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[Eleinehmm]

captain.subtle wrote...

My analysis on the gaming situation:

Another generalization:

Buyers are students or unemployed people in general (a lot of them at least). They get money from govt. and spend it to buy games. just proves that Govt. is giving too much money to unemployed considering this can be called a luxury,

Wait, wait, wait  ! - Are you serious or is it  troll mode™ ?

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 15 octobre 2010 - 07:49 .

[Meltemph]

Urgh... by "us" I do mean the Origins fanbase. But saying "they've given us reason to be skeptical" does not equal saying "we are all, every one of us, skeptical." You drew an arrow there that I don't. So you're arguing with yourself at this point.

Well soooorry, I was not trying to offend you, but you can never be to sure if people are trying to speak for more then themselves or a type of point of view, on forums. Just thought I asked. I will be more careful how I ask it next time, I guess.

[0x30A88]

I think it is nice to see that the folks at BioWare takes their time to answer our questions. A clear signal that they care about us, not only our money. Sadly this is not as common in the gaming industry.
I would/will be prepurchasing at once a store in Norway provides the opportunity, or if it becomes available as a prepurchase on Steam.
I bought DA:O just because a screenshot looked nice and one single person's opinion on another forum and fell in love with it. Now it's 250 hours and still going strong...
I do not doubt Bioware, and will disregard the slight decline in quality witihn Awakening and Witch Hunt. For they have a long experience within the RPG genre and a passion rarely seen in this industry.

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 15 octobre 2010 - 08:02 .

[Eleinehmm]

Gisle Aune wrote...

I think it is nice to see that the folks at BioWare takes their time to answer our questions. A clear signal that they care about us, not only our money. Sadly this is not as common in the gaming industry.

I would/will be prepurchasing at once a store in Norway provides the opportunity, or if it becomes available as a prepurchase on Steam.

I bought DA:O just because a screenshot looked nice and one single person's opinion on another forum and fell in love with it. Now it's 250 hours and still going strong...

But they do care about the money - If your country don't have a strong game market they don't sell it there.  I will get a steam copy as I move around a lot and really don't want do get duped.

[0x30A88]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Gisle Aune wrote...

I think it is nice to see that the folks at BioWare takes their time to answer our questions. A clear signal that they care about us, not only our money. Sadly this is not as common in the gaming industry.

I would/will be prepurchasing at once a store in Norway provides the opportunity, or if it becomes available as a prepurchase on Steam.

I bought DA:O just because a screenshot looked nice and one single person's opinion on another forum and fell in love with it. Now it's 250 hours and still going strong...

But they do care about the money - If your country don't have a strong game market they don't sell it there.  I will get a steam copy as I move around a lot and really don't want do get duped.

Should I have underlined the adverb "only"? Of course th edevelopers need to get by and be rewarded for such good work. But if the lust for profit gets out of propotions -- it will not end happily.

[Iakus]

Note: The following is simply my opipnion. For whatever it's worth.



I've mostly been lurking, but sitting out the DA2 stuff because, while I have some concerns about the game, I saw no reason to panic. I was not, however, going to preorder the game. After the crushing disappointment of Mass Effect 2, plus the substantial changes being done to Dragon Age 2, I felt I should wait and see how the game goes before sinking sixty bucks into it.



Now I'm finding out that in adition to in-game items as a preorder bonus (which is pretty common, no big deal) I'm finding out that an entire playable companion and missions are being held hostage?



This is not like Zaed or Shale, which you need to purchase a new copy to obtain. I'm more than happy to pay for a new copy for a game. This is "preorder by a certain date or you can't have this" This is beyond extra weapons or armor, or a soundtrack. This is GAME CONTENT. Big difference.



At any rate, this is not helping Bioware earn back my trust after ME 2, or easing any lingering doubts about DA2. This smacks of forcing people to make a decision. "Preorder the game despite misgivings or miss out on content which we just happen to have been working on at the same time"



There, I've said my piece. All done.

[Eleinehmm]

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iakus wrote...
Now I'm finding out that in adition to in-game items as a preorder
bonus (which is pretty common, no big deal) I'm finding out that an
entire playable companion and missions are being held hostage?

This
is not like Zaed or Shale, which you need to purchase a new copy to
obtain. I'm more than happy to pay for a new copy for a game. This is
"preorder by a certain date or you can't have this" This is beyond
extra weapons or armor, or a soundtrack. This is GAME CONTENT. Big
difference.

P.S I am pretty much sure that they will raise the price and make it seem like it has always been that way 

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 octobre 2010 - 10:45 .

[Saibh]

Can we cut down on the gigantic pyramids? They get threads locked.

Modifié par Saibh, 15 octobre 2010 - 08:17 .

