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[Tiax Rules All]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

$59.99 for a Pc game is not a deal.

I agree. Sadly, though, the cost of games have increased by a huge percent over the past few years.

I dont think it has to though, prob just more to do with how they think they can get away with it. and they will... wonder when 69.99 will come into effect..

[AlanC9]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

$59.99 for a Pc game is not a deal.

I agree. Sadly, though, the cost of games have increased by a huge percent over the past few years.

Long-term, game prices have been pretty stable; they've always cost  $50-60 in 2010 dollars. And something a few months past the release date gets discounted more these days, so games are actually cheaper if you don't want to play the latest thing.

[Bryy_Miller]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

$59.99 for a Pc game is not a deal.

I agree. Sadly, though, the cost of games have increased by a huge percent over the past few years.

I dont think it has to though, prob just more to do with how they think they can get away with it. and they will... wonder when 69.99 will come into effect..

It doesn't have to, it just is. There's no sign of it slowly down. Hell, some CE's are $100 now.

[Nighteye2]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

$59.99 for a Pc game is not a deal.

I agree. Sadly, though, the cost of games have increased by a huge percent over the past few years.

And the store prices have been kept constant for many years, without being corrected for inflation.

[Darkhour]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

$59.99 for a Pc game is not a deal.

I agree. Sadly, though, the cost of games have increased by a huge percent over the past few years.

It's cheaper to release a game on PC than console because Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft get their cut. If it was simply a matter for inflation or industry price increase, the console version should be $69.99.  Why does the master race have to pay console prices? 

[sidion77]

I pre-ordered mine today. Thanks?

[PSUHammer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

$59.99 for a Pc game is not a deal.

I agree. Sadly, though, the cost of games have increased by a huge percent over the past few years.

Long-term, game prices have been pretty stable; they've always cost  $50-60 in 2010 dollars. And something a few months past the release date gets discounted more these days, so games are actually cheaper if you don't want to play the latest thing.

This is true...I worked in an Electronics Boutique (before they became EB Games) back in the early 90's and 5 1/4" floppy games were selling for $40 - $50 then.  I would say the prices have been more than stable considering development costs are ridiculous now compared to 20 years ago.

And, RE:  the OP....preorders and "bonus" items in an attempt to stem piracy isn't a conspiracy theory.  It is an actual incentive fully intentional.  It's actually a great idea for software developers.  Give away some things that ONLY people who bought the game would have access to.  

Modifié par Hammer6767, 04 décembre 2010 - 02:57 .

[Nighteye2]

Hammer6767 wrote...
And, RE:  the OP....preorders and "bonus" items in an attempt to stem piracy isn't a conspiracy theory.  It is an actual incentive fully intentional.  It's actually a great idea for software developers.  Give away some things that ONLY people who bought the game would have access to.  

It's a great idea to include codes for such items in the box, for those who buy it new. It's not a great idea to make them exclusive to pre-orders with participating game stores, available in only a few places around the world.

[In Exile]

Similarly priced games are actually a problem for those who ascribe more niche tastes to themselves, because this similarity in per unit sale price is what leads to a need on the part of all developers to maintain broad appeal. If they could sell BG3, for example, for $130 instead of $60, that would cut the needed sales in half for the same margin.

Of course you could make the counter argument that prince increases in games would mean we'd get the same selection only more expensive, but there is a practical reality that developmetn costs have increased without any associated per unit increase in per unit price.

[AlanC9]

Jeez. I hope nobody from Paradox reads that post.

[In Exile]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jeez. I hope nobody from Paradox reads that post.

Well, for what it's worth I'd actually pay that much for most of their products. I'm looking forward to Supreme Ruler Cold War. Am a big fan of pretty much anything they make.

[pedi007]

Hi guys. I'm planning to get Dragon Age: Signature edition from Amazon (cause I live in Belgium) The game offers a code which allows you to download the game soundtrack and additional stuff. But would i be able to download those stuff? Do I need a UK PSN account to unlock those stuff? Or do you need an PSN account for other (future) DLC's?? (Belgium uses Pal too) Thanks

[Bryy_Miller]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jeez. I hope nobody from Paradox reads that post.

I met a guy from Paradox. Good people. Very Swiss.

[Helena Tylena]

I would really love to be thankful to Bioware for this but since the signature edition doesn't ship to my country for whatever reason I really can't.

I mean, I know I can order it digitally and download it, but it's simply not the same. I'm sorry, but I feel the Benelux has been left out of something it shouldn't have been, and I'm disappointed.

[TRSniper4]

Although I don't agree with charging $60 for a PC game, I'm considering the fact that I'm getting $20 worth of content for the extra $10, so I can't complain too much, especially considering that I planned to buy that content, anyway. Thank you Bioware for the great deal on the Signature Edition.

[Darkhour]

TRSniper4 wrote...

Although I don't agree with charging $60 for a PC game, I'm considering the fact that I'm getting $20 worth of content for the extra $10, so I can't complain too much, especially considering that I planned to buy that content, anyway. Thank you Bioware for the great deal on the Signature Edition.

How exactly is it $20 worth of content?

