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[FellowerOfOdin]

Keep in mind that you still have a lot of time before the game actually releases

[bjdbwea]

Wittand25 wrote...

Yes but you have to argue with the marketing department of EA about that. They always market day one DLC like it is only part of the CE even if it is universally available to every new copy sold. And the NPC will be universal or at least purchasable, a DLC companion is way to big and expansive for a fluffy exclusive preorder bonus. I already mentioned several examples of this behaviour in the past by EA and the fact that nowhere on the DA2 site the NPC gets described as exclusive.

As I said before, if the "important" content is going to be included with each newly bought game, then indeed this thread would have been pointless from the beginning. So what, doesn't mean that the complaint wouldn't be valid with the indications available right now. If you are correct though, expect the "but you said it was exclusive" threads. Maybe then I'll remind some of the posters that they aren't supposed to question BioWare and EA.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 octobre 2010 - 02:21 .

[crimzontearz]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Yes they read the forums......they did read them when the whole Shale thing happened....yet here we are again with the same situation in our hands if not worse.
What does that tell you?

It says that two dozen people crying loudly have correctly been balanced against 999,988 other people smirking at you and going back to playing the game.

Learn to do math....1000000-24 (which is two dozens)=999976

Unless for some stupid reason you started with 1000012.

Seriously if you want to be snarky at least try not to appear ignorant while you make the attempt or you are jusr going to send EA the message that their customers are just too dumb to realize when they are being screwed

[upsettingshorts]

crimzontearz wrote...
their customers are just too dumb to realize when they are being screwed

...sigh

[Jimmy Fury]

Sable Phoenix wrote...
The point isn't that the character is available as a DLC. Shale was available as a DLC, and nobody had a problem with her. But unlike Shale, this character is only available for free download via preorder, regardless of whether you have a retail registration code or not. Shale only required a retail code.

bjdbwea wrote...
For example, if each copy sold during the first months contained a code to download at least the additional
character and the missions, and once the price had been reduced, you would have to purchase that content additionally, that would be a whole different matter. In that case, the argument of "rewarding loyal fans"
would be valid. But as it is right now, it's simply a reward for buying the cat in the bag, and indeed it makes me wonder why they would even think that's necessary.

Again.
Nowhere does it say that.
Nowhere.
Not one single place does it say the character and mission are SE or even preorder exclusives.
The one and only place the word exclusive appears is...
"Exclusive in-game digital armory featuring multiple weapons."
That's all.
You have worked yourself up into an epic tizzy over absolutely nothing.

But you'll probably ignore this again.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 18 octobre 2010 - 02:44 .

[bjdbwea]

It is also nowhere said that the other content is not exclusive. It would be easy enough for BioWare and EA to clarify. That they don't, indicates that at least they are quite happy if people assume that all of the content is exclusive. After all, the idea was to create a strong incentive to pre-order the game.

If the assumption is later proven to be wrong, so what. But should it be correct, then the moment to voice disagreement would be now, not when it's already too late.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 18 octobre 2010 - 02:58 .

[Wittand25]

bjdbwea wrote...
As I said before, if the "important" content is going to be included with each newly bought game, then indeed this thread would have been pointless from the beginning. So what, doesn't mean that the complaint wouldn't be valid with the indications available right now. If you are correct though, expect the "but you said it was exclusive" threads. Maybe then I'll remind some of the posters that they aren't supposed to question BioWare and EA.

I fully expect to see threads like those in the future. I saw them with every triple A  EA game that I bought in the last two years. Heck in the Sims3 we even complained enough so that EA eventually gave every owner of the CE another 1000 Simpoints just to shut us up. Come to think of it maybe I should stop mentioning that and wait until the release so that if EA does it again and everyone gets the NPC, they can be bullied and threatened with lawsuits into giving every owner of the SE free Bioware points.

In earnest the complaint is valid, because it is bad marketing and frankly disrespectful to the fans if everyone gets the NPC and unfair to those unable to plan that far ahead into the future if the NPC is exclusive ( even though it was never mentioned that the NPC is exclusive). But complaining here does little good because this policy is made by the EA headquarters and universal to all EA studios and I don´t think that anyone from Bioware would even be able to do anything about it except possibly forwarding the complaints.
If however you want to start a petition directly to EA to reconsider their marketing you can count on my support. The policy to give free DLC to owners of a first hand copy is great, how the marketing handles it however is awful and I would love to see this changed.

