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[Dave of Canada]

Therion942 wrote...

Oh. Really? Who said that, can I get a source at least? I'll gladly pack up my bat-toolbet in the batmobile and be on my way.

There's a few Gaider quotes that were linked / mentioned a page or two back.

Also...
Resident Evil 5 had the Versus mode locked with on disc, I won't die that. However, that's Capcom. When looking at the file size, you saw it was 2MB. That's a big hint that it's not DLC, when comparing that to the other pieces of DLC however there's a fairly noticable difference in size (off the top of my head, I think Zaeed is around 400-500MB and Shale is around 200-300MB).

Shale wasn't even supposed to be made (it was cut content), it was created after Origins was delayed.

[Dave of Canada]

Sir JK wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
...if the character and quests (gee sounds a bit like shale eh?) are done 5+ months til ship, put it on the disc...

Again, deadlines. 5 months sounds a lot, but out of those 5 months 1 month is for reviews (game must be completely finished), 2-3 months testing (only bug fixing allowed) and 1+ month of polishing. Most likely content lock has already happened or happens any day now. In order to put the character on the disc all those have pushed, causing the entire game to be delayed.
Not to mention that putting it on the disc will cost money.

DLC is easier to test and doesn't have to be reviewed... the character might not be finished yet (but they know they will finish before release, so they announce it).

It isn't like packing a bag... it's far more complex and a lot more expensive.

+ It's probably taking from the DLC funds instead of the main game funds.

Edit: Going to bed. See ya.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 17 octobre 2010 - 08:26 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
The idea that Bioware is somehow throwing you a bone for being "loyal" though is pretty eye roll worthy.

Not if you remember what loyality implies.  Considering that many of the critics of this move are claiming that this encourages "blind faith" I'd say it's actually totally reasonable to say that.

I'd argue that the faith isn't blind, but the fact is that it does require trust - and Bioware's bone throwing is intended to reward that trust. 

Doesn't mean it can't possibly turn out that the trust was misplaced and DA:2 turns out to be a disaster.  But that's how trust works.

Thats exactly what faith in anything is. Blind, be it religion or anything else. Rebranding a marketing ploy something else just to make a few fanboys think you give a crap, doesnt' make it so. But if it makes you feel better to think that way, by all means.

[Burdokva]

David Gaider wrote...

If you're not, then pre-order the game. And if you do, you'll receive a bonus as a "thank you".

As for how people can get access to that bonus (or if they can) when they don't pre-order, you'll have to wait and see. I don't know when we're putting out that information.

But I guess there will be people who will want the best of both worlds, regardless, and will rail against the very idea of DLC no matter what we say-- because we are, heaven forbid, putting out content that other people are willing to pay for. And them paying for it means you don't get it for free (or don't get it at all, which would normally have been the case in the past, though you wouldn't have known it was ever considered either and ignorance is usally bliss).

You know guys, this is the second time I feel completely f---- up by those "thank you" bonuses. They're more like "spit on you, ----- customer who doesn't live in a selected country". Please explain to me why I can't preorder the Signature Edition because of my geographical location?

It was already insulting enough when I had to file a complaint to EA because they didn't send me preorder DLCs for my Mass Effect 2 CE copy; they just didn't know my country would need them, how fun! I'm apparently a savage without Internet, too stupid to know these things exist!

Bonuses are fine when they are truly "thank you" to all fans, not just a way to milk money from some of them. Why should I preorder something only to pay more and them fork out even more cash to get (overpriced for my currency) DLCs that I should have got for free with preorder?

Seriously, if I eventually decide to preorder DAII for Christmas, something I contemplated upon seeing the Signature Edition (befre seeing the eligible countries list, that is), and I do not receive the bonus stuff that other people do, I'll torrent them. Think about that whatever you wish, but I'm tired of companies like EA constantly f---- me as a customer because I live in a country with a small gaming market... and a good incentive for it to remain such.

Yeah, rant over. Move along, I don't expect a reply to this anyway.

[nightcobra]

Burdokva wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

If you're not, then pre-order the game. And if you do, you'll receive a bonus as a "thank you".

As for how people can get access to that bonus (or if they can) when they don't pre-order, you'll have to wait and see. I don't know when we're putting out that information.

