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[DigiFluid]

So, no DA2 SE on Steam at all then huh? Well that's just balls. No pre-order for me then, I do all my non-console game buying via Steam.

[Nomadec]

i want to get the signature edition badly but its not avaliable in south-east-asia wth!? ok nrm i found a list of retailers at ea website

Modifié par Nomadec, 25 décembre 2010 - 04:07 .

[bonscott87]

I for one am glad to hear that somebody is finally standing up to Valve and Steam near monopoly. I could care less if a game is offered on Steam or not, but what bugs me and many other gamers are games that *require* Steamworks and Steam to be installed, even if you buy at retail. That is just wrong. I refuse to buy Fallout New Vegas for example which *requires* Steamworks for a single player game. Outrageous! Or Civ 5. If you want to use Steamworks for multiplayer that's fine by me, but to require it to just play single player? Wrong.



So I'm glad to hear that EA is saying "no" to Steam and yet still available on other digital download services like Impulse or D2D. Hopefully other games do the same and Valve will get the message.

[Dreadz666]

So there is no SE of DA2 for Steam.



But has there been any information about a normal edition for Steam?





I really don't understand what people hate about Steamworks. It has offline mode as everything else so it's possible to play singleplayer without a connection ( unlike Ubisoft's protection) and it does not brake games like GFWL does.

[adriano_c]

Nah, I can understand the hate for Steam very well. I used to hate it myself. It can feel like an unnecessary piece of software on your computer that you're forced into using.

[Darc_Requiem]

bonscott87 wrote...

I for one am glad to hear that somebody is finally standing up to Valve and Steam near monopoly. I could care less if a game is offered on Steam or not, but what bugs me and many other gamers are games that *require* Steamworks and Steam to be installed, even if you buy at retail. That is just wrong. I refuse to buy Fallout New Vegas for example which *requires* Steamworks for a single player game. Outrageous! Or Civ 5. If you want to use Steamworks for multiplayer that's fine by me, but to require it to just play single player? Wrong.

So I'm glad to hear that EA is saying "no" to Steam and yet still available on other digital download services like Impulse or D2D. Hopefully other games do the same and Valve will get the message.

That's the publishers choice. They choose to make a game Steam enabled as a method of DRM.

[Shadelon]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

bonscott87 wrote...

I for one am glad to hear that somebody is finally standing up to Valve and Steam near monopoly. I could care less if a game is offered on Steam or not, but what bugs me and many other gamers are games that *require* Steamworks and Steam to be installed, even if you buy at retail. That is just wrong. I refuse to buy Fallout New Vegas for example which *requires* Steamworks for a single player game. Outrageous! Or Civ 5. If you want to use Steamworks for multiplayer that's fine by me, but to require it to just play single player? Wrong.

So I'm glad to hear that EA is saying "no" to Steam and yet still available on other digital download services like Impulse or D2D. Hopefully other games do the same and Valve will get the message.

That's the publishers choice. They choose to make a game Steam enabled as a method of DRM.

Which is EXACTLY my argument upon why digital download games suck. Because of this DRM crap, the game isn't even really YOUR'S. It's practically like you're merely paying for the rights to use it. And now they're screwing up physical media discs? Glad I'm a console user. But of course it's only a matter of time before that DRM crap is required there too. >.> 

Personally, in this way alone, digital download games are not a step forward, rather a step backward, because now they're stealing the feeling of actually OWNING the game.  

[Steve236]

I live in China so there's really no other way to get games at a reasonable price other then steam. And not to mention EA store and D2D doesn't sale things to china.

[DigiFluid]

I buy all my PC games via Steam. Offline mode works just fine, and the games are mine. I don't know why anyone would feel like they need archaic physical media in this day and age.

Discs become unreadable over time, wear out; even if you're extremely careful with them. I bought Deus Ex twice on CD since it came out, only in 2000! I've nowadays replaced that with a Steam purchase and now I'm perfectly pleased to know that the game will always be at my disposal, and I don't have to treat discs like the Queen's own china if I want to continue to play at any point in the future.

