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[Thandal N'Lyman]

Moonfish88 wrote...

As FrostyL, and others, have pointed out before, this seems to be an issue for a very few, specific countries.

I´m sorry but you´re mistaken. The situation is pretty much the other way around. There a list with very few, specific countries in wich the SE is available for pre-order.
The whole Latin America, Africa (except S.Africa) and Asia were left out. Its pretty much NA, Australia and Europe only (and quite a few europeans are complaining that their countries are not included as well).

And even in NA and Europe there is a very small number of stores that will be participating, so it´s pretty obvious this is the way EA decided to do things. We know how much money is involved with this store-exclusivity thing. They want a profitable deal with big name stores, regardless of wich countries they operate in. For this release at least.
I remember I had no problems picking up the DAO CE when it came out, it was available in every gamestore around here.

As a percentage of the total gaming population, (not of the land surface of the earth) you've just said what I said: Only a very few potential customers have a problem.  And the residents of those countries STILL have the option of pre-ordering through retail outlets in others, and paying the additional shipping/duty.  The complaint seems to be, "It isn't as conveninet/cheap for me as it is for others."  I was simply pointing out that that situation is more likely due to difficulties/requirements of doing business in those places and the minicule market they represent compared to the costs of overcoming those difficulties, than to BioWare/EA deliberately (or inadvertantly) slighting whole segments of the market based on geography.  

I'm not sure there are a lot of "local game outlets" in Yangon (formerly Rangoon).  And  internet commerce (à la Steam) is frequently tightly-controlled/highly-taxed/non-existent as well.   Again, I'm just not sure how it's BioWare/EA's job to "make it so"  in various parts of the world.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 25 novembre 2010 - 06:32 .

[Rutix]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Moonfish88 wrote...

As FrostyL, and others, have pointed out before, this seems to be an issue for a very few, specific countries.

I´m sorry but you´re mistaken. The situation is pretty much the other way around. There a list with very few, specific countries in wich the SE is available for pre-order.
The whole Latin America, Africa (except S.Africa) and Asia were left out. Its pretty much NA, Australia and Europe only (and quite a few europeans are complaining that their countries are not included as well).

And even in NA and Europe there is a very small number of stores that will be participating, so it´s pretty obvious this is the way EA decided to do things. We know how much money is involved with this store-exclusivity thing. They want a profitable deal with big name stores, regardless of wich countries they operate in. For this release at least.
I remember I had no problems picking up the DAO CE when it came out, it was available in every gamestore around here.

As a percentage of the total gaming population, (not of the land surface of the earth) you've just said what I said: Only a very few potential customers have a problem.  And the residents of those countries STILL have the option of pre-ordering through retail outlets in others, and paying the additional shipping/duty.  The complaint seems to be, "It isn't as conveninet/cheap for me as it is for others."  I was simply pointing out that that situation is more likely due to difficulties/requirements of doing business in those places, and the minicule market they represent compared to the costs of overcoming those difficulties. 

BioWare/EA is not trying to slight whole segments of the market based on geography, but I'm not sure there are a lot of "local game outlets" in Yangon (formerly Rangoon).  And  internet commerce (à la Steam) is frequently tightly-controlled/highly-taxed/non-existent as well. 

Again, I'm just not sure how it's BioWare/EA's job to "make it so"  in various parts of the world.

Not true. In Europe the countries have to follow the laws of EUROPE. So saying that just because i live in the netherlands you imply we have laws which make it difficult (well we are a country who is one of most easiest country to trade with or do business with). EA/Bioware is just pulling a stunt like they did with that 'event' . It also seems that you are basing your "Only a very few potential customers have a problem" from the posts here. But let me tell you only like 1% of the potential customers post here.
You also say i have the option of pre-ordering through retail outlets in other countries. That's not true either, like I said I don't have a credit card which make it impossible to pre-order it in other countries.

Sorry if this post sound rude but I'm just getting frustrated that WE get no comment on why some countries don't get it or if they get it or not. The communication following this announcement has been pretty poor.

Modifié par Rutix, 25 novembre 2010 - 06:27 .

[Thandal N'Lyman]

We've already discussed the difficulties the Dutch banking system puts on obtaining the standard means of payment for internet commerce (the credit card). So yes, it IS your country's laws and regulations that create the impediment. See the list of *OTHER* EU countries where one can already pre-order to obtain the SE.

[Thicos]

SIGNATURE EDITION in SOUTH AMERICA





NOW!



NO MORE EXCLUSIVE COUNTRIES ¬¬



Where's Bioware opinion?

[hazarkazra]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

We've already discussed the difficulties the Dutch banking system puts on obtaining the standard means of payment for internet commerce (the credit card). So yes, it IS your country's laws and regulations that create the impediment. See the list of *OTHER* EU countries where one can already pre-order to obtain the SE.

 What does the ownership of a credit card have to do with this? The point is not that it's impossible to import from countries, but that we want to use a local supplier. Importing is a hassle I rather avoid with increased risks and it also means not getting it on release date.

