?

No tongue? well, there goes the romance.

[ShrinkingFish]

Anarya wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

"... serve as a parallel..."

Parallel lines run along the exact same routes... just saying, poor word choice in defense of your argument not claiming a direct connection between the treatment of Qunari mages and molestation.

Perhaps you didn't write that comparison in an attempts to vilify me and my opinion but that is certainly how it can be read. But by making the comparison you imposed a great many evils onto a situation that was otherwise without them.

And yes, you never said "Qunari mages are sexually abused" but you did imply it by making that comparison.

And I do not believe your intent was to get anyone to say "molestation and neglect are morally correct" but rather to agree with you in order to avoid saying that. That is the definition of an extremist argument.

Politicians use the method all the time to obscure real issues regarding controversial subjects such as abortion, stem cell research, euthanasia and the many others.

People who use extremist arguments don't win, they just make intelligent discussion impossible.

Sure, fine, you saw right through me. I'm an evil-bringing unintelligent extremist. /leavethread

Why do you take everything I say as a personal attack? I was attacking your argument... not you.

[Russalka]

Not all qunari mages are without tongues.



They are only cut off if they use forbidden magic. And this discussion is pointless, as pretty much everything is probably already written and in game.

[ShrinkingFish]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

Oh there is definitely a distinction. No doubt about that. But my post does address "evils" and I have been attempting to raise the question of what that term actually means and to whom. Just because something is evil according to our culture does not make it so in theirs. So perhaps it is simply hubris that makes us assume we know what is best for Qunari mages.

Evil isn't defined in a clear way. Oppression is.

I say caging people (granted, they no longer get defined as people by Qunari) and cutting out their tongues falls under burdensome and cruel. Or excessive at the least.

Edit: Relativism can be taken to extremes too.

I would argue that oppression is as culturally relative as "evil"

But I'm done with this thread, so I'm not going to post it. Too busy feeling guilty about offending Anarya...

[Felfenix]

Russalka wrote...

Not all qunari mages are without tongues.

They are only cut off if they use forbidden magic. And this discussion is pointless, as pretty much everything is probably already written and in game.

Does the above poster post anything in any threads on this forum other than "This topic should be shut down?" 

[hangmans tree]

I dont know, I do not track the forumites, besides there are more then plenty of them



But you are right, even when some features are already set in stone for the product it doesnt stop us from having an interesting debate, e.g. on social differences mixed with philosophy and moral standards.



Either way I think the topic died, so...