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[crimzontearz]

it was...and they could not de-bug it because of time constraints....which were lifted when the game was delayed. Shale had to be a dlc because even tho they had time to finish it the final game (withouth shale) was already in feature lockdown so they decided to release it as day one dlc free to only some people.



Call it what you will...I call it shady

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

crimzontearz wrote...

Call it what you will...I call it shady

And that right there sums up your entire argument.  :lol:   You don't care about facts, you only care about how sad on the inside DLC makes you.  It goes riiiiiight back to my older post. 

Two dozen people are sobbing.  999,988 people are smirking at you and going back to playing.   :innocent::innocent:

[crimzontearz]

1: your math is still wrong



2: I like DLC when it's not a hackjob aimed to make a quick buck and I already preordered the game. I'd have preordered the sigbature edition but my gamestop does not hace a sku for it yet so I do not know what you are on about

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

crimzontearz wrote...

1: your math is still wrong

  It was a joke.  

2: I like DLC when it's not a hackjob aimed to make a quick buck and I already preordered the game. I'd have preordered the sigbature edition but my gamestop does not hace a sku for it yet so I do not know what you are on about

So give it time man!  You can't poop all over BioWare for making pre-order DLC when you don't even know what the DLC is going to be.  The DLC we are aware of is almost certainly stuff that they planned ahead of time to be sold as a seperate product.  We have no evidence to believe any differently.

Relax.  It's going to be a good game we'll all enjoy. 

Anyways, I have my copy of New Vegas now, so ciao!

[Ymladdych]

Here's the thing: early adoption is a risk.  Everyone knows this, and I've seen nothing but concessions from Bioware employees to this fact.  Gaider, Priestly, and Laidlaw have all acknowledged that people have valid reasons to withhold their judgment and money until reviews come out.

And, frankly, if the game were to fall on its face, all the people who refrained from purchase would not hesitate to come on the boards and gloat about their predictive abilities.  Even if DA2 just has the usual release bugs, early adopters are the ones who carry the burden of dealing with it and reporting it.

So what's wrong with Bioware or EA offering an incentive for early adoption?  Quit being victims...seriously.  Either you choose to take the risk and small reward of early adoption, or you don't.  Regardless, I doubt that the game will be broken or lessened in *any way* by the absence of this content; it's just a cherry on the sundae.

Edit:   Grammatical fixes...I was in a hurry.  
Edit2: Fixed names while I was at it.

Modifié par Ymladdych, 20 octobre 2010 - 02:57 .

[crimzontearz]

I dislike bethesda games....gah



As for crapping on bioware about future dlc? Well...I am not, I am just saying there is reason to be cautious in spite of what other people say.



And...I am still angry at hoy buggy awakening is

[bjdbwea]

Ymladdych wrote...

Even if the DA2 just has the usual release bugs, early adopters are the ones who carry the burden of dealing with it and reporting it.

So what's wrong with Bioware or EA offering an incentive for early adoption?

So people who buy a product on the very day it is released, are not early adopters?

[crimzontearz]

Apparently not early enough lol

[Dave of Canada]

bjdbwea wrote...

So people who buy a product on the very day it is released, are not early adopters?

Here I thought you wanted to wait for gamer reviews to make an "informed" decision.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 19 octobre 2010 - 03:22 .

[bjdbwea]

Dave of Canada wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

So people who buy a product on the very day it is released, are not early adopters?

Here I thought you wanted to wait for gamer reviews to make an "informed" decision.

Indeed, but what does that have to do with the question? Nice try, though.

[Chris Priestly]

People who buy on the day of release are not considered "early adopters", they ARE valued customers, but are not considered "early" that referes to pre-order customers.

Carry on.

[Jimmy Fury]

captain.subtle wrote...
What we need to understand that in a free marker economy, it is not our responsibility to protect interests of Bioware. it is our responsibility to protect our own interests. Bioware needs to look after its own. Video games are essentially like books. Once bought they stay bought and do not waste away with time. The reasons for buying them are Luxury. These two things in fact do not happen simultaneously a lot. That is Why new books are so costsly as compared to second hand Books even when they are in material nearly the same things. Uses don't really erode them off. The only thing that takes away their face value is the emotional bond that the user has with them. It can be seen that even Video games loose the emotional value with time IN RETAILER'S SHOP.

Thus theextra money you are paying is actually going into the emotional value of buying. This does not really fit well in a free market thought-form. Think about it.

Oh dear. I'm sorry but no. You appear to know very little about the book selling industry. Your entire comparison is inaccurate. You're also off the mark on several things about video games...

