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[Forsythia]

Angantyricon wrote...

I can only agree with the EA download system being horrible. However, from what I remember, the Digital Deluxe Edition on steam didn't come at the same time as the normal edition, but first after a couple of DLC releases.

No, that was available for pre-order as well. I would have glady pre-ordered the Signature Edition too, but alas, EA chose to not release it on Steam. I find that quite pathetic, but hey, I'm just a customer, so what do I know?

On topic of the Signature Edition. Will those items be available for download later on as I cannot get them anymore?

Modifié par Forsythia, 12 janvier 2011 - 07:42 .

[Disphoria]

I'm also mega pissed that the day the sale ends it goes up on steam. Quite classy of you bioware. You know because PC gamers never cared about you right?. It's so filthy for bioware/ea to pull this.

[Forsythia]

Disphoria wrote...

I'm also mega pissed that the day the sale ends it goes up on steam. Quite classy of you bioware. You know because PC gamers never cared about you right?. It's so filthy for bioware/ea to pull this.

Well, to be honest, there has to be a valid reason as to why it happened. We actually do not know who is at fault here. Still, I'm not liking it.

[Disphoria]

There is no reason for it other than greed. Digital sales have surpassed retail sales in the PC market. This puts PC game retailers in a very bad position, and so they put pressure on the publishers. I have bought both DA1 and 2, ME1 and 2, all on steam, I have ME1 on xbox 360, and a PC disk of ME1. I want all my games on one place, and pulling this crap is ridiculous.



They save packaging, they save distribution costs, yet the one network the majority of users purchase their game on, they add $10 to the norm price tag, remove all retail bonuses, and expect me to pay for the game? what a joke.

[Forsythia]

Other DD services got the Signature Edition, only Steam was left out iirc. So this has nothing to do with retail versus digital distribution.

[Pixieking]

Meh. I more annoyed that the Steam edition isn't discounted (£30 pre-order price? Ack!). I pre-ordered the SE from Amazon. I'll take the bonus code from it, sell it to CEX, and buy the standard edition from Steam. EA burn me on the Steam SE, I'll burn them by feeding the second hand market they so despise. All's fair in love and war.

[Disphoria]

Other DD services do not make up nearly the market share as steam does.
http://www.deals4dow...tion-platforms/
for reference.

(This is 1 year old, and since then the amount of users using steam has peaked from 2.4 million playing to 3.4 million playing)

Modifié par Disphoria, 12 janvier 2011 - 08:48 .

[adriano_c]

I had no problem paying 65 USD for the DDE of Dragon Age on Steam when it came out. Everything was transparent and the pricing felt "fair", relative to typical PC game collectors' editions, game length, content, and all that. However, this business of basically locking out the largest PC market share from even being able to pick up the "collectors' edition" (call it what you will) in what appears to be an attempt to further fleece Steam-centric users through DLC purchases is pretty repugnant. I'm also not crazy about pricing standard editions at DDE prices "just because", while only making the DDE-equilvalent available to those willing to make an uninformed purchase under the guise of "good faith".



Whatever, it's "just Dragon Age".



Bring on the UE or whatever it'll be branded a year from now.

[Neil Decurio]

Was really looking forward to DA2 for the longest time, but they just lost a sale unless something changes in the time forwards to release. I don't buy my games anywhere but Steam. I keep it to one location, and one location only. It's why my Steam profile says I got 391 games after all. With the games I am interested in, I don't want no Standard Editions if there is a "CE" available, and this is annoying me enough to just wait for the DA2 Ultimate Edition on a 75% sale sometime in the following year(s). Good move, whoever it was over at EA that decided this, you're losing money.

[muse108]

am greatly annoyed steam never got this

[Moirnelithe]

Bah, I would really have preferred to have DA2 on Steam, now I've had to buy it from the EA store because of the Signature Edition. I really dislike these kinds of marketing ploys. You're really not making friends here EA.

[Fish-E]

Why the hell was this not on steam >_>



Very annoying.

[somnolentsurfer]

Fairly annoyed about this. Screwing a loyal fanbase out of the best deal on some of your content just because of the store they choose to use is out of order. Trying to decide whether I should buy now it's finally on Steam, or whether I should wait for a better value edition.

[iRaynerX]

I ordered a normal copy of Da2 for xbox 360 on the 11th just the normal copy from amazon.co.uk just wanting to check when it arrives will it be the signature edition and come with all the stuff.

Modifié par iRaynerX, 12 janvier 2011 - 10:27 .

[Lord_Saulot]

somnolentsurfer wrote...

Fairly annoyed about this. Screwing a loyal fanbase out of the best deal on some of your content just because of the store they choose to use is out of order. Trying to decide whether I should buy now it's finally on Steam, or whether I should wait for a better value edition.

If you choose to use a store that didn't offer a promotion that other stores offer, you are being screwed out of that promotion?  And even if you are being screwed, shouldn't you take it out on the store that didn't offer the promotion?

[Pixieking]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

somnolentsurfer wrote...

Fairly annoyed about this. Screwing a loyal fanbase out of the best deal on some of your content just because of the store they choose to use is out of order. Trying to decide whether I should buy now it's finally on Steam, or whether I should wait for a better value edition.

If you choose to use a store that didn't offer a promotion that other stores offer, you are being screwed out of that promotion?  And even if you are being screwed, shouldn't you take it out on the store that didn't offer the promotion?

No, we should take it out on EA. They have the distribution rights, and it's down to them that the SE wasn't available on Steam.

[Kanten]

Lord_Saulot wrote...
If you choose to use a store that didn't offer a promotion that other stores offer, you are being screwed out of that promotion?  And even if you are being screwed, shouldn't you take it out on the store that didn't offer the promotion?