This, however, is wildly off-topic. Bioware has a decent set of games already on Steam, and has released DAO in three separate packages (vanilla, digital deluxe, ultimate) on it now. They've spent all this time and effort establishing a user base via that medium, and now they're not bothering with the sequel on there. It's baffling. And it's a bit of shooting themselves in the foot IMO--like saying "we'll sell through every retailer except Best Buy." Kind of makes you go "huh?"

Also: LOL at the guy suggesting that Steam is a monopoly.  A monopoly corners the market into buying only their products, and bullies competitors out of existence.  Steam is far from the only digital download store out there.  But the guys at Valve do it best, so people want to use it.  That's not being anti-competitive, that's being frakking good at what they do.

Modifié par DigiFluid, 26 décembre 2010 - 07:46 .

[Melca36]

DigiFluid wrote...

I buy all my PC games via Steam. Offline mode works just fine, and the games are mine. I don't know why anyone would feel like they need archaic physical media in this day and age.

Discs become unreadable over time, wear out; even if you're extremely careful with them. I bought Deus Ex twice on CD since it came out, only in 2000! I've nowadays replaced that with a Steam purchase and now I'm perfectly pleased to know that the game will always be at my disposal, and I don't have to treat discs like the Queen's own china if I want to continue to play at any point in the future.

This, however, is wildly off-topic. Bioware has a decent set of games already on Steam, and has released DAO in three separate packages (vanilla, digital deluxe, ultimate) on it now. They've spent all this time and effort establishing a user base via that medium, and now they're not bothering with the sequel on there. It's baffling. And it's a bit of shooting themselves in the foot IMO--like saying "we'll sell through every retailer except Best Buy." Kind of makes you go "huh?"

Also: LOL at the guy suggesting that Steam is a monopoly.  A monopoly corners the market into buying only their products, and bullies competitors out of existence.  Steam is far from the only digital download store out there.  But the guys at Valve do it best, so people want to use it.  That's not being anti-competitive, that's being frakking good at what they do.

I agree.  Its far more convenient downloading games. There is NOTHING wrong with Steam.  Ive never had a problem with Steam and its great to have my games in one place.  

[Melca36]

Shadelon wrote...

Darc_Requiem wrote...

bonscott87 wrote...

I for one am glad to hear that somebody is finally standing up to Valve and Steam near monopoly. I could care less if a game is offered on Steam or not, but what bugs me and many other gamers are games that *require* Steamworks and Steam to be installed, even if you buy at retail. That is just wrong. I refuse to buy Fallout New Vegas for example which *requires* Steamworks for a single player game. Outrageous! Or Civ 5. If you want to use Steamworks for multiplayer that's fine by me, but to require it to just play single player? Wrong.

So I'm glad to hear that EA is saying "no" to Steam and yet still available on other digital download services like Impulse or D2D. Hopefully other games do the same and Valve will get the message.

That's the publishers choice. They choose to make a game Steam enabled as a method of DRM.

Which is EXACTLY my argument upon why digital download games suck. Because of this DRM crap, the game isn't even really YOUR'S. It's practically like you're merely paying for the rights to use it. And now they're screwing up physical media discs? Glad I'm a console user. But of course it's only a matter of time before that DRM crap is required there too. >.> 

Personally, in this way alone, digital download games are not a step forward, rather a step backward, because now they're stealing the feeling of actually OWNING the game.  

Got news for you. You don't own the game when you have a disk either. You need to read those user agreements more carefully.  2011 is right around the corner, companies will be offerin more and more digital downloads. I suggest you get used to it because eventually disks will be obsolete, especially for PC Games since, pc gamers are a minority now.

[Maegorod]

Quick heads up for the other dutchies who don't know it yet, Signature Editions:
12Game.com €39,99 (+€1,95 Verzendkosten) (<--../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png)

Bol.com €49,99 (+€1,95 Verzendkosten, behalve met code F5021GL ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png)

Wehkamp.nl €49,99 (+€1,95 Verzendkosten..?)

Geniet ervan.

Modifié par Maegorod, 26 décembre 2010 - 11:41 .

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Obviously 12Game is the place to get it!

[Shadelon]

Melca36 wrote...

