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[upsettingshorts]

"Bioware freely admits."

Like it's some kind of criminal conspiracy and they're pleading nolo contendere.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:33 .

[Meltemph]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

You can say this about any game but preorder bonuses have existed for years. This isn't Bioware going "FLEE PATHETIC MORTALS AND PURCHASE OUR GAME!", this is them giving a better preorder incentive than a tattoo (Fable 3).

I've no problem with pre-order bonuses that are, well, BONUSES (like a cloth map, figurines and the like)L.
I've a serious problem with pre-order bonuses that are counted in GAME CONTENT - like a whole new party character.
If it's been developped by the time of release, holding it back to lure people into paying is just a shameful ripp-off.

Hah, nostalgia almost.  Remember having the same argument about this with you back with DAO.  The problem can't be to serious though, if you still plan on buying the game. 

[nightcobra]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

That doesn't really make any sense since that DLC was available on day 1 and was free with new copies. It couldn't have been a problem with time constraints since it was available on day 1.

It is not uncommon for companies to have secondary projects running in line with a primary project...

And it couldn't have been a budgetary problem since it was free.

So budget concerns factor into you purchasing something? I mean, really?

What? I don't think you understand my post. I'm saying it couldn't have been budgetary constraints keeping Bioware from making Shale part of the default game since the DLC for her was free.

even if it was free to give, it wasn't free to make.
if they gave it for free it was because they thought it was the right idea at the time

[Leonia]

I feel like the positivity is being eroded out of this thread.

[Meltemph]

What? I don't think you understand my post. I'm saying it couldn't have been budgetary constraints keeping Bioware from making Shale part of the default game since the DLC for her was free.

The cost obviously outweighed the worth to them... Which is why they added it as an incentive and dlc. How can you come to any other conclusion?

[Saibh]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I don't consider things that you're paying money for free.

Then consider them complimentary with your order.

By Wulfram's logic the complimentary breadsticks one gets at a restaurant are an insult to his intelligence because they were made separate from the meal very early in the menu design process.

I think Wulfram has a point. EA/BW is a company and everything they do has to be accounted for. The have budgets, wages, rules, regulations, lawyers, and stockholders now. It's hard to believe that the Signature Edition and its marketing campaign are made in their spare time. The work they have put in to this has to be translated into money. In the end, the customer pays. And thus nothing at EA/BW is for free.

I'm going to say this again:

Had they never given us the "Signature Edition" option, we would have never known the difference. I would have pre-ordered my copy and got exactly what I ordered: the main game's content. Nothing more, nothing less.

This is a reward because now, without any extra cost on my part, I'm getting extra goodies of at least a twenty dollar value for nothing extra. I am now getting more than my money's worth. It is free because it doesn't cost anything extra to me. I don't have to turn in a dime more.

Let's say, come March, reviews pour in and everyone says they hate it. Well, I cancel my preorder and, at the most, lose my $5 down deposit. That's it.

Of course BioWare benefits from us preordering. It's an extra incentive for people who normally don't buy DLC or soundtracks to go ahead and get this one because it's free. Or complimentary, take your pick. Even if they have the most nefarious evil morals behind giving us free content it is still free content.

[phaonica]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

You can say this about any game but preorder bonuses have existed for years. This isn't Bioware going "FLEE PATHETIC MORTALS AND PURCHASE OUR GAME!", this is them giving a better preorder incentive than a tattoo (Fable 3).

I've no problem with pre-order bonuses that are, well, BONUSES (like a cloth map, figurines and the like)L.
I've a serious problem with pre-order bonuses that are counted in GAME CONTENT - like a whole new party character.
If it's been developped by the time of release, holding it back to lure people into paying is just a shameful ripp-off.

There can't be game content bonuses? Are bonus in-game weapons and armor not 'content'? 

[lv12medic]

So... Does it really matter if this is some grand conspiracy to steal peoples money or something?  Bioware/EA decided they want to give extra content to pre-orders by a certain date at no extra charge.  They could have just as easily thrown this into a collector's edition and charged another $10 or so.  It's possible that this extra content could have just been part of the game to begin with but they decided this stuff is extra, not included.  The customer does not decide what is extra or included in a product, the company that makes the product does, and sometimes the retailers during special promotions.

So I say thank you to Bioware for this Signature Edition because it gives people a chance to get this extra content at no extra charge through a pre-order promotion.

[Akka le Vil]

Meltemph wrote...

Hah, nostalgia almost.  Remember having the same argument about this with you back with DAO.  The problem can't be to serious though, if you still plan on buying the game.

I don't plan on buying anything in advance. i've got a brain and I use it, and it means that, as usual, I wait until the game is released and THEN makes my mind.

[Leonia]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Hah, nostalgia almost.  Remember having the same argument about this with you back with DAO.  The problem can't be to serious though, if you still plan on buying the game.

I don't plan on buying anything in advance. i've got a brain and I use it, and it means that, as usual, I wait until the game is released and THEN makes my mind.

Did you just do an ad hominem against everyone who is pre-ordering? Really?

[upsettingshorts]

Akka le Vil wrote...
I don't plan on buying anything in advance. i've got a brain and I use it, and it means that, as usual, I wait until the game is released and THEN makes my mind.

Other people have brains, and can make up their own mind on whether or not the incentives of the SE combined with their own expectations justify a preorder.  Other people arriving  at a different conclusion than you based on the same information does not make them idiots.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:45 .

[Meltemph]

I don't plan on buying anything in advance. i've got a brain and I use it, and it means that, as usual, I wait until the game is released and THEN makes my mind.

So someone who trusts that Bioware(Or any company of choice, Bungie for example) is going to make a quality game that they like, according to you, is not using their brain? Well aren't you as sweet as ever.

