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[Thandal N'Lyman]

Sharuko wrote...

[There is a thread on Steam also, in which we voiced our concern.  In fact, we sent e-mails to Steam and have a Steam group about this.

Again I am 100% sure DA2 will be on Steam, so that argument goes out the window.

a)  And what response did you get from ANYONE at Valve?

  It only goes out the window if/when the game is made available there.  And my point was not that it wouldn't  EVER be on Steam, simply that it won't be there on Release Day.

[AuraofMana]

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
This is classic a person that actually thinks he knows what he is talking about is telling me not to voice my opinion.  I  usually laugh this off but this one is fun.[/quote]
You lack reading skills. Read what I wrote. I told you not to voice your opinion in places where it does not belong.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
You don't say?  I still wasn't talking to you.  It is cool and cute you think you represent the company but here is the sad truth, you don't.  Please understand that.[/quote]
Don't put words in my mouth. I already explained I am not representing Bioware. Bioware isn't even the one that is making this position. I am telling you to take your opinion elsewhere where it belongs and not hijack everyone's thread.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
I am not going to read every comment on the thread.  I said my piece not to be attacked by some angry post.  You think you know it all but you don't.  BioWare has say in the EA/BioWare relationship and they should not go down the path of playing these subtle games with users.  I wanted to buy a BioWare game so I WILL post on the BioWare forums.[/quote]
Wow, how retarded can you get? Bioware is the developer, not the publisher. Bioware gets no say in this. I can't say it in a more simple way so you'll have to use your brain for once.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
Again you seem to have a habit of telling people what to do, don't do it.  You are not as special as you think you are.[/quote]
Habit? This is the first time I've met you and you already talk about habits? Just like your Steam problem, you exaggerate a lot.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
You seem angry.  Did I say it was a life-or-death situation?  Why are you overplaying this?  I said I will purchase the game, but I will purchase it later when I will get all the goodies in the SE edition, I don't mind waiting.  This has everything to do with BioWare.  You have some nerve getting mad over my comment and how I chose to buy the game and when.[/quote]
If it's not a life-or-death situation why do you feel the need to spam your comment everywhere? If it's not that big of a deal I don't see why you insisting on repeating yourself over and over again.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
I have never spammed.  In fact, since you like to act like the forum police look at my post history 99% of the time I am the most positive person in the world.[/quote]
Here is what we call a logic fallacy. If you are sure that you never spammed and that I looked at your post history, I wouldn't be saying you spammed now would I?
Also, I am addressing the plural you. You guys have been spamming this issue for days everywhere. If we strip down all the whining and ****ing the message is very clear: "I don't want to buy it if it's not on Steam." We get it. Now stop spamming.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
I voiced my concern to BioWare not to some random nobodies.  I never said "Steam or Else", I actually said I will buy it at a later date at which you immaturely responded "You will buy it at launch" for no reason.  Blind fanboy's only hate games and video game companies.[/quote]
Then email or PM the developers. Keep digging that hole.
I've seen "resolute" people like you. You **** and whine because you don't get exactly what you want, then turn around and do something else.
Also, how is fanboyism involved in this. I want to know because your last sentence made no contextual sense.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
People that boycott are stupid.  Again you need to get your facts straight before accusing people of things.  I said I will buy it but not at release.[/quote]
Then don't buy it at release. PM the developers even though they aren't the ones handling this.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
I don't care about your opinion either.  This is a perfect thread to say what I wanted to say.  Everyone except Steam users get the SE, this thread is about the SE.  Again, you need to stop telling people what to do.  The sense of entitlement needs to stop.[/quote]
ROFL! Entitlement? You are the one to talk about that. You are the one who keeps thinking you are entitled to anything. The truth is you are not. Whether or not EA chooses to deal with Steam is EA's own business. Who the **** are you to be concerned with it? Either buy it or leave it. You are not entitled to anything. If you have a problem with that, go talk to EA. Spamming the Bioware boards here will not improve the situation.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
I was fine with my first post.  Now you wanted to drag this on, so I am game.[/quote]
You've been dragging this on even though you are expressing your opinion to the wrong target and have the notion that spamming your issue will somehow makes people agree with you more.