First, books do waste away with time. They're paper. Paper is biodegradable. The humidity in the air slowly destroys them. They also erode with use. Every time you touch a page in a book the oils and acids on your skin destroy it a little more. This is why people are required to wear gloves and use page turners when looking at rare books. To not do so is to destroy a priceless piece of history.
Speaking of priceless.... While they do erode physically over time, books do not naturally depreciate in value based solely on time. They depreciate with wear and with use alone. A new book can sit on a bookstore shelf for years and still be sold for the cover price. If anything, time increases the value of new books after a certain point.

And, for the record, Bargin books don't end up there due to time either. Books become bargin books due to quantity or damages. Those with overzealous print runs or that get pawed over repeatedly (aka, damaged by general in-store wear-and-tear) get sent to the bargin bin.

Now games, games do depreciate with time alone. This is due to the fly-by-night-popularity that controls their market. Game buyers, for the most part, want new and now. Once that burst of demand wears off they begin to lose value in the store. There's also the tech-evolution factor. Once a new console comes out, processor speeds jump dramatically, or graphics processors improve dramatically, the old games lose value simply because their hardware is outdated. There are some extremely fun games that people just have no desire for anymore because they would look attrocious on an HD monitor. 

But that's just new. Once they become used books and games have a lot more in common. It's not due to emotional value though. Used games and books lose value due to wear. Pages tear, discs scratch, dust covers and instruction manuals get lost, spines break, cases crack, etc. etc. etc.  The loss of value between one owner and the next has nothing to do with emotion and everything to do with the quality of the product. People won't pay new prices for used books or games because the product itself is of poorer quality.

So... no. Games are not "essentially like books." While new the only thing they have in common is that they provide entertainment. So do monkeys in clothes. Monkeys in clothes aren't anything like books or games either. Nor does emotional value have anything to do with sales price.
New games cost more because they're new. DLC's value is based only on the value of the game. DLC can't be sold used so it never depreciates with use. The only thing that depreciates DLC is the popularity of the game (theoretically that is. I've yet to actually see DLC depreciate at all. Ususally it just gets pulled once the hosting costs exceed the sales)

Although what any of this has to do with preorder bonuses is beyond me. If you're trying to insinuate that we should all only buy used games to stick it to the evil corporations... well that's impossible. Used games can't exist without new games being sold.
Indeed, used games are the very reason we have "buy new get this DLC thingy free!" So that whole "don't buy it new and we'll force the publishers to lower their prices!" thing... didn't really work.

[Blastback]

Okay, quick question for someone who hasn't been keeping up with every page of the debate, has it been announced whether or not the bonus charater and quest will be avaible as paid DLC for players who do not preorder? I'm more curious than anything as I planned to preorder no matter what.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Blastback wrote...

Okay, quick question for someone who hasn't been keeping up with every page of the debate, has it been announced whether or not the bonus charater and quest will be avaible as paid DLC for players who do not preorder? I'm more curious than anything as I planned to preorder no matter what.

Nothing like that has been announced yet. As of right now, the bonus character is exclusive to those who pre-order the game before January

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

You know....I love how people are using the "it was made with another budget" line of thought. I love it because it is very correct. If DLC packet is made with a budget that is NOT that of the main game then regardless of when it comes out it should me paid for separately and rightfully so.

What people seem to forget tho is that we do not always know that this is the case (schnozberry again if you have to be snarky do your homework first).
Take Shale. Shale was made with the game's budget....yes, the devs even admitted to the fact that he was to be part of the final game but he had to be cut because of time constraints and QA (yes they said so on the old forum go look it up) BUT because the pc version was delayed and DLC has a different quality assurance process shale was finished and made DLC. Still he was made with the game's budget but he was sold separately and free only to those who bought the game new. That is the beginning of a slippery slide. Furthermore when asked about Warden's keep and what budget it was made with the dev's answer was "none of your business".

So Shale was free except to the used game buyers, who don't pay Bio for anything in the first place. There's a problem here?

And what does this have to do with the DA2 SE? You're not seriously arguing that some sort of day 1 DLC wasn't in the plan for DA2 all along, are you?

[Xanduin123]

i might be blind, but this is the only thread i could find that has kind of the same topic as my question, so here i go

EDIT: in case its too long for some, basic question is: can anyone who paid 50 bucks for their DA2 from the EAstore see it in their list of products?

i pre ordered from the EA store July 30th, it cost me 50 bucks, i was wondering if i was upgraded to the signature edition correctly (i have bad luck in not getting upgrades/special deals when im supposed to) so i followed instructions on the e-mail to find my order

when i got to the website, i found that the DA signature edition pre order is now 60 bucks, and on looking under my current orders, it said none was to be found.. is that normal? those 2 things together worries me a bit

also extra question not necessarily tied to it, if i bought from the EA store, is it automatically a direct download, or are they gonna ship it to me?