[Eleinehmm]

Saibh wrote...

Can we cut down on the gigantic pyramids? They get threads locked.

Already did it before your post

[captain.subtle]

Eleinehmm wrote...


Hey , I don't know  what-you-do-for-a-living Interenet person !  
Pure Mathematicans are funny that way 

It should be obvious from the reference.. 

Anyway. to answer your original q:

I was not trolling. I just thought that it was reasonable to assume what I did. It was just an approximation at the fact.

[Addai]

Meltemph wrote...

Urgh... by "us" I do mean the Origins fanbase. But saying "they've given us reason to be skeptical" does not equal saying "we are all, every one of us, skeptical." You drew an arrow there that I don't. So you're arguing with yourself at this point.

Well soooorry, I was not trying to offend you, but you can never be to sure if people are trying to speak for more then themselves or a type of point of view, on forums. Just thought I asked. I will be more careful how I ask it next time, I guess.

No worries, I'm not offended if you aren't.  We're copacetic.

It's Friday, I"m going to finish The Witcher this weekend and FNV comes out on Tuesday.  The only thing that could improve my gaming outlook right now would be for Bioware to release a shot of cross-dressing Qunari doing the remigold.

Or the can-can.  Even better.

[Amyntas]

Until a game is released developers should focus on making the game as good as possible on release day, and not start cutting content or developing "bonus" content. It's an insult to release a game with premium content which was developed parallel to the base game. What it says to me is "This skeleton game is good enough for us to charge $60 for it, now we can start to milk them for the rest." That may work for a while, but you're ruining your reputation. Reminds me of the bankers who took short-term risks to maximise their personal profits, but ruined their banks in the process. (after they had left the boat) I hope this is not what's going on at Bioware.

[VampireCommando]

No not really as its kinda just a nice thankyou bonus for those of us that have our minds set on buying it regardless, i doubt any of the bonus's will be majorly significant in terms of gameplay anyway, its kinda a shame that BW announce that there doing something nice for those of us that are preordering it now and people will still rant and moan, however this is the internet i supose.

[Nerevar-as]

Amyntas wrote...

Until a game is released developers should focus on making the game as good as possible on release day, and not start cutting content or developing "bonus" content. It's an insult to release a game with premium content which was developed parallel to the base game. What it says to me is "This skeleton game is good enough for us to charge $60 for it, now we can start to milk them for the rest." That may work for a while, but you're ruining your reputation. Reminds me of the bankers who took short-term risks to maximise their personal profits, but ruined their banks in the process. (after they had left the boat) I hope this is not what's going on at Bioware.

I´d rather have bugs fixed than day 1 DLC. Different teams, I know, but it does tell something about priorities. Origins and Awakeings still have quite a few bug without mods.

[KmAI]

Am I the only one still reeling 11 pages later that someone is complaining about a 5 dollar refundable deposit? Even if the content was game breakingly fantastic: If you don't have 5 dollars to spend on a preorder that you don't even have to commit to, you have more problems than a video game. The only way the 5 dollars being budget breaking would make sense would be that some pirating weasel feels ripped off.

Not sure about the game? drop 5 dollars at your local soul-less megastore gamestuff or eb. That way if you decide a week before the game comes out its super fantastic : you're set.  If the game looks like crap, most gamestops won't toss out preorders until two weeks after the game is released.. so you still have half a month to change your mind. If you at any point decide for certain you will never touch it : cancel.. you get a cash refund.. large coffee money now regained : a winnar is you

Seriously. Also if you have no life and you still couldn't spring on a 5 dollar deposit: EBGames usually has quite a few preorders that never bother to show. Just wander by and ask, even without the 5 bucks you might get an upgrade.

[Ivers0803]

This is a great idea, instead of a collectors edition with as they said 20 dollars worth of bonus content they give it to us for free. The one question is why people view this as negative. If they want to make the collectors edition the same price as the game it is a positive thing and should be commended. Alot of games have collectors editions with dlc included Bioware instaed gave it to us for free if we pre order

[In Exile]

iakus wrote...
This is not like Zaed or Shale, which you need to purchase a new copy to obtain. I'm more than happy to pay for a new copy for a game. This is "preorder by a certain date or you can't have this" This is beyond extra weapons or armor, or a soundtrack. This is GAME CONTENT. Big difference.

At any rate, this is not helping Bioware earn back my trust after ME 2, or easing any lingering doubts about DA2. This smacks of forcing people to make a decision. "Preorder the game despite misgivings or miss out on content which we just happen to have been working on at the same time"

There, I've said my piece. All done.