In-game content is not a promotion, it's an attempted monopoly. And Steam didn't "not offer the promotion", EA didn't permit them to take pre-orders until the 12th.

[Disphoria]

Lord_saulot, It wasnt a choice. We never got to choose. They blatantly started selling the game on steam an hour after the promotion ended, without warning. Mass effect 2, and DA:O both had equivalent retail promotions on steam. People who have purchased all bioware games on steam, and there is alot of them, are probably going to want to keep purchasing on steam because it's simply the best digital platform. It's better than retail. I refuse to purchase this game without the included DLC. Pretty greedy move, basically telling the 30% market share steam has on PC game sales that they have to pay an extra $20 for the full game experience. When there is no packing fees, no distribution costs, no bandwidth costs, other than the premium they have to pay steam to have it on their platform.

When will EA learn that people use steam because it's a better platform, and will stop doing this pointless competition. It only hurts the consumer and continues to plunder EA's and their studios reputations.

Look what happened to the PS3 in the past few weeks. It's wide open now. It's all a matter of time simply because sony pissed off the wrong people. This is a stupid game that has to stop, I'm tired of being classed as a third world citizen because I choose to play recent titles on my high end PC, that is atleast two generations ahead of consoles. Digtal sales account for over 50% of PC sales, Steam has atleast 30% of all PC sales now, You just pissed off 1/3 of your potential customers, and probably your entire PC bioware enthusiast fanbase that has stuck with you since Baldurs gate and NWN1; Hint, the majority of them use steam. (God the CS 1.3 and NWN1 days were amazing). The irony is you still hope I will purchase Old republic, what a fail.

Modifié par Disphoria, 13 janvier 2011 - 12:16 .

[JBaconBits]

I've been disinterested in DA2 for a lot of reasons, but not putting the Signature Edition on Steam sealed the deal for me.



-1 purchase

[somnolentsurfer]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

If you choose to use a store that didn't offer a promotion that other stores offer, you are being screwed out of that promotion?  And even if you are being screwed, shouldn't you take it out on the store that didn't offer the promotion?

What everyone else said.

Offers and pricing on the digital download services aren't set by the stores, they're set by the publishers. I choose the service I want to use based on the service they provide, and the fact that I want to keep my RPG collection (as far as possible) in one place. For the publisher to choose to block the service I use from selling the product during an offer period that's available everywhere else basically amounts to monopolistic practices. Sounds a lot like getting shafted to me...

[somnolentsurfer]

Edit: Double post. Sorry.

Modifié par somnolentsurfer, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:27 .

[Shadelon]

I'm getting sick of all this arguing, so here:

Chris Priestly wrote...



Tony, and others, the deal with Steam was not available in time for the Signature Edition offer. I know this will not prevent you from thinking this was a big conspiracy, but the deal was not finalized in time for the Signature Edition. However, we are pleased to now have a deal in place with Steam for Steam users such as yourself. You did have the option of pre-ordering through a physical retailer or otehr digital retailers. If you chose not to, that was your decision. As such, comments accusing us of "ripping off" people are not welcome here and will be considered spam with all implied penalties associated with posting spam on these forums.



As for The Black Emporium, Fadeshear and the Lion of Orlais, the Black Emporium is available for all new copies of DAII, so that does include Steam. Fadeshear and Lion of Orlais are also available on Steam as long as you pre-order. They are only available as pre-order items and will not be available once the game launches, but they are available on Steam until teh game ships.

The deal simply WAS NOT FINALIZED IN TIME FOR THE OFFER. They were NOT trying to shaft you. There just simply was not enough time to finalize the deal.



There's alot more that goes on behind the scenes than you can possibly *bleep*ing imagine, so to claim that you automatically KNOW it was some conspiracy designed to shaft you just because they want to promote their own DD platform is absurd, ridiculous, and all in all, MORONIC. You know absolutely nothing of the business side of this. You know absolutely nothing of the negotiations between EA and Steam. Stop acting like you do. And STOP putting it on Bioware.



Excuse my attitude and language but this arguing and ranting over this steam crap is seriously getting on my nerves.



Good day.

[Bodhesatva]

I think the "oops, didn't get done in time" response would make far more sense if a host of other EA games weren't also suffering from the same issue.

I can't get Sims 3 on Steam, but I can get it on Direct2Drive, Impulse, EA's own store, etc. I can't preorder Dead Space 2 on Steam, but I can everywhere else. I can't preorder Crysis 2 there. I can't order Darkspore there. All of these games are already available for preorder in other locations -- in most cases, multiple other locations -- but NOT on the single most popular digital distribution platform on the PC.

Other EA games come out a month late on Steam, like Need for Speed did just recently. The odds that every single one of these EA games is coincidentally experiencing similar licensing errors are very small: it seems far more logical to assume that EA is attempting to negotiate with Valve to increase their share of revenue or get some other preferential treatment.

I also dismiss the claim that this constitutes some wild conspiracy theory: what I am suggesting is, in fact, absolutely normal operating behavior for a big business. Let me put it another way -- I'm suggesting that EA is trying to leverage another company (in this case Valve) in to giving it a larger share of the overall revenue stream in the distribution of its products. That constitutes a conspiracy? Because that happens every day in every industry somewhere in the world.

It's not unusual. But it's still anti-consumer behavior, and its regularity doesn't mean I have to like it.

Modifié par Bodhesatva, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:58 .

[Thicos]

why some sites are still selling the signature edition?

reliable?



Bioware, please

[Himajin]

Very disappointed that EA/Bioware neglected their many loyal customers who prefer to purchase their games on Steam with this special edition. This is a slap in the face to say the least.