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[Mykel54]

I understand where the OP comes from, i´ve seen some game series ruined (in my opinion at least) because of the dlc, and as time passes you can see that dlc content is more and more important, leaving the main game with a very "incomplete" feel. Still i do believe bioware when they say that they do not cut content on purpose, if you look at older games and expansions, you will realise that in order to make a game of the scale of DA2 they need a lot more of resources than what old rpgs like baldur gate needed. What i mean is that i believe bioware when they say that the normal edition will be enough to play the game (that was the case in DAO), but the collector´s edition and the dlc are there to enhance your experience if you want. I personaly have no trouble with spending a few extra bucks if it gets me more of a game i enjoy, perhaps with more quests, items, or history-content (like lair of the shadow broker). I´d rather have that than have no option to augment the game whatsoever, in the old days the expansions were good but i recognise it is easy to see dlc as "cut content" and put the blame on it. I know other developers who do that and have no qualms over it, but for now i trust bioware enough to believe their word when they say that the normal game will be playable enough without the extra bits.

[David Gaider]

Zlarm wrote...
10 years ago when dlc wasn't around that cool extra character idea might have been included into the game rather than set as a pre order bonus or as paid dlc...

Incorrect. It wouldn't have been included at all. DLC is created on a different timeline and is separate from the main game in both concept and execution-- the idea that we could or would simply fold these resources into the main game and make it bigger, no strings attached, is a fantasy. The main game is a herculean enough effort to create as it is.

That doesn't stop people (or "consumers", if you prefer) from wanting more for nothing. That's always been the case, I'm pretty certain. Digital delivery simply hasn't been an option before.

Plus I'm not sure you're the most unbiased source of information considering we are on different sides of the consumer/ supplier divide (I don't mean this as an insult).

I'm sure there are people who think I'm just a corporate shill, sure, and wouldn't believe me no matter what I say. Not much I can do about that. I'm not a salesman, and I'm not trying to be one.

Ultimately whether DA2 justifies its cost is a little hard to decide at the moment since the only things you guys seem focused on right now is "think like a general and fight like a spartan".  Hopefully by January we'll have a bit of a better idea.

I somehow suspect that will be the case, yes.

[Rogue Unit]

I say just pre-order the game now anyway. If Dragon Age 2 turn out not to be of your liking, get your money back. If you decide it's worth the money, you've got yourself some free content.

[Meltemph]

So then you liked the DLC?  Where is the problem?

Modifié par Meltemph, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:05 .

[Addai]

Rogue Unit wrote...

I say just pre-order the game now anyway. If Dragon Age 2 turn out not to be of your liking, get your money back. If you decide it's worth the money, you've got yourself some free content.

Retailers let you return software that's been opened??  Huh.

[Dave of Canada]

Addai67 wrote...

Retailers let you return software that's been opened??  Huh.

You can cancel your preorder when reviews start coming out. It's not hard. A preorder isn't a purchase.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:07 .

[Rogue Unit]

Addai67 wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

I say just pre-order the game now anyway. If Dragon Age 2 turn out not to be of your liking, get your money back. If you decide it's worth the money, you've got yourself some free content.

Retailers let you return software that's been opened??  Huh.

Uh, no? What I'm saying is if you read some reviews a few days before launch and decide the game is not for you, get your money back off the pre-order. I didn't mean take the game home and play it to see for yourself...

[Wulfram]

David Gaider wrote...

Incorrect. It wouldn't have been included at all. DLC is created on a different timeline and is separate from the main game in both concept and execution-- the idea that we could or would simply fold these resources into the main game and make it bigger, no strings attached, is a fantasy. The main game is a herculean enough effort to create as it is.

And yet you are, in fact, not charging extra money for this.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

slimgrin wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...


Not having Zaeed in my first run through of ME2 did make the game shorter, correct.  It did not make the game less.  That was still a fantastic game and goes right up next to Thief 2, Alpha Centauri, Corporate Machine, and DAO as the best games I've ever played.  Don't confuse content for quality.

I don't agree.  You would have had one less mission ( a fantastic one at that ) less banter from Zaeed, which was awesome, and fewer tactical options, like no fire grenade.

For me, ME2 would have seemed much less of a game without him.

The Zaeed mission was great, true, but missing it didn't hurt the story for me, and story is why I put on my RPG playing short on my off days.


I seem to recall a thread where we gently discovered we have different interests in RPGs.     So I'm just going to high five you and move on. 

  

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:10 .

[Meltemph]

Not everyone got him. Thats the topic of this thread, isn't it?

You couldn't buy the DLC at launch? I didn't know that.