Shadelon wrote...

Darc_Requiem wrote...

bonscott87 wrote...

I for one am glad to hear that somebody is finally standing up to Valve and Steam near monopoly. I could care less if a game is offered on Steam or not, but what bugs me and many other gamers are games that *require* Steamworks and Steam to be installed, even if you buy at retail. That is just wrong. I refuse to buy Fallout New Vegas for example which *requires* Steamworks for a single player game. Outrageous! Or Civ 5. If you want to use Steamworks for multiplayer that's fine by me, but to require it to just play single player? Wrong.

So I'm glad to hear that EA is saying "no" to Steam and yet still available on other digital download services like Impulse or D2D. Hopefully other games do the same and Valve will get the message.

That's the publishers choice. They choose to make a game Steam enabled as a method of DRM.

Which is EXACTLY my argument upon why digital download games suck. Because of this DRM crap, the game isn't even really YOUR'S. It's practically like you're merely paying for the rights to use it. And now they're screwing up physical media discs? Glad I'm a console user. But of course it's only a matter of time before that DRM crap is required there too. >.> 

Personally, in this way alone, digital download games are not a step forward, rather a step backward, because now they're stealing the feeling of actually OWNING the game.  

Got news for you. You don't own the game when you have a disk either. You need to read those user agreements more carefully.  2011 is right around the corner, companies will be offerin more and more digital downloads. I suggest you get used to it because eventually disks will be obsolete, especially for PC Games since, pc gamers are a minority now.

Aren't I glad I'm NOT a PC gamer AT ALL then. I'm console only. I prefer consoles over PC. PS3 specifically (hate Xbox and want nothing to do with Microsoft ever). And I don't see physical media disappearing for consoles any time soon.

They don't have those kinds of stupid protections, and authorization systems that PC gamers have to deal with, on consoles, at least not on PS3. Not from what I've seen. Maybe for multiplayer. EA's started a trend of using authorization codes for multiplayer on their sports games, in order to combat used sales. So far though they haven't touched single player. That doesn't really bother me because after all they have to pay out of their own pocket in order to keep those servers running. As long as they leave single player alone.

It's not the feeling of ownership persey that I like about physical media. I'm old fashioned, when I buy something I like to be able to have something that I can actually hold in my hands. Not possible with digital downloads. As such I will always be against all forms of digital download games. You're not going to change my mind about that, ever, sorry to say. 

[Pixieking]

Shadelon wrote...

It's not the feeling of ownership persey that I like about physical media. I'm old fashioned, when I buy something I like to be able to have something that I can actually hold in my hands. Not possible with digital downloads. As such I will always be against all forms of digital download games. You're not going to change my mind about that, ever, sorry to say. 

So... No Cuboid. No TetrisHD. No Super Streetfighter 2 HD. WipeOut HD is damn hard to find on disc, so none of that either.

Not that I'm trying to change your mind. It's the publishers and developers who are going to do that. It is The Future.

Also, you do realise the new(ish) PSPGo is downloadable games only, right? No disc drive. (And, pre-empting any argument that you may have that that is why the Go failed, I would argue that no-one is going to buy hardware with features removed if they can help it).

Apologies for Off-Topicness.

Modifié par Emoking, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[Crell77]

Question about the Signature Edition: Will I get charged right away if I pre order through a website, or will they wait till the game is released to charge me?
Only asking because I'm unfortunately on a fixed budget, but I really want this game.

Modifié par Crell77, 26 décembre 2010 - 06:21 .

[RocShemp]

Emoking wrote...

So... No Cuboid. No TetrisHD. No Super Streetfighter 2 HD. WipeOut HD is damn hard to find on disc, so none of that either.

You're of course assuming that he even likes those games.  Besides, those purchases are so cheap they're essentially DLC.  Heck, I'm glad I only paid around $5 for Super Street Fighter HD (it was on sale) because it isn't really worth much more than that.

Emoking wrote...

Not that I'm trying to change your mind. It's the publishers and developers who are going to do that. It is The Future.

Also, you do realise the new(ish) PSPGo is downloadable games only, right? No disc drive. (And, pre-empting any argument that you may have that that is why the Go failed, I would argue that no-one is going to buy hardware with features removed if they can help it).