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
I don't think you understand what "game development" means.  This is more an issue of marketing and distribution.   Nice try though.[/quote]
Dude, that's part of game development...

[quote]Sharuko wrote...
Again I am 100% sure DA2 will be on Steam, so that argument goes out the window.[/quote]
Yeah, just like when you think Bioware is the one handling this so it makes it automatically true MIRITE?

Modifié par AuraofMana, 03 janvier 2011 - 07:20 .

[upsettingshorts]

Sharuko wrote...

Again I am 100% sure DA2 will be on Steam, so that argument goes out the window.

No it doesn't.  Not if the result is that Steam loses out on a percentage of the market that decides Steam isn't a big deal.  Which would, given this hypothetical, prove EA's point.

I'm not saying that theory is necessarily true.  It's just as likely EA is looking out for their own interests.

What I am saying is picking "sides" is pretty silly.  Voice concerns here and at Steam by all means, but this isn't some prize fight between the "good" company and the "bad" company.  At that level of decisionmaking people like us are numbers on a page for both EA and Valve.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 janvier 2011 - 07:21 .

[Sharuko]

 

You lack reading
skills. Read what I wrote. I told you not to voice your opinion in places
where it does not belong.

Nice now it is time for personal attacks because you are losing the argument.

Don't put words in my
mouth. I already explained I am not representing Bioware. Bioware isn't even
the one that is making this position. I am telling you to take your opinion
elsewhere where it belongs and not hijack everyone's thread.

You are acting like the forum police and telling people what to post and what not to post.  I am not hijacking anyones thread, this is not your thread.

Habit? This is the first time I've met you and
you already talk about habits? Just like your Steam problem, you exaggerate a
lot.

You seem to post on every Steam related post telling people not to complain.  So yes it is a habit.

If it's not a
life-or-death situation why do you feel the need to spam your
comment everywhere? If it's not that big of a deal I don't see why you
insisting on repeating yourself over and over again.

Do you know what "spam" means?  Posting one or two posts on the same thread with a complaint is not spamming.

Also, I am addressing
the plural you. You guys have been spamming this issue for days everywhere. If
we strip down all the whining and ****ing the message is very
clear: "I don't want to buy it if it's not on Steam." We
get it. Now stop spamming.

You call it spamming, I call it feedback.  How about this, ignore Steam posts and stop voluntarily going into Steam threads which you have done to police it.  It is not your job.

Then email or PM the
developers. Keep digging that hole.

I've seen
"resolute" people like you. You **** and whine because you don't get
exactly what you want, then turn around and do something else.

Also, how is fanboyism
involved in this. I want to know because your last sentence made no contextual
sense.

Do NOT tell me what to do, that is not your job.  Well I am not "people like you", I gave my feedback and my suggestion and am sticking to it.

Then don't buy it at
release. PM the developers even though they aren't the ones handling this.

 
I won't buy it at release.  Again don't tell me how to handle this, I have been giving this type of feedback to BioWare and other gaming companies for years, and it is usually done on the forums.  In fact, they will tell you to leave feedback on the forums.

ROFL! Entitlement? You
are the one to talk about that. You are the one who keeps thinking you are
entitled to anything. The truth is you are not. Whether or not EA chooses to
deal with Steam is EA's own business. Who the **** are you to be concerned with
it? Either buy it or leave it. You are not entitled to anything. If you have a
problem with that, go talk to EA. Spamming the Bioware boards here will not
improve the situation.

The only person spamming personal attacks is you.  Again, I gave feedback telling BioWare that this was a crappy move.  Again people like you can rage all they want and stick their nose in other people's business but that will not stop me from giving feedback.

