967 réponses à ce sujet

[Beerfish]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...



*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

And we all know how you come off more than half the time on these forums.  The antithesis of a shill.

[upsettingshorts]

slimgrin wrote...

Would anyone feel like a chump if they pre-ordered and the game was complete crap? Or would they say 'well thats just how it goes in a free market'.

I'd feel both.  Caveat emptor.

Then the next time a Bioware game came along, I wouldn't pre-order. 

[Merced256]

slimgrin wrote...

Would anyone feel like a chump if they pre-ordered and the game was complete crap? Or would they say 'well thats just how it goes in a free market'.

I'd personally wear that **** eating grin with pride. :innocent:

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

You seriously read that as pro-EA/Bioware? 

You're lecturing people on the merits of prebuying vs waiting on reviews, without even considering that content ready 5 months before release, regardless who completed it, (main team or DLC team) will be withheld unless people preorder by a certain date. I'm sorry it kinda comes off a tad pro Bioware. Not that it was intentional I'm sure.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Beerfish wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...



*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

And we all know how you come off more than half the time on these forums.  The antithesis of a shill.

Well hello there captain obvious.

[upsettingshorts]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

You're lecturing people on the merits of prebuying vs waiting on reviews, without even considering that content ready 5 months before release, regardless who completed it, (main team or DLC team) will be withheld unless people preorder by a certain date.

That's not what I'm lecturing people about.  If I'm lecturing it is to say that it is their decision to make.  You've made yours, and from what I can tell you've made it reasonably and thoughtfully.  In fact, I don't see how your position differs from my Side B at all.

I'm not advocating pre-ordering in my posts.  I'm advocating consumer choice.

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
I'm sorry it kinda comes off a tad pro Bioware. Not that it was intentional I'm sure.

If your position is that any position that refuses to ackowledge that this is some kind of unethical swindle on the part of Bioware, then yes, I could see how you could arrive at that conclusion. 

[The Masked Rog]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

You seriously read that as pro-EA/Bioware? 

You're lecturing people on the merits of prebuying vs waiting on reviews, without even considering that content ready 5 months before release, regardless who completed it, (main team or DLC team) will be withheld unless people preorder by a certain date. I'm sorry it kinda comes off a tad pro Bioware. Not that it was intentional I'm sure.

Mind linking? That would be interesting. Means they produced two products and offer the two for the price of the most expensive if people blindingly buy it.

[ErichHartmann]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Would anyone feel like a chump if they pre-ordered and the game was complete crap? Or would they say 'well thats just how it goes in a free market'.

I'd feel both.  Caveat emptor.

Then the next time a Bioware game came along, I wouldn't pre-order. 

From Baldur's Gate to now, I haven't been disappointed yet. Yeah, BioWare is the only company I'll blind buy from.  Everyone else goes through a lot of scrutiny before I make a decision.  

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

The Masked Rog wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

You seriously read that as pro-EA/Bioware? 

You're lecturing people on the merits of prebuying vs waiting on reviews, without even considering that content ready 5 months before release, regardless who completed it, (main team or DLC team) will be withheld unless people preorder by a certain date. I'm sorry it kinda comes off a tad pro Bioware. Not that it was intentional I'm sure.

Mind linking? That would be interesting. Means they produced two products and offer the two for the price of the most expensive if people blindingly buy it.

http://www.ebgames.c...roduct_ID=78400  

Note This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available to those who pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now!

[The Masked Rog]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

You seriously read that as pro-EA/Bioware? 

You're lecturing people on the merits of prebuying vs waiting on reviews, without even considering that content ready 5 months before release, regardless who completed it, (main team or DLC team) will be withheld unless people preorder by a certain date. I'm sorry it kinda comes off a tad pro Bioware. Not that it was intentional I'm sure.

Mind linking? That would be interesting. Means they produced two products and offer the two for the price of the most expensive if people blindingly buy it.

http://www.ebgames.c...roduct_ID=78400  

Note This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available to those who pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now!

Not that. I asked a link that proved that the DLC is completed. Not that you didn't know that.

[AngryFrozenWater]

slimgrin wrote...

Would anyone feel like a chump if they pre-ordered and the game was complete crap? Or would they say 'well thats just how it goes in a free market'.

I know the odds of this happening with a Bioware game are slim, but it does happen with other companies, hence the criticism of pre-ordering in general.