[Jimmy Fury]

bjdbwea wrote...
It is also nowhere said that the other content is not exclusive. It would be easy enough for BioWare and EA to clarify. That they don't, indicates that at least they are quite happy if people assume that all of the content is exclusive. After all, the idea was to create a strong incentive to pre-order the game.

If the assumption is later proven to be wrong, so what. But should it be correct, then the moment to voice disagreement would be now, not when it's already too late.

I'm sorry but now you're grasping at very thin straws. If one group of items is clearly marked EXCLUSIVE and another group of items is not, then it is clear what is exclusive and what isn't.
The list of bonus content had the armory in the middle, below the character and soundtrack. It is the only thing in the list that says exclusive.

Contains the full version of Dragon Age II plus $20 of additional content including:

• A download code for a bonus playable character and missions
• Downloadable game soundtrack
• Exclusive in-game digital armory featuring multiple weapons
• Additional downloadable items

So yes, it is utterly obvious that the other content is not exclusive or else the entire list would be labeled exclusive instead of one bullet point on that list. Honestly... nobody labels the unexclusive bits as "Non-exclusive bonus content!"

and.... (this is the really good part)
Both of the euro stores on the official preorder page?
They list the character/mission bonus as "Coupon code to get the Day 1 DLC for free"
So there you go. Day 1 DLC. No clearer way to put it.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 18 octobre 2010 - 03:13 .

[bjdbwea]

So then why not just confirm that the other content will not be exclusive, if it's that simple? That's not the only question here though, I do not doubt that the character and missions will be available for regular download too. But if people who did not pre-order the game have to pay for that content, even if they go into a store to buy the game on release day, then that's still a punishment for not buying the cat in the bag.

[upsettingshorts]

bjdbwea wrote...
a punishment for not buying the cat in the bag.

Nope, it's a reward to loyal customers for their faith. 

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

crimzontearz wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Yes they read the forums......they did read them when the whole Shale thing happened....yet here we are again with the same situation in our hands if not worse.
What does that tell you?

It says that two dozen people crying loudly have correctly been balanced against 999,988 other people smirking at you and going back to playing the game.

Learn to do math....1000000-24 (which is two dozens)=999976

Unless for some stupid reason you started with 1000012.

Seriously if you want to be snarky at least try not to appear ignorant while you make the attempt or you are jusr going to send EA the message that their customers are just too dumb to realize when they are being screwed

Hahah!  I totally pooched the math.  It was early for me!   It show how valid my point is that out of my whole post all you could come up with to refute was a math mistake.

:D:D

[FellowerOfOdin]

bjdbwea wrote...

So then why not just confirm that the other content will not be exclusive, if it's that simple? That's not the only question here though, I do not doubt that the character and missions will be available for regular download too. But if people who did not pre-order the game have to pay for that content, even if they go into a store to buy the game on release day, then that's still a punishment for not buying the cat in the bag.

You actually complain that Bioware / EA give stuff away for free.

Cool.

[bjdbwea]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...
a punishment for not buying the cat in the bag.

Nope, it's a reward to loyal customers for their faith.

I already know that you are convinced of that.

[upsettingshorts]

bjdbwea wrote...
I already know that you are convinced of that.

I am convinced of nothing.  I applied critical thinking and didn't attempt to defend my preconception and minor outrage by repeating the same metaphor about cats.

So, is my definition of loyalty incorrect? If it isn't, how do you justify your position?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 octobre 2010 - 03:57 .

[Dave of Canada]

bjdbwea wrote...

So then why not just confirm that the other content will not be exclusive, if it's that simple?

Because it's entertaining watching people yell that the sky is falling.

[Maconbar]

Actually to get the complete game you would probably need to buy the SE, all DLCs, and any expansions.

[bjdbwea]

Maconbar wrote...

Actually to get the complete game you would probably need to buy the SE, all DLCs, and any expansions.

Or wait for the "ultimate editon", which after all took only about a year for DA. And indeed, I think more and more players will follow this approach if the video games industry continues like this.

