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[DMC12]

bbfan13 wrote...

I am going ask a silly question that is a bit off topic. How does pre-order work? I have never done it. Is my credit card charged full price today for the game or is it charged the day the game is released? That would certainly impact my opinion of this release. Thanks in advance for your replies.

I'm not familiar with how it works online, but you can always go to your local game store and say, "Hey, I want to pre-order this." Then they take down your phone number, you put down like a $5 deposit for your reserved slot, then they text you when the game comes out and you buy it then.

[nightcobra]

Nighteye2 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
it's a way to incentive players to buy the game fullpriced instead of used or second hand, and you know what? i agree with it since most used games profit doesn't go to bioware but rather the store like gamestop. i'd rather give my money to the people who made the game than the store who sold me the game.

If that was the reason they'd do it like Shale - include the download code in the box for everyone who buys the game new. Available to everyone who buys the game new, regardless if in which country they live or in which store they purchase the game.

it's probably what they're going to do this time around again, there was also an "exclusive" collector edition for origins and shale was one of the features just like how this new bonus character is in the signatured version

[upsettingshorts]

Dhiro wrote...

Bioware should pay us to play their games.

Bioware should pay me to post on the forums. That'd be awesome. I'd gladly become a paid EA shill. You listening up there? Hello?

Ah well.  As it stands I'm just defending them pro bono.  Except for the silly big swords.  Those suck.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:26 .

[bucknut07]

Thank you Bioware for the Bioware Signiture Edition of DA2. You didn't have to release one at all and you didn't have to sell it for the same price as the standard edition but you did anyway.



Thank you.

[Akka le Vil]

Meltemph wrote...

I don't plan on buying anything in advance. i've got a brain and I use it, and it means that, as usual, I wait until the game is released and THEN makes my mind.

So someone who trusts that Bioware(Or any company of choice, Bungie for example) is going to make a quality game that they like, according to you, is not using their brain? Well aren't you as sweet as ever.

Not necessarily. Many can have a good case of faith - Bioware has a decent enough record about making good games, so it's not unjustifyable, even if it's still a leap of faith. I don't go with the idea of "I'm not sure yet if it'll be a good game, but I trust X enough so that I'll risk my money and pre-order it", but I can accept it.

My point about having a brain was probably poorly worded, but it simply meant that I don't pass a definite judgement over the quality of a game in advance - I may have intuition, suspicion, good/bad feelings and the like, but I don't make a final statement until I've the actual data necessary to be reasonably able to do it.

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:38 .

[Meltemph]

Well I have yet to be burned by any of my pre-order decisions. I don't think it is as hard of a job, figuring out if you will like a game, as some may think it is. However, I've always liked a lot of games that are very different from each other. I guess for someone who is looking for a very specific type of game, I could see not trusting Bioware as a developer, but I however, do not have to worry about that.

Modifié par Meltemph, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:45 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Saibh wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Good lord. When I saw this thread, I was happy, because, despite lingering sadness over not getting awesome goodies like DAO's cloth map, I am getting free content.

You know. Free. Without extra cost. Just for pre-ordering, which is what I was going to do anyway, only this time, without an extra dime on my part, they're adding special new goodies. Sure, it's an incentive to pre-order now rather than later, but it's still free of goddamn charge.

So, I'm disappointed by this thread. Why not make a "Screw You BioWare for Giving Us Free Stuff" thread? Go complain there. I'm grateful.

EDIT: You know, I'd also like to note that "loyalty" is characterized by "faith". If you have reservations, wait. Even if this game is not good, I am loyal to BioWare because I have faith in them. They've never let me down.

"Faith"

Lol, there's that word again.

Oh well, some people will buy with faith in hand, some with facts. I just don't think those who wait for facts ( reviews ) should get dinged.

But you're not. You're just not being rewarded.

You are not being punished. Not getting a new NPC is not a punishment. Shale is not major in-game content. Neither was Zaeed or Kasumi.

Those who trust that BioWare will, as they always have, produce a stellar game are being rewarded. I have more faith in this than some people because of how little we know about the game. We have until January 11, 2011 (01/11/11 to make it stick in your head, I guess?) to make up our minds. I'm sure we'll get more information by then. If you decide, oh well, it's not enough, and wait until release to purchase online, you pay the same amount, but no extra complimentary content.

Sure you are, don't  pony up the money months before release and just trust that the game won't end up consolized mess on the PC? Don't get the extra character or gear that's most likely already on the disc to begin with. I'm sorry but going on blind faith is flat out ridiculous.  Though I constantly keep forgetting the Social site has turned into the "praise every design and marketing decision site" God forbid anyone has any doubts about some of the design choices made, those people are just haters who aren't loyal Bioware fans. Just ask Dave or AngryPants.

[Dave of Canada]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Just ask Dave or AngryPants.

I love you too.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:42 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Bioware should pay us to play their games.

Bioware should pay me to post on the forums. That'd be awesome. I'd gladly become a paid EA shill. You listening up there? Hello?

Ah well.  As it stands I'm just defending them pro bono.  Except for the silly big swords.  Those suck.