Apologies for Off-Topicness.

And yet Sony has gone on record that they wont abandon disc based media when they finally unveil and release the PS4 (or whatever thay choose to call it).  Also, the biggest complaint was about it being download only and it's fair to assume that the PSP Go would have failed even if it didn't have a drive based PSP as its predecessor.

Digital downloads are useful (that's how I got Total Media Theater, Final Draft, and Microsoft Office) but hardly the future.  Unless they allow me to make disc-based backups (which I've done) and the price is real cheap (whcih in these case they were), I don't bother with digital editions.

Modifié par RocShemp, 26 décembre 2010 - 06:24 .

[Pixieking]

RocShemp wrote...

Emoking wrote...

So... No Cuboid. No TetrisHD. No Super Streetfighter 2 HD. WipeOut HD is damn hard to find on disc, so none of that either.

You're of course assuming that he even likes those games.  Besides, those purchases are so cheap they're essentially DLC.  Heck, I'm glad I only paid around $5 for Super Street Fighter HD (it was on sale) because it isn't really worth much more than that.

My point was that there are many games (of varying genres) that are download only. And I would argue that they're not all priced cheaply - WipeOut HD is £17 UK pounds (about 32 US dollars), an amount which is akin to a "Full Price" game. But, yes, if he doesn't care about owning them, then it's a moot point.

RocShemp wrote...

And yet Sony has gone on record that they wont abandon disc based media when they finally unveil and release the PS4 (or whatever thay choose to call it).  Also, the biggest complaint was about it being download only and it's fair to assume that the PSP Go would have failed even if it didn't have a drive based PSP as its predecessor.

Digital downloads are useful (that's how I got Total Media Theater, Final Draft, and Microsoft Office) but hardly the future.  Unless they allow me to make disc-based backups (which I've done) and the price is real cheap (whcih in these case they were), I don't bother with digital editions.

Fair fair... I do believe they're the future, but it's shepherding the mass market towards it. Like it or loathe it (i love it), Steamworks is doing that. But that's only a problem if Steam behave in an anti-competetive manner (censoring content, for example, like Apple). If they don't, then it's merely a company which leads the way.

Oh, and 2 points... 1, I'm not arguing the PSPGo, because it's very hard to ascertain quite why it failed so badly. Certainly download-only was a part of it, but not the only factor. And 2, there are monopolies that don't hurt the gamer, or are so well hidden as to essentially not be seen - in the UK, the bricks-and-mortar retail market is mostly divided between HMV, Game, and GameStation. And Game and GameStation are owned by the same company. I've not seen anyone complain about that.

(man, this is so off-topic now. Sorry.  )

[Rockworm503]

Shadelon wrote...

Aren't I glad I'm NOT a PC gamer AT ALL then. I'm console only. I prefer consoles over PC. PS3 specifically (hate Xbox and want nothing to do with Microsoft ever). And I don't see physical media disappearing for consoles any time soon.

They don't have those kinds of stupid protections, and authorization systems that PC gamers have to deal with, on consoles, at least not on PS3. Not from what I've seen. Maybe for multiplayer. EA's started a trend of using authorization codes for multiplayer on their sports games, in order to combat used sales. So far though they haven't touched single player. That doesn't really bother me because after all they have to pay out of their own pocket in order to keep those servers running. As long as they leave single player alone.

It's not the feeling of ownership persey that I like about physical media. I'm old fashioned, when I buy something I like to be able to have something that I can actually hold in my hands. Not possible with digital downloads. As such I will always be against all forms of digital download games. You're not going to change my mind about that, ever, sorry to say. 

I was exactly like you until I saw all the games I would be missing out.
I wouldn't have played Mass Effect if it weren't for Steam's digital sale of it.
I used to prefer owning a disk but it became such a hassle trying to find the game I want to play and putting it in to play.
All I have to do is start up steam and play no hassle whatsoever.
In fact I feel more ownership with my digital copy of Mass Effect than my friend does his hard copy of it because he used up EA's 3 install limit and now its useless.. Steam got rid of that if I want to reinstall it takes less time.
But like you said nothing is ever gonna change your mind so I'm wasting my time.  I guess you're getting ready to stop playing games altogether because digital downloads is the future and if no one can change your mind than you won't be playing games. Edit: Maybe its not in the future short term but I bet money that at some point disc based games won't exist anymore.  I love my PS3 too but love my PC even more.