Dude, that's part of game development...

If you only knew.  Cute though that you actually think you know what you are talking about.

[Sharuko]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Sharuko wrote...

[There is a thread on Steam also, in which we voiced our concern.  In fact, we sent e-mails to Steam and have a Steam group about this.

Again I am 100% sure DA2 will be on Steam, so that argument goes out the window.

a)  And what response did you get from ANYONE at Valve?

  It only goes out the window if/when the game is made available there.  And my point was not that it wouldn't  EVER be on Steam, simply that it won't be there on Release Day.

A) None.

It will be avaliable at release, 100%.  Time will tell.

[upsettingshorts]

The fact that no-one from either Steam or EA has commented leads me to believe that there are ongoing negotiations on the subject of distribution.

If a decision had been made, one side or the other would likely have informed people.

In any case, I wanted to make a "you can't be sure you're attacking the right target" point and I have.  I don't really have much else to say on the matter as Steam isn't a huge concern for me.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .

[Havoxfire]

For those of you that think the subject of the SE not being available on Steam is an EA forums relevant discussion I give you this : (although I agree that EA is the one that should be contacted about this)

http://forum.ea.com/...ons/show/1.page

Now please navigate to the most relevant forum.

Also, many threads brining up this subject in the DA2 forums are closed stating that there is already a thread on this topic.

So I ask you, where is the most appropriate place to bring up this topic for public discussion through official forums?

[Sharuko]

Havoxfire wrote...

For those of you that think the subject of the SE not being available on Steam is an EA forums relevant discussion I give you this : (although I agree that EA is the one that should be contacted about this)

http://forum.ea.com/...ons/show/1.page

Now please navigate to the most relevant forum.

Also, many threads brining up this subject in the DA2 forums are closed stating that there is already a thread on this topic.

So I ask you, where is the most appropriate place to bring up this topic for public discussion through official forums?

PS: Clicking on Dragon Age on the EA forums brings you to these forums.

Edit: I think you knew that.

Modifié par Sharuko, 03 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .

[Pixieking]

One thing that occured to me here...



It's, I think, a fair assumption that the SE isn't on Steam because EA wants to force customers to buy it from the EA Store. Or, failing that, any store that isn't Steam, so as to curtail Steam's dominance.



Question: What happens if/when EA decides that, for example, Amazon is taking too many sales away from the EA Store? Right now, Amazon UK have the SE for £25, with delivery on release day. On the EA store, it's £35. You'd have to be mad to buy it on the EA Store, which makes me wonder...



Whilst I doubt that that will happen, it has to be said that EA would never have dreamt of stopping customers from High Street stores (Game, Gamestation, HMV) from pre-ordering an item like they have with Steam.

[aya001]

Because I don't know where to ask this, I'll be posting it here, sorry in advance if is not the correct place to ask...

My question is that I want to import Dragon Age II (PS3 version) from the UK, I'm from Spain, the problem is that I don't know if it will be also with Spanish text, or if it will be text-voice in English, if someone knows and can tell me before the limited time to pre-order the game (and get the signature edition ends) I'll be really grateful. So if someone knows it, or Bioware if you can anwser this... Thanks in advance ^^

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Emoking wrote...

One thing that occured to me here...

It's, I think, a fair assumption that the SE isn't on Steam because EA wants to force customers to buy it from the EA Store. Or, failing that, any store that isn't Steam, so as to curtail Steam's dominance.

Question: What happens if/when EA decides that, for example, Amazon is taking too many sales away from the EA Store? Right now, Amazon UK have the SE for £25, with delivery on release day. On the EA store, it's £35. You'd have to be mad to buy it on the EA Store, which makes me wonder...

Whilst I doubt that that will happen, it has to be said that EA would never have dreamt of stopping customers from High Street stores (Game, Gamestation, HMV) from pre-ordering an item like they have with Steam.