[ErichHartmann]

Maconbar wrote...

Actually to get the complete game you would probably need to buy the SE, all DLCs, and any expansions.

Which I am more than happy to do for BioWare. :happy: Other companies are out of luck though.     

[Dave of Canada]

bjdbwea wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Actually to get the complete game you would probably need to buy the SE, all DLCs, and any expansions.

Or wait for the "ultimate editon", which after all took only about a year for DA. And indeed, I think more and more players will follow this approach if the video games industry continues like this.

By this logic, there won't be an Ultimate Edition if nothing from the main game sells.

[Jimmy Fury]

bjdbwea wrote...
So then why not just confirm that the other content will not be exclusive, if it's that simple?

Because, to be quite honest, they don't need to. It's obvious to everyone who isn't intent on complaining about every single little thing. They have no need to coddle every random person who wants to nit-pick every tiny detail of their marketing.

That's not the only question here though, I do not doubt that the character and missions will be available for regular download too. But if people who did not pre-order the game have to pay for that content, even if they go into a store to buy the game on release day, then that's still a punishment for not buying the cat in the bag.

For starters, it's not a punishment. It's a video game. Your life will not be harmed in any way if you don't get some extra content in a game.

Secondly, AGAIN, it doesn't say anything about it being pre-order exclusive. You're basing your entire argument on a flawed assumption that everything in the listing is exclusive to the current ordering option.
Nothing says that. What is exclusive is the Signature Edition and the Signature Edition's Armory.
Everything else may very well be available as advertised on March 8th.
But to claim that it absolutely will or absolutely won't is impossible. We can not see the future.

And since the purpose of a marketing campaign for a preorder is to get people to preorder... Bioware isn't likely to pop up and say "no it's ok you don't have to preorder, you'll still get everything on Day 1 like you did with shale."
It's contrary to the very purpose behind their marketing.

-edit-
And just to clarify. The marketing is under the control of the marketing department. The marketing department is most likely under the control of EA.
The Bioware developers who participate on the boards have no control over the marketing department and no freedom to act contrary to what the marketing department wants. If they did come in and do what you seem to want them to do, they would probably be fired.
It's not a charity or a public service, it's a business. They owe us nothing except a product and they only owe us that if we give them money.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 18 octobre 2010 - 04:29 .

[bjdbwea]

Dave of Canada wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Actually to get the complete game you would probably need to buy the SE, all DLCs, and any expansions.

Or wait for the "ultimate editon", which after all took only about a year for DA. And indeed, I think more and more players will follow this approach if the video games industry continues like this.

By this logic, there won't be an Ultimate Edition if nothing from the main game sells.

And whose fault would that be?

[Dave of Canada]

bjdbwea wrote...

And whose fault would that be?

Players with a large sense of entitlement.

[upsettingshorts]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Players with a large sense of entitlement.

I'd type "/thread" here if I wasn't such a pessimist.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...
a punishment for not buying the cat in the bag.

Nope, it's a reward to loyal customers for their faith. 

I just don't understand why a pre-order is the deciding factor in determining whether one is a loyal customer or not. I mean, a customer more willing to buy a game before doing research on it is no more loyal than a customer who buys the game after doing research. One is just more ballsy than the other. but both bought the game and are thus both loyal to the company.

Like I said earlier, I don't care much for how they are going about this (provided of course that the character is truly as exclusive as it seems right now), but I can appreciate the reasoning behind it. What I don't like about this is that I see it as an encouragement of "blind faith" in a company so that you buy whatever has their name on it, regardless of quality. That is something every gamer should be wary of, IMO.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 18 octobre 2010 - 04:36 .

[Dave of Canada]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

I just don't understand why a pre-order is the deciding factor in determining whether one is a loyal customer or not. I mean, a customer more willing to buy a game before doing research on it is no more loyal than a customer who buys the game after doing research. One is just more ballsy than the other. but both bought the game and are thus both loyal to the company.

You can want to wait for the game but still preorder it.

1) Preorder it.
2) Wait until March, read the early reviews and previews.
3A) Buy the game, get the Signature Edition.
OR
3B) Cancel preorder. Lose nothing.