Back on topic I Pre-ordered DA2 last paycheck

Modifié par Rockworm503, 26 décembre 2010 - 07:28 .

[Maegorod]

Crell77 wrote...

Question about the Signature Edition: Will I get charged right away if I pre order through a website, or will they wait till the game is released to charge me?
Only asking because I'm unfortunately on a fixed budget, but I really want this game.

That would be whatever the stores/websites policy is, the store where I pre ordered you have to pay right away. But I also know some stores that will bill you on the day of shipping. So check the store/website for that

Modifié par Maegorod, 26 décembre 2010 - 08:17 .

[RocShemp]

Rockworm503 wrote...
In fact I feel more ownership with my digital copy of Mass Effect than my friend does his hard copy of it because he used up EA's 3 install limit and now its useless..

EA got rid of that in the hard copy as well.  In fact, I don't even have to have Mass Effect disc in the drive to play it (and I didn't even have to download a no-cd crack)..

[Crell77]

Maegorod wrote...

Crell77 wrote...

Question about the Signature Edition: Will I get charged right away if I pre order through a website, or will they wait till the game is released to charge me?
Only asking because I'm unfortunately on a fixed budget, but I really want this game.

That would be whatever the stores/websites policy is, the store where I pre ordered you have to pay right away. But I also know some stores that will bill you on the day of shipping. So check the store/website for that

Thanks, I'll definetely look into the websites, or wait if I must, till January 1st

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Crell77 wrote...

Maegorod wrote...

Crell77 wrote...

Question about the Signature Edition: Will I get charged right away if I pre order through a website, or will they wait till the game is released to charge me?
Only asking because I'm unfortunately on a fixed budget, but I really want this game.

That would be whatever the stores/websites policy is, the store where I pre ordered you have to pay right away. But I also know some stores that will bill you on the day of shipping. So check the store/website for that

Thanks, I'll definetely look into the websites, or wait if I must, till January 1st

It more frequently depends on the LAWS  of the place where the store/on-line business operates.  In most locations it is illegal to charge for an item that is not in-stock until it actually ships to the customer.  They can however charge a DEPOSIT for an order, if they clearly label it as  a deposit.  (And that deposit might  be 100% of the eventual sales price...  )

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 27 décembre 2010 - 12:23 .

[Crell77]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Crell77 wrote...

Maegorod wrote...

Crell77 wrote...

Question about the Signature Edition: Will I get charged right away if I pre order through a website, or will they wait till the game is released to charge me?
Only asking because I'm unfortunately on a fixed budget, but I really want this game.

That would be whatever the stores/websites policy is, the store where I pre ordered you have to pay right away. But I also know some stores that will bill you on the day of shipping. So check the store/website for that

Thanks, I'll definetely look into the websites, or wait if I must, till January 1st

It more frequently depends on the LAWS  of the place where the store/on-line business operates.  In most locations it is illegal to charge for an item that is not in-stock until it actually ships to the customer.  They can however charge a DEPOSIT for an order, if they clearly label it as  a deposit.  (And that deposit might  be 100% of the eventual sales price...  )

then I'll wait till January 1st, when I know I'll have the money to cover the price.

Modifié par Crell77, 27 décembre 2010 - 05:28 .

[mcneil_1]

RocShemp wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...
In fact I feel more ownership with my digital copy of Mass Effect than my friend does his hard copy of it because he used up EA's 3 install limit and now its useless..

EA got rid of that in the hard copy as well.  In fact, I don't even have to have Mass Effect disc in the drive to play it (and I didn't even have to download a no-cd crack)..

Not quite true, you know what is still in the game but the latest patch allows you to revoke the activation of the game (but for some silly and crazy reason the BdtS & Pinnacle Station dlc are unrevokable <_<).