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[Elana Eden]

I'm going to confess that I find the concept of Garrus/Shepard romance strange because Garrus looks like he could kill Shepard if Garrus isn't wearing his armor. Seriously, the Cerberus extranets alluded to this with their talk of a "horror movie" about an evil turian killing humans with its "razor like claws." I actually think turians wear armor to look less threatening to other aliens, since armor covers up their sharp edges.

I'm actually surprised the game, especially ME1, didn't make more about the turians' physical features influencing human reaction during first contact. I never read the books, so I don't know if there's any detail about human reaction to turian features. Garrus and other turians look sinister. Those glowing, beady eyes. Those claws. Those knifelike teeth (you won't keep your tongue if you French Garrus). If you're chilling around Shanxi and you see something that looks like a sapient velociraptor coming towards you, wouldn't you automatically reach for your gun?

I've been imagining hand to hand combat involving a turian biting off someone's arm, and the occupied humans of Shanxi thinking the turians want to eat them because they look so predatory. Not only that, but turians don't really have facial expressions, and I personally think even perpetually-fixed expression humans look creepy: I despise
clowns, mimes, and human-analog puppets. We use expressions to judge intent and state of mind, and that option is just not available with turians. Everything about their appearance just primes a fight or flight response, in this human anyway.I'm sure in the ME universe having access to translators helped out with the "let's all be friends" thing, but anything more than that? Not so sure, and I thought that part of the game was a little unlikely.

Just to be sure: Garrus and my Shepard are friends, but she's not going to find out if he's an angry drunk (no visiting Kasumi's bar with him).

So, for those of you who romanced Garrus, was this in spite of this option looking like a fatal undertaking? Or do you just like living on the edge?

P.S. I do think it's kind of funny that salarians sort of look like our idea of aliens, especially around the eyes . I can imagine first contact with them ending badly, too, especially if we thought they were intent on probes and microchips.

Modifié par Elana Eden, 15 octobre 2010 - 04:58 .

[AntiChri5]

Turians do not have claws, if they did they couldn't use tools as well. A human is more likely to bite than a turian and the first contact war was started ship-to-ship, with no body looking at anybody elses face. Turian faces are far more expressive than you think.

[Babli]

Elana Eden wrote...
So, for those of you who romanced Garrus, was this in spite of this option looking like a fatal undertaking? Or do you just like living on the edge?

I romanced him in my first playthrough because I have canon FemShep. Why? Well, lets take a look at my possibilities...

Thane...I like him. But not that much
Tali... I tried to romance her...then I find out that there are no lesbian romances. Which was pretty bad since Tali is obviously interested in FemShep too...
Jacob... do I need to explain why not him?
Garrus... amount all of possibilities it felt the most natural to me. He and my FemShep have been through a lot together in first and second ME. And I really like his character.

Modifié par Babli, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:07 .

[CheeseEnchilada]

I romanced Garrus with my pure Renegade Shepard. With the glowing scars and red eyes, I figure we both look like beacons of death. As for turian physiology, my Shepard has gone through so many implants (heavy bone and muscle weaves, anyone?) that I think she could romance a krogan and be alright.



A very interesting question; I hadn't thought in depth about this before!

[Giggles_Manically]

My femshep romance him because he was there for her no matter what, and he is awesome incarnate.

[Elana Eden]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Turians do not have claws, if they did they couldn't use tools as well. A human is more likely to bite than a turian and the first contact war was started ship-to-ship, with no body looking at anybody elses face. Turian faces are far more expressive than you think.

Turians have implied expressions...I'm trying to remember some movie experiment the Russians did in the early Soviet era, where they had this guy (we'll call him "Ivan") standing around. His expression never changed, and they juxtaposed him with images of emotion-tugging scenes, like a granddaughter playing with a cat, or another scene with a funeral. The experiment revealed that people thought Ivan was the greatest actor ever, even though his faced never moved. That's how turians seem to be as well, because they have tones of voice and body language gestures, so we might "read" the appropriate emotions, but they don't do smiles, frowns, winks, narrowed eyes, widened eyes, pouts or cheek twitches. You're forced to go by their tone of voice to guage their emotions.