[Saibh]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Hah, nostalgia almost.  Remember having the same argument about this with you back with DAO.  The problem can't be to serious though, if you still plan on buying the game.

I don't plan on buying anything in advance. i've got a brain and I use it, and it means that, as usual, I wait until the game is released and THEN makes my mind.

Great, then don't preorder and miss out on extra free content--that is purely your decision. You are not wrong to. You have not lost anything, you've simply not gained anything by it. Except maybe your money and time if it turns out you don't like it.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Saibh wrote...

I'm going to say this again:

[...]

I'm getting extra goodies of at least a twenty dollar value for nothing extra.

[...]

it is still free content.

Somewhere down the line, someone has to pay. BW has to make a profit (which is great), but I doubt they want to make less profit, especially given the figure involved. 20 dollar per copy is a lot of money to lose.

[Leonia]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I'm going to say this again:

[...]

I'm getting extra goodies of at least a twenty dollar value for nothing extra.

[...]

it is still free content.

Somewhere down the line, someone has to pay. BW has to make a profit (which is great), but I doubt they want to make less profit, especially given the figure involved. 20 dollar per copy is a lot of money to lose.

That's just the risk they take for rewarding their loyal fans who will buy their product on or before 1/11/11.

[nightcobra]

leonia42 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I'm going to say this again:

[...]

I'm getting extra goodies of at least a twenty dollar value for nothing extra.

[...]

it is still free content.

Somewhere down the line, someone has to pay. BW has to make a profit (which is great), but I doubt they want to make less profit, especially given the figure involved. 20 dollar per copy is a lot of money to lose.

That's just the risk they take for rewarding their loyal fans who will buy their product on or before 1/11/11.

it can go both ways, it all depends of how well this signature version does.

[Daewan]

Dear BioWare,

Thank you for convincing me to continue working and saving money so that I can afford to buy nice things for myself, like games. Thank you for adding an extra, worthwhile incentive to pre-ordering and not just tawdry figurines to clutter up my desk or cheaply printed maps that fall apart or get ink all over my hands. Thank you for letting me show my loyalty to your games in a way that actually makes a difference.

Please tell the marketing team that came up with this idea that the very fury that it has sparked on the forums is a clear sign that they hit the right chord, and encourage them to continue. You have my support, and my thanks.

[AngryFrozenWater]

leonia42 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I'm going to say this again:

[...]

I'm getting extra goodies of at least a twenty dollar value for nothing extra.

[...]

it is still free content.

Somewhere down the line, someone has to pay. BW has to make a profit (which is great), but I doubt they want to make less profit, especially given the figure involved. 20 dollar per copy is a lot of money to lose.

That's just the risk they take for rewarding their loyal fans who will buy their product on or before 1/11/11.

There is no risk if you know you are planning to lose 20 dollar per copy. It is calculated. That means... Well. You do the math.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:17 .

[bbfan13]

I am going ask a silly question that is a bit off topic. How does pre-order work? I have never done it. Is my credit card charged full price today for the game or is it charged the day the game is released? That would certainly impact my opinion of this release. Thanks in advance for your replies.

[Leonia]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I'm going to say this again:

[...]

I'm getting extra goodies of at least a twenty dollar value for nothing extra.

[...]

it is still free content.

Somewhere down the line, someone has to pay. BW has to make a profit (which is great), but I doubt they want to make less profit, especially given the figure involved. 20 dollar per copy is a lot of money to lose.

That's just the risk they take for rewarding their loyal fans who will buy their product on or before 1/11/11.

There is no risk if you know you are planning to lose 20 dollar per copy. It is calculated. That means... Well. You do the math.

The vast majority of the people buying the game will not be pre-ordering. It's an incentive to the folks who will be pre-ordering. Everyone's a winner. Calculated risk is the best kind of risk in business since they, as you say, already know the outcome. If it wasn't an outcome they wanted, they wouldn't be going through with it, would they?

[Nighteye2]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
it's a way to incentive players to buy the game fullpriced instead of used or second hand, and you know what? i agree with it since most used games profit doesn't go to bioware but rather the store like gamestop. i'd rather give my money to the people who made the game than the store who sold me the game.

If that was the reason they'd do it like Shale - include the download code in the box for everyone who buys the game new. Available to everyone who buys the game new, regardless if in which country they live or in which store they purchase the game.

[Meltemph]

There is no risk if you know you are planning to lose 20 dollar per copy. It is calculated. That means... Well. You do the math.

So are you saying that the majority of sales comes through pre-ordering? Giving a pre-order incentive by using DLC is not a loss if it was factored into the budget. Only way it would actually be a loss, is if they did not originally plan on giving pre-order people free dlc.

[AngryFrozenWater]

leonia42 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I'm going to say this again:

[...]

I'm getting extra goodies of at least a twenty dollar value for nothing extra.

[...]

it is still free content.

Somewhere down the line, someone has to pay. BW has to make a profit (which is great), but I doubt they want to make less profit, especially given the figure involved. 20 dollar per copy is a lot of money to lose.

That's just the risk they take for rewarding their loyal fans who will buy their product on or before 1/11/11.

There is no risk if you know you are planning to lose 20 dollar per copy. It is calculated. That means... Well. You do the math.

The vast majority of the people buying the game will not be pre-ordering. It's an incentive to the folks who will be pre-ordering. Everyone's a winner. Calculated risk is the best kind of risk in business since they, as you say, already know the outcome. If it wasn't an outcome they wanted, they wouldn't be going through with it, would they?

I know what BW teils us. Not everyonne is a winner. Somewhere down the line, someone has to pay for the 20 dollar per copy loss. Thus others will be paying for it, because I highly doubt that they planned to make less profit.

[Dhiro]

Bioware should pay us to play their games.