Obviously I'm not "in the room" during any of the negotiations, but I've noticed two things about this situation:

1) It's not like EA isn't making the SE available through MULTIPLE digital, (as well as physical) channels besides its own "EA Store". (Which, BTW, had ME2 for download at less than US$12 yesterday.  Maybe still does...)

2) None of those other channels are ALSO game developer/publishers.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 03 janvier 2011 - 11:53 .

[AuraofMana]

Sharuko wrote...
Blah blah blah

support.ea.com/
is the website you should be going to to **** about your issue. You should also go complain about it to Valve. What part of "Bioware is not the one that is handling this issue" do you not ****ing understand?

Also, I posted in two places about this, and both are filled with people like you (not to mention you seem to like sifting people's post history when you criticized me earlier for doing the same [which I actually didn't do]). See, there is this OTHER THREAD that talks about Steam and Steam only. You should go spam there with other people who agrees with you since you don't seem to understand how disagreement works. Disagreeing with you != being the internet police. It's not my fault you think everyone should agree with you when that's never the case. If I was an "internet police", AKA a mod, I would just delete your post and PM you to direct you to the thread that actually complains about this issue. That's how a forum works.

It's blatantly obvious you do not understand simple logic very well, so I am just going to leave it at that. You can continue to **** about this issue all you want. Nothing gets changed as no one that actually makes these decisions will read your "feedback" because you are posting in the wrong place. This is like constantly calling the cops because you don't agree with a specific law and doesn't understand that the cops are not the one who created the law in the first place - they only uphold it. It's also like buying a game from a retailer. If the game is lacking half of the contents that were promised you should be emailing the developers, not the retailer. You are talking to the wrong target.

Modifié par AuraofMana, 04 janvier 2011 - 12:37 .

[Sharuko]

AuraofMana wrote...

Herp Derp

Again, I will post here.  You are clueless, you are a nobody to tell others what to do, you really are.

I have seen you post on three separate Steam threads and the topic of the thread was "Steam", mind you own business.  Stop acting like the old lady that likes to meddle in other people's business.

If Chris Priestly or a mod tells me to shut up I will.  But you are just a fly on the wall, what you say means nothing to me.  Your suggestions mean nothing to me.  Thus, I will post on this thread to voice my concern.

You don't own this thread.  You are not a mod here, stop acting like one, it really looks pathetic.

Modifié par Sharuko, 04 janvier 2011 - 01:11 .

[Sharuko]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Emoking wrote...

One thing that occured to me here...

It's, I think, a fair assumption that the SE isn't on Steam because EA wants to force customers to buy it from the EA Store. Or, failing that, any store that isn't Steam, so as to curtail Steam's dominance.

Question: What happens if/when EA decides that, for example, Amazon is taking too many sales away from the EA Store? Right now, Amazon UK have the SE for £25, with delivery on release day. On the EA store, it's £35. You'd have to be mad to buy it on the EA Store, which makes me wonder...

Whilst I doubt that that will happen, it has to be said that EA would never have dreamt of stopping customers from High Street stores (Game, Gamestation, HMV) from pre-ordering an item like they have with Steam.

Obviously I'm not "in the room" during any of the negotiations, but I've noticed two things about this situation:

1) It's not like EA isn't making the SE available through MULTIPLE digital, (as well as physical) channels besides its own "EA Store". (Which, BTW, had ME2 for download at less than US$12 yesterday.  Maybe still does...)

2) None of those other channels are ALSO game developer/publishers.

Impulse is run by Stardock which is a game developer.

IGN runs D2D but is not a game developer.

Here is one of the dozens of reasons why I like Steam over any other channel.  If in 10 years I wanted to play Mass Effect 2, I could do that with Steam even with a new computer.  With the EA Online store I couldn't and with boxed copies I couldn't.

I wanted to play Baldur's Gate recently.  If I had it on Steam I could just install it, but the game is not on Steam and my CDs don't work anymore so I had to look for the game and finally found a decent copy and played it.