When I mentioned the claws, that's what they appear to have in the concept drawings. Certainly their bare hands appear to be "sharp and pointy." 

Anyhow, am I the only one who perceives their appearance as sinister? The popularity of Garrus as a romance option made me wonder about this.

[Twilight_Princess]

If this isn't a smile I don't know what is

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:29 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

My FemShep romanced Thane. I tried Garrus once but couldn't continue. In all honesty, he feels too much of a buddy to me. I can't see him to be anything more than that.

That being said, I have asked myself the exact same question as you, Eden. You'd think turian bodies aren't exactly suitable for a human.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 15 octobre 2010 - 05:45 .

[AntiChri5]

Elana Eden wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Turians do not have claws, if they did they couldn't use tools as well. A human is more likely to bite than a turian and the first contact war was started ship-to-ship, with no body looking at anybody elses face. Turian faces are far more expressive than you think.

Turians have implied expressions...I'm trying to remember some movie experiment the Russians did in the early Soviet era, where they had this guy (we'll call him "Ivan") standing around. His expression never changed, and they juxtaposed him with images of emotion-tugging scenes, like a granddaughter playing with a cat, or another scene with a funeral. The experiment revealed that people thought Ivan was the greatest actor ever, even though his faced never moved. That's how turians seem to be as well, because they have tones of voice and body language gestures, so we might "read" the appropriate emotions, but they don't do smiles, frowns, winks, narrowed eyes, widened eyes, pouts or cheek twitches. You're forced to go by their tone of voice to guage their emotions.

When I mentioned the claws, that's what they appear to have in the concept drawings. Certainly their bare hands appear to be "sharp and pointy." 

Anyhow, am I the only one who perceives their appearance as sinister? The popularity of Garrus as a romance option made me wonder about this.

Their faces do actually make expressions. Their brow plates can move ect.... Look at Warden Kuril next time you enter Purgatory. And do you not remember the Mandible twitch Nihlus does in ME 1?

[Liec]

Do not underestimate the power of sexy voices.

[Giggles_Manically]

His romance is also sweet and hilarious at the same time.

[Blackbelt749]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

My FemShep romanced Thane. I tried Garrus once but couldn't continue. In all honestly, he feels too much of a buddy to me. I can't see him to be anything more than that.

That being said, I have asked myself the exact same question as you, Eden. You'd think turian bodies aren't exactly suitable for a human.

Chaffing. Mordin does offer ointments for it though.

I have a save for each romance-able character, and honestly, Garrus was my favorite because of the way his character was revealed. This badass that can hold off 3 merc gangs at once, stumbling and stuttering, was awesome to see. And the head bump at the end gets a lot of criticism, but honestly, that scene didn't need a make-out part. It was a great scene, and very touching. 

Honestly, what made me romance him was I found out here on the boards that he was romance-able. I didn't realize it at first (of course, I mostly play with a male Shepard), but had to see it. (oddly enough, the same thing happened with Jack. It never occured to me you could romance her.)

[UnDutchable]

Yeah, turians have a lot of expressions that look just like their human counterparts. I'm pretty sure Lilihierax on Noveria and that turian shopkeeper on the Citadel also laugh with their mandibles wide open.

I don't really think turians are that threatening, either. I can see that they're predators, and that they could probably rip an average human to shreds, but at the same time I can't help but think of them as parrot-cat people. It doesn't help that their faces kind of look like they're stuck in the :3 kittyface smiley.

For me personally, I don't really care what Garrus looks like because he's a fictional character. As long as he's not genuinely repulsive and I can find something to identify with, I don't find it hard to imagine romancing him. Maybe it's because I watched Disney's Beauty and the Beast so often when I was a kid?

[Schneidend]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Turians do not have claws, if they did they couldn't use tools as well. A human is more likely to bite than a turian and the first contact war was started ship-to-ship, with no body looking at anybody elses face. Turian faces are far more expressive than you think.