But I guess there will be people who will want the best of both worlds, regardless, and will rail against the very idea of DLC no matter what we say-- because we are, heaven forbid, putting out content that other people are willing to pay for. And them paying for it means you don't get it for free (or don't get it at all, which would normally have been the case in the past, though you wouldn't have known it was ever considered either and ignorance is usally bliss).

You know guys, this is the second time I feel completely f---- up by those "thank you" bonuses. They're more like "spit on you, ----- customer who doesn't live in a selected country". Please explain to me why I can't preorder the Signature Edition because of my geographical location?

It was already insulting enough when I had to file a complaint to EA because they didn't send me preorder DLCs for my Mass Effect 2 CE copy; they just didn't know my country would need them, how fun! I'm apparently a savage without Internet, too stupid to know these things exist!

Bonuses are fine when they are truly "thank you" to all fans, not just a way to milk money from some of them. Why should I preorder something only to pay more and them fork out even more cash to get (overpriced for my currency) DLCs that I should have got for free with preorder?

Seriously, if I eventually decide to preorder DAII for Christmas, something I contemplated upon seeing the Signature Edition (befre seeing the eligible countries list, that is), and I do not receive the bonus stuff that other people do, I'll torrent them. Think about that whatever you wish, but I'm tired of companies like EA constantly f---- me as a customer because I live in a country with a small gaming market... and a good incentive for it to remain such.

Yeah, rant over. Move along, I don't expect a reply to this anyway.

my country isn't listed in there as well, but that doesn't stop me from being able to pre order the uk version from amazon, and at a cheaper price than what i would have to pay from retail in my local store so it's all good.
however if i don't like what i see i can always cancel the preorder for no cost so no problem there as well

[upsettingshorts]

International distribution is an entirely different can of worms than arguing over the relative merits of reserve incentives.

[LarryDavid]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

John Galt

For those who don't know, because I didn't.

It is a shame that most people don't read "Atlas Shrugged", which is needed to grasp my answer. This book considers a world where most people find men who work only for their own benefit immoral. A world where people demand that men with talent should act according to what is best for the greater good, and thus think they have right on things they didn't earn. A world where the most important virtue, the persuit of your own hapiness, is damned. The book is now about what would happen if those "immoral" men would go on a strike.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

Trintrin86 wrote...

I haven't read through the entire thread, so forgive me if this is already addressed but has it been pointed out that you can pre-order to take advantage of the promotion then cancel whenever the heck you want if you decide that you don't really want the darn thing?

"Order early and get.." promotions have been around forever. Geeze.

This however says buy blind before seeing the finished product. Not cancel if not impressed.

If it is crap you will not know until you have bought it. People go on about Shale DLC well at least you could get that a week later than release day having seen and played the game seeing a few positive gamer reviews. This avoids all that making sure they get paid up front before the game is verified.

If they were so sure of their game why try and force us to buy blind. Smells off IMO. Why insist you have to buy before you try if it is so great??

First and foremost. No one is forcing you to do anything.
Secondly, like trintrin said this is nothing new. Contrary to what you seem to think "order early and get..." is the exact same thing as "buy bling before seeing the finished product". It always has been and always will be.

And last but not least, if you don't like trintrin's suggetion, how about  using a bit of patience and not opening your preorder?
That's my plan.
See i'm in the crappy position of having a dealbreaker that I won't know about until after the game is released. At the same time i'm a loot wh*re and wants me some preorder bonuses and SE goodies.
But I'm also patient. All I have to do is not open my preorder and wait to find out about my dealbreaker. If they do what I fear then I can take my unopened game back to Gamestop and get a full refund.

Pretty sure we're thinking about the same dealbreaker. Still, I can't be arsed pre-ordering/cancelling preorders etc.

[Esbatty]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Anarya wrote...

PureMethodActor wrote...

Ok I'm sorry I haven't read all the posts, especially if my question has been answered, but this caught my eye on the profile newsfeed.

By any chance, does anyone here know the specifics of said companion exclusive to the DA2 Collector's Edition? I'm just curious.

No, we don't know anything about the companion other than that it is a party member and will be in the Signature Edition.