Obviously they can release normal versions in the Netherlands and they have been releasing limited editions in the past. Which means that laws and regulations haven't prevented them in the past and won't prevent them in the future. So the only logical reasons can be:

1. They haven't negotiated deals with Dutch suppliers yet.
2. They are having trouble negotiating deals with Dutch suppliers .
3. They chose NOT to negotiate deals with Dutch suppliers.

Modifié par hazarkazra, 25 novembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[flexxdk]

hazarkazra wrote...
1. They haven't negotiated deals with Dutch suppliers yet.

I can easily dismiss this one, as Gamemania has confirmed that they're negotiating with EA.

2. They are having trouble negotiating deals with Dutch suppliers.

I think that Gamemania is the only supplier in the Netherlands that has DA2 up for pre-ordering.

3. They chose NOT to negotiate deals with Dutch suppliers.

And I'm afraid that this point states the truth.

Gamemania has been negotiating for how long already? Too long, if you ask me.


Screw you EA. I'm done with you.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Thicos wrote...

SIGNATURE EDITION in SOUTH AMERICA


NOW!

NO MORE EXCLUSIVE COUNTRIES ¬¬

Where's Bioware opinion?

BioWare may have an opinion, but EA makes the decisions.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

[quote]Whacka wrote...

[quote]hazarkazra wrote...
...I think that Gamemania is the only supplier in the Netherlands that has DA2 up for pre-ordering...
[/quote]
Wait, this is news I hadn't heard.  So, one CAN  pre-order DA2, (and therefore get the SE) in the Netherlands through Gamemania? 

[LokiHades]

A Steam edition would sate my problem of living in an relatively obscure country~

[Kidd]

Whacka wrote...

Screw you EA. I'm done with you.

Might be Gamemania that's the issue, not EA, considering it seems to come out all nicely without hassle even in Sweden which my - perhaps too uneducated - head believes to have a smaller population than the Netherlands.
Not to mention you live in Europe, so there's always the possibility of importing from English stores, several of which sell the Signature Edition.

[hazarkazra]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Whacka wrote...

Screw you EA. I'm done with you.

Might be Gamemania that's the issue, not EA, considering it seems to come out all nicely without hassle even in Sweden which my - perhaps too uneducated - head believes to have a smaller population than the Netherlands.
Not to mention you live in Europe, so there's always the possibility of importing from English stores, several of which sell the Signature Edition.

This is true, but Gamemania is hardly the only one. With Mediamarkt and Bol.com I count atleast 2 other (international) companies capable of closing the deal with EA. And you know, if it's retailers, let us know. We might not be important for the big scale were EA does business, but we are important to the DUTCH retailers. The dutch gaming community is very much internet driven and I think would be happy to put some pressure on retailers to close the deal, IF we knew what was going on. Atleast give us something to work with.

[Thicos]

Thandal NLyman , then where is this opinion?



I want to read it. We are the customers and we need explications.

[flexxdk]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Whacka wrote...
...I think that Gamemania is the only supplier in the Netherlands that has DA2 up for pre-ordering...

Wait, this is news I hadn't heard.  So, one CAN  pre-order DA2, (and therefore get the SE) in the Netherlands through Gamemania? 

They told me they were still negotiating (and that my pre-order would be automatically upgraded to the SE IF the deal went through).

But they've been doing that for a really long time now, and I haven't heard anything of them anymore about this.

KiddDaBeauty wrote...
Not to mention you live in Europe, so there's always the possibility of importing from English stores, several of which sell the Signature Edition.

Those stores require either a credit card or an UK-based debit card.

I have neither.

Modifié par Whacka, 26 novembre 2010 - 02:58 .

[yslee]

Ok, my bad, didn't read the Bioware staff posts.



I'm going to miss the physical extras from the CE. *sigh*

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Thicos wrote...

Thandal NLyman , then where is this opinion?

I want to read it. We are the customers and we need explications.

BioWare post from over a month ago, truncated to snip out the long list of retailers already confirmed at that time.

Chris Priestly wrote...

We have confirmed more retailers in more countries that will be carrying teh Signature Edition (or if you have already pre-ordered, will upgrade to the Signature Edition). Not all of these sites have their pages up yet, but we have confirmed they will have the Signature Edition.

As always, as more countires and retailers confirm and bring their websites online, we will continue to bring you retailers carrying the Signatire Edition.

So they are obviously aware of the need for, and are in favour of expanding, international availability.
Since EA is the publisher, there's little BioWare can do directly to impact this.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 26 novembre 2010 - 03:48 .

[FrostyLazer]

They can do more then we can.



They should at least post an reaction on what the holdup is (if there is any). Not just for the EU country's that are now not included, but also for the rest of the world

[dusper9401]

Have they stated yet what exactly will effect DA2 from DA:O ? I want to know if I HAVE to have played Awakening to reap all the benefits for DA2, or if the cut off is just DA:O + Witch Hunt ?

[Thandal N'Lyman]

dusper9401 wrote...

Have they stated yet what exactly will effect DA2 from DA:O ? I want to know if I HAVE to have played Awakening to reap all the benefits for DA2, or if the cut off is just DA:O + Witch Hunt ?

