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[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

I don't mind paying for quality DLC. Unfortunately most of the DLC for Orgins wasn't exactly quality imo.

[SteveGarbage]

I started with a borrowed version of Origins. No Shale, no DLC, no bonus items (except for the Lucky Ring because I downloaded the character creator beforehand). The game was good and went instantly into a grouping with my favorites like KotOR, KotOR II, etc.

So then I bought the game and got Shale and got the DLCs and such and such and even though now my game is "complete" I'd hardly say it's any better than it was the first time around. The additional quests and items are nice and all, but they actually DETRACT from some of the enjoyment because now I've got way overpowered gear compared to that first playthrough when I was out the gate without knowing what the heck I was doing and scraping by to get decent weapons and armor.

Shale is nice and whatnot but she's pretty useless to me (except for the double-archer playthrough I'm doing now). Having her hardly makes the game even that much more enjoyable for me. I assume the new character with the pre-order is going to be along the same lines. Nice to have, no biggie if I didn't.

It's a bonus for their loyal customers in the same way that the owner of our local Mexican restaurant gave me a lunch card where I can earn a free lunch after getting 10 punches. Everybody doesn't get one but I go there once a week and am a valued customer. I think what I've seen of DA2 so far is promising and I've never been disappointed by BioWare so they got my preorder and I'll get a bonus for it.

If you don't trust in the game and want to wait and sacrifice a bonus that's your business. You're not entitled to those extra items and character. You may view it as a punishment for wanting to wait and make an informed decision after the game comes out and is reviewed. I view it as a bonus for my trust and loyalty. Both views are technically correct, I suppose, but in my eyes, if you don't want to promise your support of the game to BioWare, they are under no obligation to promise you a handful of extra items and another character.

[nightcobra]

Meltemph wrote...

Any content that is done months and months in advance SHOULD be on the disk imo.

But why should it? Simply because it was made for the same product? So then you are telling them they are not allowed to work on DLC till the game is launched... That is purely a business decision. If they think they can handle making DLC and the game at the same time, who cares in which order the DLC comes out? However, I am also suspecting you don't like DLC much either.

well her point of view comes off ,to me at least, that if any content is made... even if it is extra and made with a separate budget, should be rightfully owned by the customer from the start. maybe she believes that the dlc was made with part of the budget that was supposed to be going for the main game and taken away from it instead of being developed as an extra to the main game by using a separate budget and timetable.

[Jimmy Fury]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Do you put down something? I thought they didn't charge until it ships. I never preorder anything myself.

Everywhere I've pre-ordered before (Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Gamestop) have all required a minimum of $5 down on a pre-order. I don't know if that's the case with other retailers though.

Gamestop and Best Buy have no down payment or deposit for online pre-orders. Amazon doesn't do any down payments either. 
Which is why i pre-ordered when I did (it was saturday, not yesterday). The daily deal gave free overnight delivery. 
So not only am I not paying anything at all until March 8th, but I'm not paying any extra for ordering online either.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Do you put down something? I thought they didn't charge until it ships. I never preorder anything myself.

Everywhere I've pre-ordered before (Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Gamestop) have all required a minimum of $5 down on a pre-order. I don't know if that's the case with other retailers though.

Gamestop and Best Buy have no down payment or deposit for online pre-orders. Amazon doesn't do any down payments either. 
Which is why i pre-ordered when I did (it was saturday, not yesterday). The daily deal gave free overnight delivery. 
So not only am I not paying anything at all until March 8th, but I'm not paying any extra for ordering online either.

Oh! Well then, that was a very good deal! In that case, you've secured yourself the extra content, but are still in the exact same position as you were yesterday, waiting and seeing while being not a single cent poorer for it. That makes sense to me.

I've never pre-ordered online so I didn't know there was no monetary obligation. That seems a bit strange to me, but I certainly wouldn't be complaining. That's a good thing to know for the future

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 18 octobre 2010 - 07:04 .

[nightcobra]

i'm also going to preorder but i'll wait until mid december to do it, that way at least i can make a more reasonable decision when i see more videos and screenshots of DA2.

[JrayM16]

I would like to point out for some people that day-1 dlc is actually produced after the game goes gold, meaning it goes for disc pressing. The game is completely done atleast a month or so before it ships, which is when the devs do day-1 dlc like Shale or Zaeed or whatever, even if the content was planned beforehand. I've even heard of certain content that didn't have time to be implemented into the game being made into day-1 dlc via this method.