I am sure 5-8 years down the line I will be like man, Mass Effect 1 was my favorite game ever let me give that a try.  With Steam I could do that.

Modifié par Sharuko, 04 janvier 2011 - 02:29 .

[Demyx_IX]

IGN does nothing right these days anyway.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Sharuko wrote...

... Impulse is run by Stardock which is a game developer.

I stand corrected.  Stardock is, indeed a game developer.  Didn't know they operated "Impulse".  Learn something every day, and now that's two for today!)

Sharuko wrote...

... I wanted to play Baldur's Gate recently.  If I had it on Steam I could just install it, but the game is not on Steam and my CDs don't work anymore so I had to look for the game and finally found a decent copy and played it.

So did I (Well, IWD2, actually, but I also have BG, BG2, etc.)  My discs worked fine!

[Shadelon]

I've tried explaining this to people before but it never gets through.



A. EA is the publisher, not Bioware. EA has THE FINAL SAY on ANYTHING related to distribution, PERIOD. Bioware has probably told EA about your concerns, but EA has the final say in the end. Not Bioware. Complaining to Bioware about this is a moot point because they CAN NOT change it. EA made the decision, not they.



B. CD's can degrade within about 10 years or more. But DVD's and for that matter BD's are designed to last significantly longer. In fact I've been told by a manager at Sony's customer service that BD's are designed such to last potentially 100 years or more. But people seem to base their entire argument on digital distribution vs physical media on CD's degrading, which has nothing to do with DVD or BD (and given a couple of years, BD WILL replace DVD).



For those who don't know BD = Blu-Ray Disc.

[mad825]

Shadelon wrote...

B. CD's can degrade within about 10 years or more. But DVD's and for that matter BD's are designed to last significantly longer. In fact I've been told by a manager at Sony's customer service that BD's are designed such to last potentially 100 years or more. But people seem to base their entire argument on digital distribution vs physical media on CD's degrading, which has nothing to do with DVD or BD (and given a couple of years, BD WILL replace DVD).

degradation rate is not very easy to pin-ponit. the life span DVDs are quite long however it would depend on the quallity of the disc and the enviorment, DVDs can have a lifespan of 30 years.

In any case, it doesnt really matter, If you lose/damage the disc. You can always download it from EA store so long as you still have the serial key.

Also BD will never be for PC gameing until a long, long time has passed.

Modifié par mad825, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:06 .

[Zothius]

Not buying it until I see it on Steam, I have 70+ games there and I really dont want another digital distribution service to keep track of.

[xKerberos]

Now what's this all about? I recently received an LG Blu-ray Rewriter and love playing movies using it but I don't have an issue with DVDs for PC gaming. I love retail boxes and just ordered the DA2 SE yesterday. I'm hoping the soundtrack is in CD form for listening in the car.

[Sharuko]

Shadelon wrote...

I've tried explaining this to people before but it never gets through.

A. EA is the publisher, not Bioware. EA has THE FINAL SAY on ANYTHING related to distribution, PERIOD. Bioware has probably told EA about your concerns, but EA has the final say in the end. Not Bioware. Complaining to Bioware about this is a moot point because they CAN NOT change it. EA made the decision, not they.

B. CD's can degrade within about 10 years or more. But DVD's and for that matter BD's are designed to last significantly longer. In fact I've been told by a manager at Sony's customer service that BD's are designed such to last potentially 100 years or more. But people seem to base their entire argument on digital distribution vs physical media on CD's degrading, which has nothing to do with DVD or BD (and given a couple of years, BD WILL replace DVD).

For those who don't know BD = Blu-Ray Disc.

I would like to carry around 100 DVDs for all my games, but with Steam I can carry all of them with my username and password.  Thanks for the suggestion though.

[Blinx123]

Sharuko wrote...

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Emoking wrote...

One thing that occured to me here...