Turians do have claws, and talons, actually. One of the human news reporters/photographers arrested on Taetrus in the Cerberus Daily News reports struggled against the arresting soldiers and had a major artery nicked by one of their claws. Without proper medical supplies available for treating humans, he quickly bled out and died.

[AntiChri5]

Look at Garrus's hands. Do those look like Claws to you?

[Saibh]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Look at Garrus's hands. Do those look like Claws to you?

He We never see an ungloved turian. But, yeah, it's pretty apparent that most of them have talons.

...You are being sarcastic?

Modifié par Saibh, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:18 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

The whole concept of a Turian/human romance is creepy, quite frankly. With the Asari at least it makes some sense because they look very much like human females. The Turians however, are very alien. They basically look like raptors and have mandibles, talons and metallic skin.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:06 .

[Schneidend]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Look at Garrus's hands. Do those look like Claws to you?

Garrus' hands are covered in clothing at all times. They have claws. There's really nothing to argue here. It's a factual part of turian anatomy.

06/17/2010 - Events Surrounding Journalists' Detainment Explained

“Commander Lahere Dianix held a press conference today regarding the
death of human journalist Grant Keyes on Taetrus. He now says that four
soldiers in the Tenth Mechanized Infantry forced the journalist's car
off the road, questioned Keyes, and attempted to arrest him. A scuffle
ensued, and the turians' claws nicked the carotid artery of his
camerawoman, Letha Maragos, while restraining her. Keyes became violent
and was shot in the leg -- both humans were taken into custody where
first Maragos and then Keyes died. The turians lacked supplies and human
blood or a viable substitute, and could not perform a transfusion.
Asked if charges will be brought against the patrol, Dianix replied,
"Turians are not as litigious as humans. The matter will be resolved
shortly."”


10/14/2010 - Horror Simulstims Dominate Galactic Box Office

“The weekend box office is in, and audiences paid to be horrified.
Salarian shocker "The Jar" played on the universal modern fear of being
trapped in a simulstim to the tune of 2.05 billion creds; "Talons," on
the other hand, played on the human fear of turians rending human
throats with their razor claws, scaring up 1.86 billion and not a little
controversy. At third was the counter-programming "The 840-Year-Old
Virgin," whose romp through the life of an impossibly nerdy asari netted
a handy 1.43 billion. Coming in fourth was the low-budget "Binder,"
which answered the question: "Who exactly binds the books covered in
human skin in all those other horror movies?" If you never wondered
this, you're not alone -- only 998 million credits went to this cerebral
chiller.”

[Saibh]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

The whole concept of a Turian/human romance is creepy, quite frankly. With the Asari at least it makes some sense because they look very much like human females. The Turians however, are very alien. They basically look like raptors and have mandibles, talons and metallic skin.

Thane is my favorite--but I'm not attracted to him, except for the voice. Same with Garrus. To me, none of the romances are real. The humans are still pixels. Shepard is still a fictional character made up of polygons. Because of this, I don't have much of a problem with the humanoid aliens. If it were live action, with a live action Shepard and a CG Garrus or Thane or Tali, I'd be considerably more Squicked. None of them are real, so it's not really a matter of attraction. I mostly just ignore their appearances, or at least find them interesting to look at.

My favorite romance ever is Alistair from DAO. I could see where in real life he would be attractive--but I'm not attracted to him. He's not real. I can look at both Zevran and Alistair and judge them by their looks and say who is actually better-looking to me, but, again, neither of them are attractive. There are limitations.

Garrus is on the very end of what I'm willing to accept as an alien love interest. Once they start looking more alien than him, it's gotten to be too much.

Schneidend wrote...

"Who exactly binds the books covered in human skin in all those other horror movies?" If you never wondered this, you're not alone -- only 998 million credits went to this cerebral chiller.”

I want to know the answer to this.

Our hair?

Modifié par Saibh, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:26 .

[Saibh]

double

Modifié par Saibh, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:25 .

