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[bjdbwea]

Dear BioWare and EA,

after the disappointment with ME 2, I will not pre-order any of your games again in the foreseeable future (but I usually don't pre-order games anyway these days). LotSB was amazing, but it doesn't have restored my faith in your company yet. Especially not in DA 2 obviously, which seems to contain a lot of important changes that I don't like (and the DA DLCs were also far from being as good as LotSB). So I will have to wait and read some credible reviews of your games, most importantly reviews from people who paid for the game, not from people who were paid to play it. Of course I would still be willing to buy the game shortly after release, if your promises turn out to be true.

But do you want to know what announcements like this "signature edition" do? No, they do not increase the chance of me pre-ordering the game. Instead, this even decreases the chance of me buying the game when it's released. Because I will not accept to get some content - content that was ready and finished on release day, and content that's not just an armor or weapon, but actual gameplay content - cut out of my game, just because I maintain my right to wait and see before I buy a product. So even if the game is really good, I might just wait until the price has dropped enough to outweigh the costs to buy this cut content as a DLC. Or I might just wait for the inevitable "ultimate" edition (or however it'll be called) that finally contains the full game.

And by the way, I am curious about this whole strategy anyway. Surely, if the game is great, there is no need to give away so much content just for pre-ordering it. Surely people would immediately buy the game anyway. So why do you feel the need for such a strong incentive in the first place? This, also, does not make me more confident in the product I am supposed to pre-order.

I hope you don't feel the need to close this thread, because I think this issue goes beyond a particular game. The main question is, how much are the customers willing to accept until they say "enough"? I don't mind the armors and weapons as a bonus. Especially not if mods can easily add tons of that stuff to the game anyway. I also don't mind DLCs that are developed and sold after release. But cutting a whole companion out of the game, and then only giving that "for free" to people who agree to buy the cat in the bag, that goes too far. What's next, I wonder.

Sincerely,

An unimportant customer

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:50 .

[Alexia89]

I dont think Bioware decides on much of the pre order bonus stuff. This is more the work of a publisher.



Not that u mind either way....no doubt i will be pre-ordering this anyway.

[Shepard Lives]

One word.



Shale.



That is all.

[Tiax Rules All]

ya, what she said. no intentionally leaving finished content out of retail game

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

shepard_lives wrote...

One word.

Shale.

That is all.

What he said

[BroBear Berbil]

I love when forum posts are formatted as letters. Why don't you mail this to them?

[upsettingshorts]

shepard_lives wrote...

One word.

Shale.

That is all.

Thread over, nothing to see here.

[bjdbwea]

Shale is not a relevant comparison. That whole thing was indeed already questionable. But remember, the code to download the DLC was part of any newly bought game. You could still at least read some reviews before deciding to buy the game. Making this dependent on pre-ordering the game, goes another step further.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:02 .

[Nerevar-as]

OnionXI wrote...

I love when forum posts are formatted as letters. Why don't you mail this to them?

Devs are usually reading this forums. Whether they have any say in this is another matter.

I´m waiting for GotY almost for certain. Nothing important in SE that won´t be there. Quite sad when you look at the CE from other games. DS2 is EA to and it has a Plasma Cutter model, so who decided DA2 would be this poor? This CE is mostly content cut from the full game. Marketing for BW keeps getting worse.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

I beg to differ

[flamesoul32]

Oddly enough I have no problem with this. It is a valid way to combat them losing money from used game sales. Most likely the new character and quests come with every new copy just like Shale did. For the record she was advertised with the Collectors Edition even though she came with the normal one.

I also suspect that This content is mainly going to be worked on between the time the game goes gold and its release. That would be a really smart idea and would also give aouther reason why its not included on the disk.

[upsettingshorts]

bjdbwea wrote...

Shale is not a relevant comparison. That whole thing was indeed already questionable. But remember, the code to download the DLC was part of any newly bought game. You could still at least read some reviews before deciding to buy the game. Making this dependent on pre-ordering the game, goes another step further.

And what if the comparison is Zaeed, does that change anything?  I submit that it does not. 

For your anger to make sense to me, it would have to be as if they released Mass Effect 2 with someone like Grunt - whose presence is welcome but certainly not mission or plot critical - as a pre-order exclusive character.  This strikes me as highly unlikely.