BioWare haven't "stated" anything more than that your choices in DA:O/A will be "acknowledged".  All indications are that whatever they were, they will little-to-no impact on what happens in DA2.  Simply that they will be recognized correctly within the wider-world narrative to reflect YOUR Ferelden.  And since they won't have created a story that depends on the player even having DA:O, much less DA:A, even then the interactions will be minimal.

So, for example (just guessing here to illustrate my point); if you allowed Flemeth to "live" in exchange for the Grimoire, she might say something like, "That Warden didnt' know what he was doing when he let me leave..."

Whereas if you (thought you) slew her, she might say, "That Warden should have known he couldn't finish me so easily!"

And I'm not expecting WH, to have any impact at all.  That was all about the Warden and Morrigan, neither of whom is even in DA2!  (Now DA3?  That's a whole 'nother story...)
But as far as needing to do or not do anything "in preparation", I don't think it'll matter a bit!

[BradTheMad]

hazarkazra wrote...

This is true, but Gamemania is hardly the only one. With Mediamarkt and Bol.com I count atleast 2 other (international) companies capable of closing the deal with EA. And you know, if it's retailers, let us know. We might not be important for the big scale were EA does business, but we are important to the DUTCH retailers. The dutch gaming community is very much internet driven and I think would be happy to put some pressure on retailers to close the deal, IF we knew what was going on. Atleast give us something to work with.

This. It's all very vague now, we don't even know if these items are exclusive, one chance to get only or are just cheaper through pre-order. Is this a CE or not? Will there be a seperate CE which also includes this stuff or other things which will or will not be available later on as downloads.

With all this in mind I don't know if it's actually worth pre-ordering it from Germany or the UK. There are some sites out there that accept PayPal as a payment option which I've got but shipping will cost me a lot and right now it's just all too vague for me to spend my hard earned cash on this SE.

I would be a lot more willing to pre-order if it was available in the Netherlands. It's not like we don't have a massive gaming community here so if the problem is with the retailers it really shouldn't be a problem as those same retailers depend on us gamers like hazarkazra stated.

Bioware DO something about this; we're all in the dark here and some more info would be really nice.

[Rutix]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

We've already discussed the difficulties the Dutch banking system puts on obtaining the standard means of payment for internet commerce (the credit card). So yes, it IS your country's laws and regulations that create the impediment. See the list of *OTHER* EU countries where one can already pre-order to obtain the SE.

Non argument. Preorder is already available in the shops in the Netherlands. They just need to make the deal available here too which is just a matter of also sending codes to the shops which already sell the game. The dutch banking system has nothing to do with this. SO NO, it IS not because of my country's laws. 

BradTheMad wrote...

hazarkazra wrote...

.......

This.
It's all very vague now, we don't even know if these items are
exclusive, one chance to get only or are just cheaper through pre-order.
Is this a CE or not? Will there be a seperate CE which also includes
this stuff or other things which will or will not be available later on
as downloads.

With all this in mind I don't know if it's actually
worth pre-ordering it from Germany or the UK. There are some sites out
there that accept PayPal as a payment option which I've got but shipping
will cost me a lot and right now it's just all too vague for me to
spend my hard earned cash on this SE.

I would be a lot more
willing to pre-order if it was available in the Netherlands. It's not
like we don't have a massive gaming community here so if the problem is
with the retailers it really shouldn't be a problem as those same
retailers depend on us gamers like hazarkazra stated.

Bioware DO something about this; we're all in the dark here and some more info would be really nice.

Bioware has said that this is the CE.

Modifié par Rutix, 27 novembre 2010 - 12:49 .

[Shadelon]

They've said it over and over. It has been quoted over and over. But still no one gets the point.

This IS the CE, period. I'd go back and quote it again but I really don't want to continue THAT cycle. People are blind it seems.

Modifié par Shadelon, 27 novembre 2010 - 01:02 .

[Thicos]

No more news about new countries to sell DA2SE. Soon, it will be December.

[ralph2190]

Ok it looks like Best Buy raised up the prices for DA2 PC from 50 to 60 USD like Amazon and some others. Hope you guys put in the pre-order earlier. Fry's and Impulse are still offering for 50, in case any of you missed out on Best Buy.

[flexxdk]

To the Dutch here:

I have found these very very very interesting pages...:
www.bartsmit.com/pc-dvd-dragon-age-ii (DA2)
and
www.bartsmit.com/pc-dvd-dragon-age-2-collection-edition (perhaps SE?)

(Link to page with both DA2 games for all available platforms: www.bartsmit.com/shop/productSearchResult.php)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Bart Smit has the SE up for pre-ordering... Because why would you create two pages for the same game? But still, I'm not entirely sure of it. It seems too good to be true...

I haven't contacted Bart Smit about this. I don't feel comfortable with them knowing my phone number. So perhaps someone else could contact them?

It's worth noting though.

Modifié par Whacka, 28 novembre 2010 - 08:08 .

[Cerrydd]

Hmm, interesting, Whacka. Looks like it's more expensive though. The SE is supposed to be priced the same as the normal edition when you pre-order it before January 11th.