Ahh ok. Well I hope, as stupid a fear as this may be, that the extra character isn't a left-out romance option for those who don't pre-order for the LIMITED edition (got it right this time )

Oh man that'd be damn rough if it was to turn out like that... and watch it have been an female elf love interest, too. There'd be rage and mad dashes to eBay.

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

27 pages. The marketing team are probably throwing a party right now. Come on guys, we can deny them this.

Modifié par The Hardest Thing In The World, 17 octobre 2010 - 10:29 .

[Nerevar-as]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

27 pages. The marketing team are probably throwing a party right now. Come on guys, we can deny them this.

Then they follow the - as long as they talk about it, it doesn´t matter whether it´s good or bad talk - thing, which is quite likely considering DA2 marketing so far.

And why are some people afraid of the DLC being whitheld? They aren´t going to say it´s worth 20$ if it´s only available for pre-order. That´s not the worrying points here.

[Tiax Rules All]

Thread.. needs.. pictures...



She is worth the preorder

[DragonRageGT]

Hope this helps people with doubts about the bonuses for their geographic location.

RageGT
9:59 AM 2010-10-15
Can you check this for me please?

If I try to pre-order DA2, it takes me to EA Store Brazil, which has it for pre-order alright. It is the digital version and I can choose the language among a few options.

I'm pretty sure it's the European version as the actual seller would be EA Swiss, since EA Brazil doesn't actually handle the sales, just kind intermediate them on behalf of EA Swiss.

Now, it doesn't say Brazil in the DA2 pre-order information about the bonuses for pre-order. Can you please check and confirm if I will be entitled for those bonuses if I pre-order from EA Brazil/EA Swiss?

Thank you!

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BW GUY
12:59 PM 2010-10-15

The bonuses are the same for all countries, so it does not matter which version you get, except for your preference in language. =)

[Eternal Phoenix]

Lady light doorbell wrote...



I beg to differ

Ultimate Dragon Age experience? What is the Dragon Age: Ultimate Edition then? 
Anyway; I'll be getting DAII when it is cheap. Or maybe when they release a Ultimate edition for that too! I have plenty of games to play past March and beyond. 

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 17 octobre 2010 - 12:30 .

[In Exile]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Right, it's withheld to get you to prepay months in advanced. I have no doubt in my mind the "bonus character" is part of project 10 dollar. The items, prolly not. At any rate its just an excuse to justify pushing preorders. Which everyone is doing this days anyway. That doesn't mean one needs to like it, and praise it that EAWare is jumping aboard the pre order bonus item bandwagon.

No, Project 10 dollar has to do with content withheld from the physical disk to reduce 2nd-hand sales of video-games. It has nothing to do with pre-ordering; it is about only purchasing the full version, whenever you choose to purchase it.

[In Exile]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

I personally find no fault in giving extras to those that pre-order. That was done long before DLC became popular.  The only thing in the "Signature Edition" I quesiton is the chacter and mission.  I think it would not be reasonable to make the new character and mission available as DLC for everyone, just giving pre-orders it free as a bonus.  The extra weapons/armor can stay exclusive, because as I said on the more official post on this topic, there is still a few DA-O and ME2 items I dont have,like the Inferno Armor that I can't get, that's ok with me. Were I unable to obtain Zaeed in any way, that would be different.

This was done in a far more annoying way for DA:O. The Diginal Deluxe edition can with Warden`s Keep. The physical Collector`s Edition did not. Because I am unwilling and uncomfortable with a variety of aspects of digital distribution, I had to pay extra for the DLC. There are many arguments one could make in reply (i.e. you got other features like the map & case, you had to weight the trade-offs, etc.) but the end result is that with DA:O you had different CE bonuses for different crowds. That was way more annoying than this.

[In Exile]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote..

Either way its sematics, if the character and quests (gee sounds a bit like shale eh?) are done 5+ months til ship, put it on the disc. Rather than dangle it like a carrot to entice people to make a presale. I think we all know even though some don't want to admit it, this was all planned for Project 10 dollar all along and will more than likely be just like Shale eventually annouced as free with all new copies of the game.

The idea that Bioware is somehow throwing you a bone for being "loyal" though is pretty eye roll worthy.