Lady light doorbell wrote...

I beg to differ

And then there's that.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:06 .

[Eski.Moe]

I'm not a fan of pre-order bonuses. Seems like a cheap tactic really but it's the way of the present I guess. You can see EA clearly in this.

I don't want to be penalised for waiting to purchase a game.

[Leonia]

Wow. It's DLC, don't put the cart before the horse. Really, this sort of marketting is not new, don't freak out so quickly.

Here's a revolutionary concept: Don't pre-order if you don't like this marketting strategy. You won't miss out on the game because you didn't buy DLC any more than you missed out on Origins content by not buying DLC content for that.

I remember a day when we didn't pre-order games or have incentives to do so. How spoiled RPG gamers are now!

Modifié par leonia42, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:09 .

[upsettingshorts]

Eski.Moe wrote...

I'm not a fan of pre-order bonuses. Seems like a cheap tactic really but it's the way of the present I guess. You can see EA clearly in this.
I don't want to be penalised for waiting to purchase a game.

Realize that you are assuming that they are changing their gameplan from DA:O, which employed what appears to be a remarkably identical marketing campaign.

[bjdbwea]

Zaeed is like Shale: Yes, it was questionable to cut them out of the game. But at least they were part of any game that you bought new. Now, they cut out content and give it only to those who are willing to buy the cat in the bag. Do you really not see the difference? Do you really not wonder what the next step will be?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:10 .

[Xewaka]

This assumes that the regular retail versions will not have the extra companion. It is too soon to know if they will or they won't.

[upsettingshorts]

bjdbwea wrote...

Zaeed is like Shale: Yes, it was questionable to cut them out of the game. But at least they were part of any game that you bought new. Now, they cut out content and give it only to those who are willing to buy the cat in the bag. Do you really not see the difference? Do you really not wonder what the next step will be?

I'm assuming the difference does not exist, because I have no reason to believe it does.  Yet.  

If it turns out that the additional character ends up not being present in the normal retail version, I'll be right there with you.  Until then I believe any kind of indignation over the announcement of the pre-order bonuses is premature and potentially motivated by hesitancy/confirmation bias regarding Bioware's publisher, Electronic Arts. 

Which means that those who distrust the motivations of a company like EA will see any potential evidence that the company is acting unjustly as actual evidence.  Which does not necessarily follow.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:14 .

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

While I agree that DLC within a certain range is just a cheap way for corporations to greed us out of more money, and that the DLC for DAO was largely terrible, for all we know this "Extra Playable Character" could be a half hour mini campaign.

[Nerevar-as]

Xewaka wrote...

This assumes that the regular retail versions will not have the extra companion. It is too soon to know if they will or they won't.

Then SE only has soundtrack and a handful of items for bonus. <_< Still not worth risking a preorder, I´d rather wait a year+ and get full DA2 for more or less the same money. Another "advantage" of this not being a sequel to the Origins story.

[Marionetten]

EA sure is working hard on running BioWare's reputation into the ground.

[upsettingshorts]

Marionetten wrote...

EA sure is working hard on running BioWare's reputation into the ground.

Confirmation bias is working overtime to link everything people don't like about Bioware to Electronic Arts. 

[Leonia]

Marionetten wrote...

EA sure is working hard on running BioWare's reputation into the ground.

Yes, they did such a good job on ruining Origins.. oh wait.

[Anarya]

This is really like a "is the glass half full or half empty?" thing. Does one see the content as a cool bonus or something they cruelly ripped out of your game?

[Eski.Moe]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Eski.Moe wrote...

I'm not a fan of pre-order bonuses. Seems like a cheap tactic really but it's the way of the present I guess. You can see EA clearly in this.
I don't want to be penalised for waiting to purchase a game.

Realize that you are assuming that they are changing their gameplan from DA:O, which employed what appears to be a remarkably identical marketing campaign.

What? I'm just commenting on this particular game bonus. With Dragon Age uno, you received a bonus for buying the game new, regardless of preordering or not. It's cool to have a preorder bonus of a t-shirt or some behind the scenes schtick but something that seems to add something significant? Perhaps I'm jumping the gun but I'm commenting more on the practice.