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[ladydesire]

bjdbwea wrote...
Of course BioWare could easily have said so.

Bioware doesn't handle marketing and distribution; EA does.

[bjdbwea]

Okay, then EA could have said so. Or BioWare could have kindly asked for permission to clarify the matter. It's a questionable scheme in any case.

[Blastback]

Okay, I'm curious, is the bonus companion totally exclusive to the pre-order, or can people who buy the game normally get the charater as DLC by paying extra?



Personally, I don't really have anything against giving bonus content to players who pre-order.

[SgtElias]

aidron wrote...
If you believe you should be allowed to wait until all the reviews out and are then entitled to it: too bad. You can't have the benefits of both choices. You have just have to trust you'll make the best choice for you and let the darkspawn fall where they will. . .

 . . . I would prefer that every cent I spend on the game go directly to the company rather than to a retail chain for a used copy. The retail chain did nothing for me. In fact their employees are usually rude, self-righteous bigots who glare at me for even daring to pick up an RPG rather than some first person shooter. The game designers, however, did do something for me.

This. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

[nightcobra]

Blastback wrote...

Okay, I'm curious, is the bonus companion totally exclusive to the pre-order, or can people who buy the game normally get the charater as DLC by paying extra?

Personally, I don't really have anything against giving bonus content to players who pre-order.

nothing confirmed right now, but i'm betting this new character will be available as shale was in origins

[ccrider183]

Why write a sob story on some forum board? Do like me: buy used (preferrably from a private 3rd party). That way, you still enjoy the product without throwing money at the publ/devs.



That's one of (if not THE) reason why pre-order bonuses and "new retail" bonuses are used so much today.

[Saibh]

ccrider183 wrote...

Why write a sob story on some forum board? Do like me: buy used (preferrably from a private 3rd party). That way, you still enjoy the product without throwing money at the publ/devs.

That's one of (if not THE) reason why pre-order bonuses and "new retail" bonuses are used so much today.

...Because they would like to make a profit from the game that they created? This is evil?

[ccrider183]

Saibh wrote...

ccrider183 wrote...

Why write a sob story on some forum board? Do like me: buy used (preferrably from a private 3rd party). That way, you still enjoy the product without throwing money at the publ/devs.

That's one of (if not THE) reason why pre-order bonuses and "new retail" bonuses are used so much today.

...Because they would like to make a profit from the game that they created? This is evil?

Of course, and no it is not.  It is business.  I was just pointing it out for the TC.  Money talks, unlike a message board rant.  I wasn't criticizing Bioware for offering pre-order bonuses. 

[AlanC9]

bjdbwea wrote...


That might indeed be an indication that the additional character and missions could be included in every new game. And that's pretty much all I for one am asking for, because I couldn't care less about some items that are usually overpowered anyway, ..

So as long as Bio's only giving out stuff to preorderers that you find worthless, you don't have a problem?

Well and good. But isn't bundling stuff that people want in the preorder kind of, you know, the point? If there's no incentive to buy the preorder, what's the stuff for?

[bjdbwea]

AlanC9 wrote...

So as long as Bio's only giving out stuff to preorderers that you find worthless, you don't have a problem?

Pretty much, yes. As I said, I don't care about some items. That's been done for quite some time now, that some digital items were given as bonuses. And even though I find especially all these different items only available from specific stores ridiculous, I don't really care about them. I do care about "real" content like companions or missions. I would not mind if such content would be developed for a collector's edition. When that edition costs more, it covers the costs for the production of that content. So then indeed, everyone has a choice to buy or not buy that. But to withhold content and only make it available to those who pre-order the game, even though everyone who buys the game new pays for the production of said content, that's a whole new different matter.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 17 octobre 2010 - 02:00 .

[Dave of Canada]

bjdbwea wrote...

But to withhold content and only make it available to those who pre-order the game, even though everyone who buys the game new pays for the production of said content, that's a whole new different matter.

It's not withheld content.

[Sir JK]

Indeed, to echo Dave for clarification and emphasis:



The DLC character is a separate product.

Made using a separate budget. A separate timetable. A separate team. The only thing it has in common with DA2 is that it requires the game to be used. If it was "originally in the game" it was cut because of lack of time and resources and then salvaged by the DLC team.



It was never withheld. Nor is it now. It is just offered as an incentive. Nothing has ever stated that you would recieve this if it was not offered as part of the promotional offer. Most likely, if it wasn't the character would never exist.

[Daerog]

The Signature Edition is the Collector's Edition. Except it is not physically limited and priced the same as the usual product. It would be harder to get if it was a physically limited Collector's Edition, because it would likely all be sold out before January 11th.

[Jimmy Fury]

bjdbwea wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

So as long as Bio's only giving out stuff to preorderers that you find worthless, you don't have a problem?

Pretty much, yes. As I said, I don't care about some items. That's been done for quite some time now, that some digital items were given as bonuses. And even though I find especially all these different items only available from specific stores ridiculous, I don't really care about them. I do care about "real" content like companions or missions. I would not mind if such content would be developed for a collector's edition. When that edition costs more, it covers the costs for the production of that content. So then indeed, everyone has a choice to buy or not buy that. But to withhold content and only make it available to those who pre-order the game, even though everyone who buys the game new pays for the production of said content, that's a whole new different matter.

Fine then here's the secret.
Not everyone who buys the game new pays for the content. See they set it up so that the DLC team only gets paid if a certain number of SE's are preordered. If the don't make quota they're taken down to the kitchen and baked into pies. Chris Priestly then invites the collective mothers of all of the DLC team members over for a grand feast, slays Mary Kirby so she won't have to live with her shame, feeds the pies to the mothers, and is then killed himself by Gaider.
It will all be extremely terrible.
Is that what you want!?