Modifié par Xanduin123, 19 octobre 2010 - 04:13 .

[Maria Caliban]

It's Shale all over again.

--

Xanduin,

1) I'd be worried about my order at this point though not unduely so. A call to EA CS might be a good idea.
2) EA sells hard copies and digital downloads. Which did you buy? 

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 19 octobre 2010 - 04:13 .

[Xanduin123]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Xanduin,

1) I'd be worried about my order at this point though not unduely so. A call to EA CS might be a good idea.
2) EA sells hard copies and digital downloads. Which did you buy? 

alright, ill call them

and im not sure, i dont remember anything about it, im fine with either one, was just curious, maybe ill find that out too

thank you

[Bryy_Miller]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
 The DLC we are aware of is almost certainly stuff that they planned ahead of time to be sold as a seperate product.  We have no evidence to believe any differently.

And in fact, this has time and time again proven to be the case (something which really keeps me from pre-ordering, although I have no problem with others pre-ordering).

[crimzontearz]

The problem shnoz is that content that should have just been free for everyone turned into paid dlc (even tho only for some and as warden's keep...well....it is none of our business according to the devs so we will never know)

[Stanley Woo]

crimzontearz wrote...
The problem shnoz is that content that should have just been free for everyone

Your opinion, your preference, your desire, but it has no bearing on reality or what we're doing/planning, regardless of how often you say it, how many people say, or how loudly. Even if a jillion people cpeak out against it, but enough people buy it that it makes sense to keep doing it, we'll keep doing it. Remember all the people who are not you who may disagree with you.

turned into paid dlc (even tho only for some and as warden's keep...well....it is none of our business according to the devs so we will never know)

Really, your choice as a gamer and consumer is to choose to buy it, or choose not to buy it. the "reasons" or "story" behind a product are really not your concern and have no bearing on the product being offered for sale. Whether something "turns into paid DLC" or "was DLC from the beginning" is immaterial to the finished product, as it spawns a lot of pointless arguments by gamers on what the developer "should have" or "could have" done. It still has no effect on your right and responsibility as a consumer to make informed purchasing decisions.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 19 octobre 2010 - 07:53 .

[aaniadyen]

Stanley Woo wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
The problem shnoz is that content that should have just been free for everyone

Your opinion, your preference, your desire, but it has no bearing on reality or what we're doing/planning, regardless of how often you say it, how many people say, or how loudly. Even if a jillion people cpeak out against it, but enough people buy it that it makes sense to keep doing it, we'll keep doing it. Remember all the people who are not you who may disagree with you.

turned into paid dlc (even tho only for some and as warden's keep...well....it is none of our business according to the devs so we will never know)

Really, your choice as a gamer and consumer is to choose to buy it, or choose not to buy it. the "reasons" or "story" behind a product are really not your concern and have no bearing on the product being offered for sale. Whether something "turns into paid DLC" or "was DLC from the beginning" is immaterial to the finished product, as it spawns a lot of pointless arguments by gamers on what the developer "should have" or "could have" done. It still has no effect on your right and responsibility as a consumer to make informed purchasing decisions.

I seriously think it would save Bioware a lot of headaches on this forum if they just kept everyone completely in the dark like every other developer. (not sarcasm)

Modifié par aaniadyen, 19 octobre 2010 - 07:55 .

[bzombo]

i don't see the big deal. it's pre-order bonus content for the sig edition.

[bzombo]

crimzontearz wrote...

The problem shnoz is that content that should have just been free for everyone turned into paid dlc (even tho only for some and as warden's keep...well....it is none of our business according to the devs so we will never know)

who says you deserve free content? this is self entitlement to the highest degree. if the internet does not exist, dlc never happens.  if anything, it would be part of an expansion. you know, something you pay for. there is no free content unless the developer/publisher chooses to create something and make it free. you don't deserve something for free. it's called capitalism. if you don't like it, then you're s.o.l.

[Stanley Woo]

aaniadyen wrote...
I seriously think it would save Bioware a lot of headaches on this forum if they just kept everyone completely in the dark like every other developer. (not sarcasm)

But then everyone keeps pressing us to give them more information, more, More, MORE and we're accused of not interacting with the fans!