In this case even more so, because this special version's closing date is well before the release date. More information about the game will be made public after that. That's my main problem with it. There won't be much info to base your decision on.

[upsettingshorts]

The Masked Rog wrote...
Not that. I asked a link that proved that the DLC is completed. Not that you didn't know that.

Gaider and Epler have independently confirmed that DLC is planned and developed along a different path.  It is always planned as DLC, and may (in this case) or may not be ready at launch.   That is how their DLC model works, in that it is extra - it has its own budget and team, and is developed in addition to the main game - and as such is not hamstrung by the primary development process' deadlines.

So the bonus character is, if not completed, intends to be by the time the game ships. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 octobre 2010 - 06:01 .

[ladydesire]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

You seriously read that as pro-EA/Bioware? 

You're lecturing people on the merits of prebuying vs waiting on reviews, without even considering that content ready 5 months before release, regardless who completed it, (main team or DLC team) will be withheld unless people preorder by a certain date. I'm sorry it kinda comes off a tad pro Bioware. Not that it was intentional I'm sure.

We don't know that the companion is in fact completed at this time; we only know that there will be one available at the time of release.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

The Masked Rog wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

You seriously read that as pro-EA/Bioware? 

You're lecturing people on the merits of prebuying vs waiting on reviews, without even considering that content ready 5 months before release, regardless who completed it, (main team or DLC team) will be withheld unless people preorder by a certain date. I'm sorry it kinda comes off a tad pro Bioware. Not that it was intentional I'm sure.

Mind linking? That would be interesting. Means they produced two products and offer the two for the price of the most expensive if people blindingly buy it.

http://www.ebgames.c...roduct_ID=78400  

Note This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available to those who pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now!

Not that. I asked a link that proved that the DLC is completed. Not that you didn't know that.

What difference does that make, it was announced 5 months before release and will only be available up until 2 months before the game ships. I would imagine its either already done, or they're damn sure it'll be on the disk or available for download day 1. 

Its shady marketing, I don't care if its Bioware, Activision or whoever else, this new business tactic in the industry to push presales and milk a game post release is all around terrible, especially when the DLC most times ends up being not very good to begin with.

This is why we don't see many full fledged feature rich expansion packs anymore.

Modifié par CoS Sarah Jinstar, 16 octobre 2010 - 06:03 .

[nightcobra]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Would anyone feel like a chump if they pre-ordered and the game was complete crap? Or would they say 'well thats just how it goes in a free market'.

I know the odds of this happening with a Bioware game are slim, but it does happen with other companies, hence the criticism of pre-ordering in general.

In this case even more so, because this special version's closing date is well before the release date. More information about the game will be made public after that. That's my main problem with it. There won't be much info to base your decision on.

it all depends on how much more info/screens/videos we get until the new year really, i'm hoping for a few official gameplay videos by then but that's my viewpoint on it.

[upsettingshorts]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
it all depends on how much more info/screens/videos we get until the new year really, i'm hoping for a few official gameplay videos by then but that's my viewpoint on it.

Heck I'm the so-called Bioware shill but even I'm not going to make a decision until we're much closer to the deadline.  I can't think of a logical reason not to wait until then.

It's not like pre-ordering it sooner will get the game here faster.  I've got New Vegas and Football Manager 2011 coming out in the next couple weeks, I'll be fine.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 octobre 2010 - 06:05 .

[The Masked Rog]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

You seriously read that as pro-EA/Bioware? 

You're lecturing people on the merits of prebuying vs waiting on reviews, without even considering that content ready 5 months before release, regardless who completed it, (main team or DLC team) will be withheld unless people preorder by a certain date. I'm sorry it kinda comes off a tad pro Bioware. Not that it was intentional I'm sure.

Mind linking? That would be interesting. Means they produced two products and offer the two for the price of the most expensive if people blindingly buy it.

http://www.ebgames.c...roduct_ID=78400  

Note This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available to those who pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now!

Not that. I asked a link that proved that the DLC is completed. Not that you didn't know that.

What difference does that make, it was announced 5 months before release and will only be available up until 2 months before the game ships. I would imagine its either already done, or they're damn sure it'll be on the disk or available for download day 1. 

Its shady marketing, I don't care if its Bioware, Activision or whoever else, this new business tactic in the industry to push presales and milk a game post release is all around terrible, especially when the DLC most times ends up being not very good to begin with.