(edit- and if nobody gets that reference I will be endlessly disappointed with the entire bioware community.)

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:41 .

[AlanC9]

bjdbwea wrote...
But to withhold content and only make it available to those who pre-order the game, even though everyone who buys the game new pays for the production of said content, that's a whole new different matter.

This strikes me as fundamentally confused. We don't pay for the content, EA does. We then choose whether or not to buy some portion of that content from them. Furthermore, a preorder customer typically does pay more than even an early regular customer. I usually see discounts of 10% or so within the first month of release, sometimes only a week after release.

Anyway, I'd be stunned if EA actually limits the content to only preorder customers. That's leaving money on the table, since surely there are some folks who would buy it as a paid DLC even if they didn't preorder.

[Knightstar2001]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

So as long as Bio's only giving out stuff to preorderers that you find worthless, you don't have a problem?

Pretty much, yes. As I said, I don't care about some items. That's been done for quite some time now, that some digital items were given as bonuses. And even though I find especially all these different items only available from specific stores ridiculous, I don't really care about them. I do care about "real" content like companions or missions. I would not mind if such content would be developed for a collector's edition. When that edition costs more, it covers the costs for the production of that content. So then indeed, everyone has a choice to buy or not buy that. But to withhold content and only make it available to those who pre-order the game, even though everyone who buys the game new pays for the production of said content, that's a whole new different matter.

Fine then here's the secret.
Not everyone who buys the game new pays for the content. See they set it up so that the DLC team only gets paid if a certain number of SE's are preordered. If the don't make quota they're taken down to the kitchen and baked into pies. Chris Priestly then invites the collective mothers of all of the DLC team members over for a grand feast, slays Mary Kirby so she won't have to live with her shame, feeds the pies to the mothers, and is then killed himself by Gaider.
It will all be extremely terrible.
Is that what you want!?

this made me laugh, but I wouldn't be suprised if after Jan 11 a collector's edition is made availble with maybe a different case and you will have to pay the 20 dollars difference between it and the Standard edtion while those of us who pre-ordered by the deadline are getting that additional content free.
After that people will likely complain that they should be given that content free like the ones who did pre-order regardless of the fact that they decided to wait no matter what their reason for waiting was.
I do find the title of the thread to be misleading. So the OP believes that if they are not getting that Bonus character and the missions it comes with,that the game they play is not the complete game? So should I belive that I am playing a incomplete game if I don't have Shale,Warden's Keep or any other DLC that comes with a story that expands the universe of Dragon Age?
If you really believe the bonus character is required to have a complete game, you are pretty much stuck with 2 options. Pre-order the game before the deadline and get the character, hope that they are just doing a Shale and that you will be either able to get it with any new copy of the game or Download it for X amount of points on the Market. 
But I hope those that decide not to take advantage(and by that I mean they could have,but made the choice not to) of this deal Bioware is doing have come to terms with any possible regrets that choice may bring.

[SirGladiator]

This is the first I'd heard of the new Signature Edition, it seems pretty awesome! I like that they're giving away all this cool stuff to their most loyal customers. The idea of anybody being against that just strikes me as bizarre, I'm glad Bioware is more generous than a few folks seem to want them to be! I'll definitely be sure to pre-order and take advantage of this awesome deal! A big thank you to Bioware for valuing their loyal fans!

[LarryDavid]

bjdbwea wrote...
The main question is, how much are the customers willing to accept until they say "enough"? I don't mind the armors and weapons as a bonus. Especially not if mods can easily add tons of that stuff to the game anyway. I also don't mind DLCs that are developed and sold after release. But cutting a whole companion out of the game, and then only giving that "for free" to people who agree to buy the cat in the bag, that goes too far. What's next, I wonder.

Who is John Galt?

[Saibh]

LarryDavid wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...
The main question is, how much are the customers willing to accept until they say "enough"? I don't mind the armors and weapons as a bonus. Especially not if mods can easily add tons of that stuff to the game anyway. I also don't mind DLCs that are developed and sold after release. But cutting a whole companion out of the game, and then only giving that "for free" to people who agree to buy the cat in the bag, that goes too far. What's next, I wonder.

Who is John Galt?

Who is John Galt? It deserves to be repeated.

Modifié par Saibh, 17 octobre 2010 - 06:41 .

[Daerog]

John Galt

For those who don't know, because I didn't.

[mellifera]

Hahaha, what is going on here?

[Therion942]

Ah yes. DLC, the act of purposely withholding content already shipped on a game disc only to sell it to you again at a later date.



It's actually not so evil when it's used to finish an unfinished game. That's why you don't buy games new when they first come out, just wait for the inevitable ultimate edition with all the bugfixes and unfinished content seamed right in.

[upsettingshorts]

Therion942 wrote...

Ah yes. DLC, the act of purposely withholding content

Ah yes.  Begging the question, undoubtedly my favorite fallacy.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 octobre 2010 - 07:10 .

[TheMufflon]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ah yes.  Begging the question, undoubtedly my favorite fallacy.

Eugh. That Wikipedia article is horrible. It does a terrible job of explaining the fallacy.

[upsettingshorts]

TheMufflon wrote...
Eugh. That Wikipedia article is horrible.

Yeah, but it's convenient.

Edit: After doing some Googling I was too lazy to do before, this site is much much better.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 octobre 2010 - 07:42 .