[AlanC9]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Because it defies common sense to encourage that sort of flat out greed. And honestly? There's quite a lack of common sense these days.

Sarah, saying that your personal feeling is "common sense" doesn't ever convince anyone. You should know better.

Any content that is done months and months in advance SHOULD be on the disk imo. Not sold for extra profit on top of a 50-60 dollar entrance fee.

Why?

[FieryDove]

AlanC9 wrote...

Any content that is done months and months in advance SHOULD be on the disk imo. Not sold for extra profit on top of a 50-60 dollar entrance fee.

Why?

Why not?

[The Masked Rog]

FieryDove wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Any content that is done months and months in advance SHOULD be on the disk imo. Not sold for extra profit on top of a 50-60 dollar entrance fee.

Why?

Why not?

Because BioWare decides what goes on disk and what is sold as DLC. And there's nothing wrong about it? If you don't want it don't buy it. If you think the game is incomplete don't buy it either!

[Jimmy Fury]

FieryDove wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Any content that is done months and months in advance SHOULD be on the disk imo. Not sold for extra profit on top of a 50-60 dollar entrance fee.

Why?

Why not?

Because sometimes it's not an option.
Space on a disc is limited. It has to be budgeted effectively. Cutting a character frees up space for something else. Unlike other things that get cut (like dialogue options, romances, or cinematics) a character can be packaged as a DLC add-on later and reintegrated back into the game.

So yeah. Sometimes "just put it on the disc" isn't an option. It's DLC or nothing and frankly I'd prefer to get someone as awesome as Shale or Kasumi as DLC than to never have them at all.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 18 octobre 2010 - 10:22 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Any content that is done months and months in advance SHOULD be on the disk imo. Not sold for extra profit on top of a 50-60 dollar entrance fee.

Why?

Why not?

Because sometimes it's not an option.
Space on a disc is limited. It has to be budgeted effectively. Cutting a character frees up space for something else. Unlike other things that get cut (like dialogue options, romances, or cinematics) a character can be packaged as a DLC add-on later and reintegrated back into the game.

So yeah. Sometimes "just put it on the disc" isn't an option. It's DLC or nothing and frankly I'd prefer to get someone as awesome as Shale or Kasumi as DLC then to never have them at all.

I can understand the sentiment, though. Like I said earlier, even with it having been developed seperately or after the game went gold, to boot up the brand new game you just purchased and be introduced to a mission you can't complete because you haven't yet purchased enough of the game to play it, feels wrong. Shale is the exception for me as she was more an incentive to purchase new, and was offered to anyone willing to do so at no extra cost. However, things like Warden's Keep irritate me.
I understand that it's not always possible to put that content on the disc, and that it's developed seperately and not torn out of the main game, and I'm not saying it should be part of the main game, but I still don't like day 1 DLC.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

And whose fault would that be?

Players with a large sense of entitlement.

Oh brother, still clinging to that strawman argument I see.  
The fact that people have no issue with the idea of having paid DLC day 1 makes me weep for the future.  Not saying this is the case here with the bonus character, but considering Warden's Keep was indeed available day 1 for extra money, I'd not be surprised to see it happen again with DA2.

Noone is saying they're entitled at all, just that its a very shady and greedy thing to do to have paid DLC available day of release.

What it comes down to is you displaying your ignorance with how products like DAO and DA2 are made.  It's ok to be ignorant, so long as you accept correction when the facts are pointed out to you.  A couple people from BioWare have said that the DLC items are produced seperately from the game.  As in, your digital camera comes from a factory and your MP3 player comes from a different part of the same factory.  Buying one doesn't entitle you to the other.

In this same way, DA2 comes from BioWare.  The DLC for DA2 comes from BioWare as well.  They're seperate products and designed to serve different purposes.  The only way a person could (honestly  ) possibly think they "deserve" to get one for buying the other is if you have entitlement issues as was pointed out to you.

There.  Now I have schooled and educated you a little, you should be able to move on to a new and more cogent argument regarding why you deserve for free something that is not included in what you might pay for seperately.

:)

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 19 octobre 2010 - 12:42 .