It's, I think, a fair assumption that the SE isn't on Steam because EA wants to force customers to buy it from the EA Store. Or, failing that, any store that isn't Steam, so as to curtail Steam's dominance.

Question: What happens if/when EA decides that, for example, Amazon is taking too many sales away from the EA Store? Right now, Amazon UK have the SE for £25, with delivery on release day. On the EA store, it's £35. You'd have to be mad to buy it on the EA Store, which makes me wonder...

Whilst I doubt that that will happen, it has to be said that EA would never have dreamt of stopping customers from High Street stores (Game, Gamestation, HMV) from pre-ordering an item like they have with Steam.

Obviously I'm not "in the room" during any of the negotiations, but I've noticed two things about this situation:

1) It's not like EA isn't making the SE available through MULTIPLE digital, (as well as physical) channels besides its own "EA Store". (Which, BTW, had ME2 for download at less than US$12 yesterday.  Maybe still does...)

2) None of those other channels are ALSO game developer/publishers.

Impulse is run by Stardock which is a game developer.

IGN runs D2D but is not a game developer.

Here is one of the dozens of reasons why I like Steam over any other channel.  If in 10 years I wanted to play Mass Effect 2, I could do that with Steam even with a new computer.  With the EA Online store I couldn't and with boxed copies I couldn't.

I wanted to play Baldur's Gate recently.  If I had it on Steam I could just install it, but the game is not on Steam and my CDs don't work anymore so I had to look for the game and finally found a decent copy and played it.

I am sure 5-8 years down the line I will be like man, Mass Effect 1 was my favorite game ever let me give that a try.  With Steam I could do that.

Presupposing Valve hasn't abandoned Steam by then.

[Sharuko]

Blinx123 wrote...

Sharuko wrote...

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Emoking wrote...

One thing that occured to me here...

It's, I think, a fair assumption that the SE isn't on Steam because EA wants to force customers to buy it from the EA Store. Or, failing that, any store that isn't Steam, so as to curtail Steam's dominance.

Question: What happens if/when EA decides that, for example, Amazon is taking too many sales away from the EA Store? Right now, Amazon UK have the SE for £25, with delivery on release day. On the EA store, it's £35. You'd have to be mad to buy it on the EA Store, which makes me wonder...

Whilst I doubt that that will happen, it has to be said that EA would never have dreamt of stopping customers from High Street stores (Game, Gamestation, HMV) from pre-ordering an item like they have with Steam.

Obviously I'm not "in the room" during any of the negotiations, but I've noticed two things about this situation:

1) It's not like EA isn't making the SE available through MULTIPLE digital, (as well as physical) channels besides its own "EA Store". (Which, BTW, had ME2 for download at less than US$12 yesterday.  Maybe still does...)

2) None of those other channels are ALSO game developer/publishers.

Impulse is run by Stardock which is a game developer.

IGN runs D2D but is not a game developer.

Here is one of the dozens of reasons why I like Steam over any other channel.  If in 10 years I wanted to play Mass Effect 2, I could do that with Steam even with a new computer.  With the EA Online store I couldn't and with boxed copies I couldn't.

I wanted to play Baldur's Gate recently.  If I had it on Steam I could just install it, but the game is not on Steam and my CDs don't work anymore so I had to look for the game and finally found a decent copy and played it.

I am sure 5-8 years down the line I will be like man, Mass Effect 1 was my favorite game ever let me give that a try.  With Steam I could do that.

Presupposing Valve hasn't abandoned Steam by then.

This has been answered several times by Steam.  If they ever go out of business or they decide to let go of Steam all Steam games will be deauthorized and available to play offline.

Modifié par Sharuko, 04 janvier 2011 - 06:53 .

[puiu1974]

KendallX23 wrote...

i didn't get upgrade...i had to order the SE as another game....

Me too,I am from easten Europe.

[steven20011]

For all the dutch people out there

www.bol.com

You can order it here