You mean you're not a paid shill already? Could have fooled me.

[DMC12]

Where the hell are all these anti pre-order crusaders coming from? Do you pay the full price up front where you're from or something? Or does it have something to do with buying online? I know I can walk into Gamestop and say, "Hey, beatnik, I heard this game sucks... Put my five bucks on Ghost Recon instead." At any time, no less.

Modifié par DMC12, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:51 .

[Dave of Canada]

DMC12 wrote...

Where the hell are all these anti pre-order crusaders coming from? Do you pay the full price up front where you're from or something? Or does it have something to do with buying online? I know I can walk into Gamestop and say, "Hey, beatnik, I heard this game sucks... Put my five bucks on Ghost Recon instead." At any time, no less.

I explained this in the other thread, however it just lead to people saying that they want to wait for the game to be out a while before buying or something.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:54 .

[Daewan]

Please be civil so the thread doesn't get locked... again...

[Patriciachr34]

Dave, you're my hero!
UpsettingShorts...Here, have some positive waves on me!:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[AngryFrozenWater]

Meltemph wrote...

There is no risk if you know you are planning to lose 20 dollar per copy. It is calculated. That means... Well. You do the math.

So are you saying that the majority of sales comes through pre-ordering? Giving a pre-order incentive by using DLC is not a loss if it was factored into the budget. Only way it would actually be a loss, is if they did not originally plan on giving pre-order people free dlc.

No. I don't say that all. My stance is that somewhere down the line someone has to pay for a planned loss of 20 dollar per copy. The logical implication is that you should buy the Signature Edition or not buy any version of the game at all (unless you want to pay part of the 20 dollar that some else got). I am not sure which one of the two I'll opt for yet.

[Maverick827]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

I'm sorry but going on blind faith is flat out ridiculous.

I agree, doing many things on blind faith is flat out ridiculous.  But there's a line where the ramifications are just so small that it doesn't really matter.  That line, in case you were wondering, is located precisely at the small sum of five dollars.

I would gladly pay five dollars solely to differentiate myself from someone like you.

[Meltemph]

pay for a planned loss of 20 dollar per copy.

Again, where are you getting that it is a loss? That is actually what my question was about, sorry for the confusion.

[.shea.]

Just pre-ordered mine from a local Gamestop, thanks Bioware. "Only" 5 months to go...

[AngryFrozenWater]

Meltemph wrote...

pay for a planned loss of 20 dollar per copy.

Again, where are you getting that it is a loss? That is actually what my question was about, sorry for the confusion.

It's not hard. If the product is worth X+20 dollar, but you pay only X, then obviously the one who receives the money has a loss of 20.

[Haristo]

Will be pre-ordered Thuesday when i'll get my Fallout New Vegas ! BioWare Rock !

[nightcobra]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

pay for a planned loss of 20 dollar per copy.

Again, where are you getting that it is a loss? That is actually what my question was about, sorry for the confusion.

It's not hard. If the product is worth X+20 dollar, but you pay only X, then obviously the one who receives the money has a loss of 20.

which means that they can also profit if the preordering goes well. 

[Meltemph]

It's not hard. If the product is worth X+20 dollar, but you pay only X, then obviously the one who receives the money has a loss of 20.

It is not that simple. If they factored in the sales of the pre-orders and that was part of their budget, then if they met the pre-order sales they desired, then it would be a profit and not a loss. It would only be a loss if they actually lost money out of the deal.

Modifié par Meltemph, 15 octobre 2010 - 07:19 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Meltemph wrote...

pay for a planned loss of 20 dollar per copy.

Again, where are you getting that it is a loss? That is actually what my question was about, sorry for the confusion.

I think Angry might be talking about used sales having to pay the 15 extra for the content. Not that Bioware or EA gets any money at all aside from that 15 bucks on used sales. Thats pure profit for Gamestop.

[Meltemph]

Since there's so many anguished and dubious souls concerning the Pre-Order (in a topic that's thanking BW for the SE edition), maybe BioWare can come up with a Post-Order deal: you pay nothing, get nothing and are fully guaranteed to get your money's worth. But the caveat will be that you'll have to pay to complain about it.

Eh, I doubt it. You could be right, but these are the near the same complaints and about the same amount as last time.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Meltemph wrote...

It's not hard. If the product is worth X+20 dollar, but you pay only X, then obviously the one who receives the money has a loss of 20.

It is not that simple. If they factored in the sales of the pre-orders and that was part of their budget, then if they met the pre-order sales they desired, then it would be a profit and not a loss. It would only be a loss if they actually lost money out of the deal.

It is even more complex than that. The initial period of pre-ordering (right from the start up to about half of it) only results in very few copies being sold. I think the Signature Edition idea may be designed to try to correct that curve. The time after that is a boost in sales, similar to the one right after the release. If the Signature Edition contains exclusive stuff then it is a risk trying it out, because that extra stuff is not being sold in any other period. Thus, I think it is a loss that needs to be paid by others later on. You can see such graphs (involving DVD pre-orders as a sample) here.