[bjdbwea]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Uh, no? What I'm saying is if you read some reviews a few days before launch and decide the game is not for you, get your money back off the pre-order. I didn't mean take the game home and play it to see for yourself...

That's not possible, because you have to pre-order until January, but the game is only released in March. But even if it were possible, the customers should not be forced to take such steps. Besides, what if someone prefers to read reviews from actual gamers who paid for the game, instead of reviewers who get paid to play the game?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:14 .

[Dave of Canada]

slimgrin wrote...

Isn't the game coming out in March, and pre order deadline in January?

Preorder now, wait until March and see the reviews coming out. If you don't like what you see, move the 5$ to another game. I've juggled a 5$ from a canceled preorder a thousand and two times before I finally used it. I used to put it on Duke Nukem Forever so I knew I didn't need to move it around for a while.

[Saibh]

bjdbwea wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Uh, no? What I'm saying is if you read some reviews a few days before launch and decide the game is not for you, get your money back off the pre-order. I didn't mean take the game home and play it to see for yourself...

That's not possible, because you have to pre-order until January, but the game is only released in March. But even if it were possible, the customers should not be forced to take such steps. Besides, what if someone prefers to read reviews from actual gamers who paid for the game, instead of reviewers who get paid to play the game?

Pre-order on January 10th. Wait until information comes out late February, early March in reviews. Don't like it? Cancel your pre-order, lose five bucks.

You're not being "forced".

EDIT: ....DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE!

Modifié par Saibh, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:15 .

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...

Pre-order on January 10th. Wait until information comes out late February, early March in reviews. Don't like it? Cancel your pre-order, lose five bucks.

You lose the five bucks? I was able to move it to another game. O.o

[marshalleck]

bjdbwea wrote...
Besides, what if someone prefers to read reviews from actual gamers who paid for the game, instead of reviewers who get paid to play the game?

Just do exactly as the other guy said, read the early reviews that will be coming out a few days before the street date. It happens with every big game. 

[Saibh]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Pre-order on January 10th. Wait until information comes out late February, early March in reviews. Don't like it? Cancel your pre-order, lose five bucks.

You lose the five bucks? I was able to move it to another game. O.o

I mean, if you want your money back. If don't want to pre-order again...

[Meltemph]

Are you just trolling? Some had to pay to get him, some didn't.

And? What, you think they should have given DLC free to everyone just because anyone could enjoy it? How does that make any sense from a business standpoint? If it is DLC it was added content, which cost more money, and they used that added content to entice pre-order sales, it is the companies prerogative to give free stuff to people who pre-order, with stuff that was not free to make.



I honestly am not seeing what the problem is, unless you are saying that Mass Effect 2 was not worth the cost w/o the Zaeed DLC?

[David Gaider]

bjdbwea wrote...
While that might be a strategy, the customers should not be forced to take such steps. Besides, what if someone prefers to read reviews from actual gamers who paid for the game, instead of reviewers who get paid to play the game?

Who's "forcing" you? Wait for reviews. It's a sound, wise choice if you're at all doubtful.

If you're not, then pre-order the game. And if you do, you'll receive a bonus as a "thank you".

As for how people can get access to that bonus (or if they can) when they don't pre-order, you'll have to wait and see. I don't know when we're putting out that information.

But I guess there will be people who will want the best of both worlds, regardless, and will rail against the very idea of DLC no matter what we say-- because we are, heaven forbid, putting out content that other people are willing to pay for. And them paying for it means you don't get it for free (or don't get it at all, which would normally have been the case in the past, though you wouldn't have known it was ever considered either and ignorance is usally bliss).

Even so, I don't know what the value is in me participating in this discussion. I'm sure we've provided all the info we can on the subject right now. Feel free to discuss it-- please keep it civil and related to DA2 specifically. Thanks.

Modifié par David Gaider, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:19 .

[MerinTB]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Pre-order on January 10th. Wait until information comes out late February, early March in reviews. Don't like it? Cancel your pre-order, lose five bucks.

You lose the five bucks? I was able to move it to another game. O.o

Some places need no downpayment for pre-orders (Amazon), some take $5 that you can move around (Gamestop, EB Games (which is Gamestop now)), and some places take the downpayment as a guarantee and you lose it.  Or at least they used to.  Doesn't Best Buy keep your payment?

[bjdbwea]

marshalleck wrote...

Just do exactly as the other guy said, read the early reviews that will be coming out a few days before the street date. It happens with every big game. 

But don't forget that the game will be shipped immediately, so that everyone will have it on release day. There's no way to read any reviews from actual gamers who played the game. And a demo will probably only be released months after release (like with ME 2), if at all.