[Rogue Unit]

Salarian guy wins

[JrayM16]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Salarian guy wins

Agreed.

[Dogaum]

I don't plan to pre-order DA2, but I'm fine with people getting the bonus for free, as long as it remain isolated from the main story, as DAO DLCs were.

If someday it comes to things like "to see the true end you'll need this DLC, buy now!" then I will agree with OP.

[AlanC9]

FieryDove wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Any content that is done months and months in advance SHOULD be on the disk imo. Not sold for extra profit on top of a 50-60 dollar entrance fee.

Why?

Why not?

They can if they want to, sure. I'm looking for a reason why they, like she says, SHOULD.

Yeah, I know you were just being snarky there. But the idiocy ratio in this thread is so high already that I feel obligated to take posts seriously even when they aren't serious.

[AlanC9]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...
Like I said earlier, even with it having been developed seperately or after the game went gold, to boot up the brand new game you just purchased and be introduced to a mission you can't complete because you haven't yet purchased enough of the game to play it, feels wrong. Shale is the exception for me as she was more an incentive to purchase new, and was offered to anyone willing to do so at no extra cost. However, things like Warden's Keep irritate me.

When you say "introduced" do you mean just you knowing that the content is out there, or having that content actually mentioned in-game, like when Levi Dryden shows up in your camp?

[MDarwin]

bjdbwea wrote...

That not enough people cared enough to voice complaints, maybe in part because there were always a few posters telling them to be good customers and just accept whatever the publisher dictates?

I belong to these people and one more reason:  I'm lazy (typing stuff) as to "explain/defending my reason/opinion.
To me at most times: Not worth it! <_<  

[Erode_The_Soul]

AlanC9 wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...
Like I said earlier, even with it having been developed seperately or after the game went gold, to boot up the brand new game you just purchased and be introduced to a mission you can't complete because you haven't yet purchased enough of the game to play it, feels wrong. Shale is the exception for me as she was more an incentive to purchase new, and was offered to anyone willing to do so at no extra cost. However, things like Warden's Keep irritate me.

When you say "introduced" do you mean just you knowing that the content is out there, or having that content actually mentioned in-game, like when Levi Dryden shows up in your camp?

Mentioned in-game. Levi is one of my least favorite people in DA because of that <_<

[MDarwin]

The Masked Rog wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Any content that is done months and months in advance SHOULD be on the disk imo. Not sold for extra profit on top of a 50-60 dollar entrance fee.

Why?

Why not?

Because BioWare decides what goes on disk and what is sold as DLC. And there's nothing wrong about it? If you don't want it don't buy it. If you think the game is incomplete don't buy it either!

Will you buy it?  

[AdamNW]

Morroian wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Mr. Gaider (or any other BioWarian), I don't think you're getting the point. The point isn't that the character is available as a DLC. Shale was available as a DLC, and nobody had a problem with her. But unlike Shale, this character is only available for free download via preorder, regardless of whether you have a retail registration code or not. Shale only required a retail code. This is like kicking the people who are leery of the changes to the game because they want to wait and make an informed decision.

So pre-order then if you decide you don't want to buy it later cancel the pre-order. The fact is its free if you pre-order, it costs you nothing yet BW are still lambasted for it. Its not like Shale in that Shale was intended to be in the game from the start.

Actually, most pre-orders cost a minimum of $5, and you pay whatever is left when you go to pick it up (ex, pre-order DA2 with $10, pick it up after paying the other $50)

Modifié par AdamNW, 19 octobre 2010 - 05:41 .

[Esbatty]

Biowarian? I was unaware Bioware had a seat at the UN. I bet Gaider and Kirby pick on Slovakia for hours.

[AdamNW]

Dave of Canada wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

So then why not just confirm that the other content will not be exclusive, if it's that simple?

Because it's entertaining watching people yell that the sky is falling.

I would buy every Bioware employee a car if this was their reasoning.

[Daerog]

AdamNW wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

So then why not just confirm that the other content will not be exclusive, if it's that simple?

Because it's entertaining watching people yell that the sky is falling.

I would buy every Bioware employee a car if this was their reasoning.

Every single one? Such as, if just one BioWare employee was pure of heart, no one would get a free car? I fear for the three people who work for BioWare who aren't evil. Or at least Chaotic Neutral.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 19 octobre 2010 - 05:54 .