If programming was magic, you might be right. As I tried to explain before, doing something as DLC means an entirely different kind of design than it being on disk. For one, you have the entire time between going gold and release to still work on your DLC and do QA. If, in the worst case scenario, it is not ready by release, you can delay release for a day or two for extra QA.

Video-game design is modular. DLC, even release day DLC, is not integrated with th main content until very late and otherwise developed separately because there is the luxury of always being able to release it.

ETA:

The bone, if it turns out to be that, is that this is has CE features at the non-CE price. I am a consumer that, when buying a game (I do this very rarely - maybe 2-3 purchases a year), I buy the CE. Having a discount on the CE is a major reward - character or no character non-withstanding.

Modifié par In Exile, 17 octobre 2010 - 02:09 .

[Inzhuna]

Isn't the bonus character a Day One DLC? I just don't understand what's the complaining all about. If you pre-order, you get the DLC for free. If you don't pre-order, you'll have to pay for it additionally. Also, who said that the DLC is complete? Maybe it's in the development or even planning still, and they just decided that people who pre-order will get it for free. It's a sweet deal.

[bluewolv1970]

you what would really be a great incentive for pre-order bonus - a version that is not broken upon release - see awakening and witch hunt (which by the way still currently broken for xbox)...

[Nerevar-as]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Lady light doorbell wrote...



I beg to differ

Ultimate Dragon Age experience? What is the Dragon Age: Ultimate Edition then? 
Anyway; I'll be getting DAII when it is cheap. Or maybe when they release a Ultimate edition for that too! I have plenty of games to play past March and beyond. 

AFAIK, the GotY edition won´t bring cloth the map, but it´s unlikely the DLC for SE won´t be in DA2 GotY.

[Lintanis]

Inzhuna wrote...

Isn't the bonus character a Day One DLC? I just don't understand what's the complaining all about.

Sometimes what some people find easy to grasp takes longer with others 

[DaringMoosejaw]

I just had a thought. What if the 'extra playable character' was actually the Warden? It's terribly, terribly unlikely, but it would be HILARIOUS to see the look on the doomsayers' faces who refuse to pre-order because they're so mad about it. It would be epic.

[kgaustad]

Wow, I am amazed at some of the comments on this thread. The bottom line is you are either going to buy the game and play it or your not. If you are going to "wait and see" because you are not sure why do you even care about the bonuses? I am thrilled about the release of this game and had planned to pre-order it even before the announcement. Bioware could have just scrubbed all of the content that they are including in the signature edition saving manpower and money in doing so. What do they do instead? Spend extra money and manpower to include these items as a bonus for the people that are looking forward to the next installment. They are not withholding anything from anyone. It is your choice to not pre-order and get the extra goodies so why complain? Chances are if you are writing in these forums you like playing or even love playing games put out by Bioware. All of this whining sounds like my son if he does not get the toy he wants when we go to a store. Things are rarely free anymore and the extra content is. Thank you Bioware and EA for giving us extras even though you didn't have to.

[Bruno Hslaw]

kgaustad wrote...

Wow, I am amazed at some of the comments on this thread. The bottom line is you are either going to buy the game and play it or your not. If you are going to "wait and see" because you are not sure why do you even care about the bonuses? I am thrilled about the release of this game and had planned to pre-order it even before the announcement. Bioware could have just scrubbed all of the content that they are including in the signature edition saving manpower and money in doing so. What do they do instead? Spend extra money and manpower to include these items as a bonus for the people that are looking forward to the next installment. They are not withholding anything from anyone. It is your choice to not pre-order and get the extra goodies so why complain? Chances are if you are writing in these forums you like playing or even love playing games put out by Bioware. All of this whining sounds like my son if he does not get the toy he wants when we go to a store. Things are rarely free anymore and the extra content is. Thank you Bioware and EA for giving us extras even though you didn't have to.

Well seeing as many game retailers in many countries have already started charging 20 usd more for this edition of DA2 that would mean we would get nothing free seeing as BW have said it is 20usd worth of content?? While other countries are not allowed to have it (obviously you are only worthy in the right country ) So F them apparently. How nice does this make BW/Mini EA.

Plus on a side note, you need to get a grip of your brat and tell him right from wrong, you must be a terrible parent to raise a spoiled whinner like that.

So we are getting screwed over  twice as much thanks EA.