This is why we don't see many full fledged feature rich expansion packs anymore.

I don't see how offering a free product for people who preorder another is shady marketing. You are in no way entitled to get the extra character for free. It is their choice to offer it to you under certain circumstances.

[errant_knight]

In concept, I don't find the additional character as being any different than the fact that Shale was offered as DLC, but I don't know if you could get Shale in a package closer to release date, or not. What I noticed about this was both how early you had to order to get it, and just how much loot they're offering for you to do so, but I can't really draw any conclusions since I don't know how that compares to the Origins preorder package.



I do know that given how significantly they're changing the game, I won't be preordering at any time, whereas if there was not the interface change (dialogue wheel, etc.), and such seemingly significant changes in style and gameplay, I wouldn't have hesitated to preorder for a moment. But if you change a game this much, you can't really expect people to preorder based on their love of the previous game.

[upsettingshorts]

It is logical to speculate that the Bonus Character is part of EA's "Project Ten Dollar" and it very well may be, but we won't know and it certainly isn't in their best interests to tell us until release.

[Bruno Hslaw]

It all boils down to the fact they are scared at BW that we will not buy this possibly crappy version of DA when we find out how bad it is.

That is the only reason they make it a case of preorder now and buy it to see what its like rather than make it only exclusive to a new purchase. If this was a bonus for buying new they would not need to use the preorder scam to make you buy a game blind. They get the same cash if you buy it a week after release so why else use this shifty trick. Are we not a loyal cash paying fan a week later??

Simply put they are worried a week later you may not buy at all. That in itself should worry potential buyers. But if folk want to be fleeced good on them. They obviously need to throw their money away.

NOW how is my money worth less later??? Simple it aint therefore there motive is to scam people into buying a pig in a poke.

Modifié par Bruno Hslaw, 16 octobre 2010 - 06:12 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

The Masked Rog wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
*shakes head* Shesh AngryPants, you really do come off like a shill half the time.

You seriously read that as pro-EA/Bioware? 

You're lecturing people on the merits of prebuying vs waiting on reviews, without even considering that content ready 5 months before release, regardless who completed it, (main team or DLC team) will be withheld unless people preorder by a certain date. I'm sorry it kinda comes off a tad pro Bioware. Not that it was intentional I'm sure.

Mind linking? That would be interesting. Means they produced two products and offer the two for the price of the most expensive if people blindingly buy it.

http://www.ebgames.c...roduct_ID=78400  

Note This special edition version of Dragon Age II is only available to those who pre-order before January 11, so pre-order now!

Not that. I asked a link that proved that the DLC is completed. Not that you didn't know that.

What difference does that make, it was announced 5 months before release and will only be available up until 2 months before the game ships. I would imagine its either already done, or they're damn sure it'll be on the disk or available for download day 1. 

Its shady marketing, I don't care if its Bioware, Activision or whoever else, this new business tactic in the industry to push presales and milk a game post release is all around terrible, especially when the DLC most times ends up being not very good to begin with.

This is why we don't see many full fledged feature rich expansion packs anymore.

I don't see how offering a free product for people who preorder another is shady marketing. You are in no way entitled to get the extra character for free. It is their choice to offer it to you under certain circumstances.

Never said I was entitled to anything. I think you completely missed the point I was trying to make. RTO wasn't worth the money, Witch Hunt most certainly wasn't worth the money especially the way it was marketed as getting "answers" when none were given, it would have been far nicer had we gotten a full fledged expansion pack that was fully fleshed out and didn't feel like a rush job ala Awakening is what I was getting at.

[Saibh]

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

It all boils down to the fact they are scared at BW that we will not buy this possibly crappy version of DA when we find out how bad it is.

That is the only reason they make it a case of preorder now and buy it to see what its like rather than make it only exclusive to a new purchase. If this was a bonus for buying new they would not need to use the preorder scam to make you buy a game blind. They get the same cash if you buy it a week after release so why else use this shifty trick. Are we not a loyal cash paying fan a week later??

Simply put they are worried a week later you may not buy at all. That in itself should worry potential buyers. But if folk want to be fleeced good on them. They obviously need to throw their money away.

NOW how is my money later??? Simple it aint therefore there motive is to scam people into buying a pig in a poke.

I can cancel my preorder right up until it ships to me. Meaning, if reviews start pouring in with mediocre or terrible scores, I don't have to pay.