[SurelyForth]

I'm playing ME2 for the first time after whipping through ME at the beginning of the week and I am so hellbent on my FemShep romancing Garrus, I don't think any amount of pointy, death causing body parts could stop me. I was very frustrated to discover that the only male LI in the first game was Kaidan who just does nothing for me, despite being technically handsome and inoffensive.



Now why Garrus? For one thing...he's a total badass. For another, he's a solid personality. He does what needs to be done and doesn't give Shepard crap for doing what she needs to do. After I finished ME I was considering staying faithful to Liara, but that first encounter with him pretty much sold me on him as an LI. Not only was it cool, but he more than anyone else seems to genuinely appreciate what Shepard accomplished in ME and is willing to trust her to the end. I dig that in a guy. That and a hot voice, which he definitely has.



Also, did I mention badass? All of my companions are wearing their implausible gear or pristine Ceberus issue uniforms and Garrus is in his blasted up vigilante armor that out-awesomes everyone.

[Saibh]

SurelyForth wrote...

I'm playing ME2 for the first time after whipping through ME at the beginning of the week and I am so hellbent on my FemShep romancing Garrus, I don't think any amount of pointy, death causing body parts could stop me. I was very frustrated to discover that the only male LI in the first game was Kaidan who just does nothing for me, despite being technically handsome and inoffensive.

Now why Garrus? For one thing...he's a total badass. For another, he's a solid personality. He does what needs to be done and doesn't give Shepard crap for doing what she needs to do. After I finished ME I was considering staying faithful to Liara, but that first encounter with him pretty much sold me on him as an LI. Not only was it cool, but he more than anyone else seems to genuinely appreciate what Shepard accomplished in ME and is willing to trust her to the end. I dig that in a guy. That and a hot voice, which he definitely has.

Also, did I mention badass? All of my companions are wearing their implausible gear or pristine Ceberus issue uniforms and Garrus is in his blasted up vigilante armor that out-awesomes everyone.

I will say that, if you get Shadow Broker, staying faithful to Liara is really worth it. Much more than the VS. Of course, you can import a save twice.

[SurelyForth]

Saibh wrote...

I will say that, if you get Shadow Broker, staying faithful to Liara is really worth it. Much more than the VS. Of course, you can import a save twice.

That's what I've heard. The problem is that the character I'm playing was supposed to romance Kaidan and move on to Garrus, but she got ninja loved by Liara, so I went with it. We have no real attachment to Liara, besides me liking her a little more than Kaidan, so I'm going to have another character stay with her.

[Daewan]

In a Turian-Human relationship in the ME universe, it's important to remember that Humans are the savages here. Yes, Turians may have pointy claws that can accidentally rip our tender skin. However, watching Shepard take out those two Turians during Samara's loyalty mission should remind you that Humans are far from weak, helpless, mewling kittens. See also, Shepard taking on Saren hand-to-hand, in case you're not convinced.

Turians are still flesh and (blue) blood. They take showers. They talk. They're generally quite civilized. Even Saren, in his temper tantrum, didn't actually harm his Asari girlfriend. Turians have a few hundred years more of spacefaring than Humanity, and a few more hundreds of years of civilization as well.

tl;dr? Garrus is the one who should be scared that Shepard will start smacking him around like they do in all those Human songs.

Binding: people have been tanning human hide and using it like leather since the dawn of time. Forget the books, there are a few churches in England that have human skin on the doors.

[Aphexgeek]

Personally my FemShep romanced Garrus as it was less of a physical thing and more about 2 people finding a mutual respect/caring and need for each other, Garrus' awkwardness and the headbump actually made more sense from that perspective 

AntiChri5 wrote...

Their faces do actually make expressions. Their brow plates can move ect.... Look at Warden Kuril next time you enter Purgatory. And do you not remember the Mandible twitch Nihlus does in ME 1?

That was one of the best, subtle and ingenious animations to convey 'non-human' emotion i've ever seen in a game!!!!

Modifié par Aphexgeek, 15 octobre 2010 - 08:39 .