I think what Bioware is saying is that the DLC character is free if you pre-order, whereas it will cost you money as DLC if you wait until release. This is if, unlike Shale, this is a character that is not included in the game. ME2 had the whole deal with Kasumi, too.

ETA:

The advertisement says this:

Contains the full version of Dragon Age II plus $20 of additional
content including:

• A download code for a bonus playable character and missions
• Downloadable game soundtrack
• Exclusive in-game digital armory featuring multiple weapons
• Additional downloadable items

The soundtrack, DLC items, and character are all a combined $20 value. The retail value I found for the DA:O soundtrack is $7.99. If the DLC character costs what Kasumi did, that's another $7.00. So that leaves around a $5.00 value for the DLC items.

If you preorder, depending on where you do it, it may cost you $5.00 (not including shipping on physical copies). If you buy the retail version and get the character via DLC , you would pay a net of $2.00.

I undersand the objection on grounds of principle. Somewhat. But as a raw financial cost over the game, this does not seem to be very much at all.

Modifié par In Exile, 15 octobre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Cigne]

I've been skimming but this thread is moving too fast for me--apologies if it's been mentioned already, but is it confirmed that the extra npc will be playable at launch, or do we just get a code for the dlc when it's ready?

[Girchou]

bjdbwea wrote...

And would you please stop mixing the issue of combating the used games market with the issue of punishing players for not pre-ordering a game.

You write that you believe they're punishing you for not pre-ordering, that is not the case, they are rewarding you for pre-ordering! If you dont pre-order, you get a full version of the game. If you DO then you get a full version of the game plus some extra stuff, you dont need this to play the game!

[bjdbwea]

Girchou wrote...

You write that you believe they're punishing you for not pre-ordering, that is not the case, they are rewarding you for pre-ordering! If you dont pre-order, you get a full version of the game. If you DO then you get a full version of the game plus some extra stuff, you dont need this to play the game!

Either it's the full game, then the additional character is just tacked on (like Zaeed) and can't be very good. Or the character has received the same amount of development time, then it's not the full game without it. So what'll it be? And by your logic, even more content could be cut, as long as you don't "need" it to play the game.

Besides, since most certainly the character was developed alongside the rest of the game, everyone who buys the game also pays in part for the development of said character. But only some will actually get it "for free". If you want to get the content later, you have to pay again. At least that was different with Shale and Zaeed, where everyone who bought the game new could download these DLCs. And while you also had to pay for the Kasumi DLC, it seems very likely that at least some additional work had to be invested after release.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 octobre 2010 - 10:08 .

[ewen]

Don't see why people are getting up set you've got till January to pre order, there'll be loads of info out about the game by then. I was always getting the game anyway so free stuff works for me.

[Morroian]

bjdbwea wrote...

Either it's the full game, then the additional character is just tacked on (like Zaeed) and can't be very good. Or the character has received the same amount of development time, then it's not the full game without it. So what'll it be? And by your logic, even more content could be cut, as long as you don't "need" it to play the game.

Shalew was a good character but her not being in the game wasn't the difference between a great game and a poor or incomplete game.

[Veex]

Cigne wrote...

I've been skimming but this thread is moving too fast for me--apologies if it's been mentioned already, but is it confirmed that the extra npc will be playable at launch, or do we just get a code for the dlc when it's ready?

That was a typo in the release. The extra character is a companion, not another playable character.

[bjdbwea]

Morroian wrote...

Shalew was a good character but her not being in the game wasn't the difference between a great game and a poor or incomplete game.

I didn't find the character very interesting. So if the additional character in DA 2 is similar, then I wouldn't really mind if that character isn't in my game. But we don't know that yet.

The principle remains in any case. Consider this: These are all small steps, but in a certain direction. What if next time the character cut out of the game is a potential LI? Does it still not matter? What if you can only get the best ending to the game if you pre-order it? You think that can't happen? We thought that about numerous things that this industry came up with in the last few years. This trend will only continue if the customers just accept each of these steps.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 octobre 2010 - 10:26 .

[Nerevar-as]

bjdbwea wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Shalew was a good character but her not being in the game wasn't the difference between a great game and a poor or incomplete game.

I found the character not very interesting, and I wouldn't miss her. So if the additional character in DA 2 is similar, then I wouldn't really mind if that character isn't in my game. But we don't know that yet.

The principle remains in any case. Consider this: These are all small steps, but in a certain direction. What if next time the character cut out of the game is a potential LI? Does it still not matter? What if you can only get the best ending to the game if you pre-order it? You think that can't happen? We thought that about numerous things that this industry came up with in the last few years. This trend will only continue if the customers just accept each of these steps.

Didn´t AC2 cut a few chapters for DLC? And there are games where DLC are just unlock codes. Just don´t get why anyone accepts this trend.