That could just as well slap a $500 price tag on it and claim you're getting $500 worth of content for $10.  The value is whatever they decide to say it's worth.  Shale was clearly included in DA:O's developement from the get go, but people who didn't pre-order had to pay extra for what was essential a part of the original game.  An arbitrary value was then assigned to the DLC.  They could just as easily removed Zevran, Sten and Oghren and charged $15 each to get them as DLC.  I have no doubt that this "bonus" character is just like Shale:  A character pulled out of the game and repackaged for addtional profit/promote pre-order sales. We aren't getting any deal. People who don't pre-order are simply getting screwed over. But with the $59.99 price tag I guess we're getting screwed too, but without the sandpaper condom.

Modifié par Darkhour, 05 décembre 2010 - 04:38 .

[Leonia]

Except they've already said their DLC content is on a different timetable than the rest of their content and that this isn't "just like Shale" all over again.

Also, there is a lot of misconception about Shale. If they hadn't included Shale as DLC, she never would have made it into the game at all. She was cut content originally. It's not like the devs went "Yeah, let's plan her out as DLC and charge extra for her!" in the design-phase.

I bought my game for about $45 AUD (which is at about parity with the USD at the moment) so you don't HAVE to pay $60 unless you are too lazy to shop around.

Modifié par leonia42, 05 décembre 2010 - 04:41 .

[Darkhour]

leonia42 wrote...

Except they've already said their DLC content is on a different timetable than the rest of their content and that this isn't "just like Shale" all over again.

And they're probably lying.  They said the same thing about Shale. They also claimed qunari were supposed to have horns all along. They lie all the time.  It is releasing with the game because -- guess what? -- it was developed along aside it.  They're not going to assign a $20 value to some afterthought character than doesn't interact with anyone, doesn't respond to ingame events and just generally does not fit in with the rest of the game.

[Leonia]

Right, well, if that's how you feel, don't pre-order. This thread is so old and off-topic at this point anyway, it's completely out of context and being twisted around every which way now.



I would like to see your evidence for their lies though. I want photos and fingerprints.

[Darkhour]

leonia42 wrote...

Also, there is a lot of misconception about Shale. If they hadn't included Shale as DLC, she never would have made it into the game at all. She was cut content originally.
 

Suuuure she wouldn't have. 

Why did they cut Shale when they put so much time and effort into recording the voices and cutscenes?  They changed some stuff around, like where and how you find her, but that was early developement changes.

It's not like the devs went "Yeah, let's plan her out as DLC and charge extra for her!" in the design-phase.

That's exactly what happened.   I don't know if it was devs, I don;t think that would be their call, but somebody did.

I bought my game for about $45 AUD (which is at about parity with the USD at the moment) so you don't HAVE to pay $60 unless you are too lazy to shop around.

I paid $49.99 at Best buy.

leonia42 wrote...

Right, well, if that's how you feel, don't pre-order. This thread is so old and off-topic at this point anyway, it's completely out of context and being twisted around every which way now.

I would like to see your evidence for their lies though. I want photos and fingerprints.

The game itself is all the evidence you need.  What next, you want evidence that the sun is bright?

[ErichHartmann]

Darkhour wrote...

The game itself is all the evidence you need.  What next, you want evidence that the sun is bright?

Deflecting a question with a silly answer means you have nothing to back it up.

[Leonia]

I really wish I had the dev quote handy about Shale, I bet Dave of Canada has it some where.. he's always been really good at helping people realise that DLC content isn't a conspiracy.

[AlanC9]

It doesn't matter. Someone like Darkhour would just say that Bio was lying regardless of what information you produce.

What's always mystified me is that Darkhour's position requires Bio to be not just greedy, but stupid. They've always known there was going to be day 1 DLC. Making the game in one big lump and then cutting stuff out for the DLC makes QA harder for Bioware. They've got no reason not to keep the projects separate, and good reason to do so.

Sometimes I think that the conspiracy theorists have never actually worked in their lives. Besides burger-flipping, I guess. Although come to think of it, even someone who works at McDonalds would know that different stations work independently.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 décembre 2010 - 05:17 .

[theemptythrone]

thanks bioware, i preorderd this game as soon as saw the pamphlet for it in the awakenings case, i dinnt care if it had dlc or not, but the fact that it does is awesome

[Darkhour]

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[quote]ErichHartmann wrote...

[quote]Darkhour wrote...

The game itself is all the evidence you need.  What next, you want evidence that the sun is bright?
[/quote]

Deflecting a question with a silly answer means you have nothing to back it up.

[/quote]

Look up "deflect", fanboi.  Can't be any more direct than I was.



Person A: Prove that the sun is bright.

Person B: Look at it.

Person A:  That's a silly recomendation. That's not an answer. You're deflecting the question.

Person B: So the sun isn't bright? Really???  You can't get any more direct than looking at the sun.  It is self evident.

If you think Shale was an afterthought your IQ isn't high enough to comprehend what I'm posting. So that makes you a troll or a freaking retard. Which is it?
 
[quote]leonia42 wrote...

I really wish I had the dev quote handy about Shale, I bet Dave of Canada has it some where.. he's always been really good at helping people realise that DLC content isn't a conspiracy. [/quote]

You can have 50 dev quotes claiming that staring into the sun for 2 hours straight improves your eye sight, I'm going to stare at it.  They have a PR and marketing department.  They say what they are told to say.

Modifié par Darkhour, 05 décembre 2010 - 05:37 .