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[Benzboysl500]

***So I didn't search too hard to see if this post already existed so let me know and if it does I will delete it...***

Because I love the classic what if questions, what if you where to take a well built equal level 35 warriors mastered all of their particular weapon masteries and where each equipped in the same armor w/ same accessories except the weapons that they wield no potions, no slaves, no boosts out side of their weapon specialize. No templar, champion, reaver, berserker, spirit warrior or guardian. Who wins in the one on one fights between, the two handed warrior, the dual wielder, or the sword and shield? I kind feel like this would be like a rock, paper, scissor type play out. One is better to beat another but, weak against the other. I don't really like sword and board so I would put my bets on dual wielder or two hand but thats imo.... what's yours?

[termokanden]

Probably the first that manages to stun or knock down the other.

I don't really know which would be fastest though. At first I thought maybe DW attacks such as Riposte would be fastest, but then again Pommel Strike is also quite fast. Then again, you can become immune to knockdown if you are an S&S warrior.

I'm going to go with a 2h warrior with a bit of luck actually. They have attacks that work BEFORE you reach the target (forgot what it's called, it attacks in a cone towards the target). Furthermore, with Stunning Blows you have a 50% chance to stun. Once you get one stun in, the other would probably be dead very quickly.

Modifié par termokanden, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:13 .

[DWSmiley]

The two-hander should win most of the time.  These guys are heavily armored so the dual wielder loses the dps advantage he has vs. most monsters because of the superior armor penetration of the Great Maul.  Add in Indomitable and there's your winner.

Great evalution of warrior builds here:
http://social.biowar...6/index/2761368

Modifié par DWSmiley, 15 octobre 2010 - 06:48 .

[Benzboysl500]

The two hander would probably win, I do still like to think it would be some epic battles to see if they were done right. I do have to wonder about the backstab and flanking as well as the injuries that dw can inflict, how often it is possible to swing and miss as a two hander or the fact you cant flank a s&s on the shield side. I have always wanted to test my warden against other wardens I see on the site like my DW spirit warrior vs one of the pure strenght two handers or some over armored mages.

[termokanden]

There are only two warriors. You're not going to be able to flank the other. Furthermore, you can't backstab as a warrior.

[Mccoyn1990]

I say the unknown Archer joins in and Kills everyone. Muahhahahahaa

[VampireCommando]

The Shield and sword warrior because shield wall shrugs off most, if not all of the damage, there for winning the bout.

Modifié par VampireCommando, 15 octobre 2010 - 08:27 .

[termokanden]

VampireCommando wrote...

The Shield and sword warrior because shield wall shrugs off most, if not all of the damage, there for winning the bout.

It's 5 armor and 10 defense. Works great against the average darkspawn mook. But against another player?

[soteria]

A high dex dagger and shield warrior would probably win. Given that it's possible to become unhittable by normal attacks, this build would have the highest armor and defense and would deal more damage than a dex 2h warrior. A dex dw warrior would still be vulnerable to knockdowns (heh, assuming the other warrior could even land one). Point is, I doubt a max strength 2h warrior could even hit a max dex build at level 35.

[ashwind]

2H warriors has Indomitable, meaning, no stun, no knockdown. Sunder Arms, Sunder Armor, 120% Maul Strength modifier... Destroyer - every hit sunders armor... 2H weapon penetration power.... OUCH!



1 on 1... I think DW / SS warrior are better off fighter each other and avoid the 2H Warrior all together.



ps: Sunders will never miss, Pommel will never miss.

[termokanden]

soteria wrote...

dex 2h warrior

I didn't just read this. There's no such thing

Point is, I doubt a max strength 2h warrior could even hit a max dex build at level 35.

Good point. Everybody can become unhittable though. Question is then who has a special attack that ignores defense. I don't really remember if there is such a thing for the player character.

If nobody even has one, this fight isn't going to be won or lost at all.

[Elhanan]

How about a DW/Archer hybrid; can kill at any range?

[soteria]

I didn't just read this. There's no such thing

You're right. There's no such thing as player versus player, either, though, so who can say what sort of builds people might use for it?

Good point. Everybody can become unhittable though. Question is then who has a special attack that ignores defense. I don't really remember if there is such a thing for the player character.

I believe the sword and shield talents don't have a defense check--just physical resist. The stun on shield pummel always hits, and stunned targets lose their dex bonus to defense. Riposte is not nearly as reliable, and the sword and shield warrior is immune to knockdowns. The only question is if he can do enough damage to overcome health regen from gear.

How about a DW/Archer hybrid; can kill at any range?

Eh, I don't know. It's hard to call given that you can't attack and move at the same time in DA, but neither archery nor DW has knockdown immunity, players are immune to AoS, and all archer specials are slow to wind up.

Of course, the whole fight could come down to whoever lands more lucky poison/paralysis procs (another point against archers). I'm not really considering Awakening characters, though. I just don't know their abilities well enough except to say that the archer would probably dominate.

[termokanden]

soteria wrote...

I didn't just read this. There's no such thing

You're right. There's no such thing as player versus player, either, though, so who can say what sort of builds people might use for it?

No no. What I meant is that a dex based 2h warrior is blasphemy

If you don't buy that, it's kind of obvious that 2h doesn't work well with high dex and low strength, considering damage scaling and physical resist difficulty of their attacks work only with strength. You'd be better off with daggers and another build for sure.

Modifié par termokanden, 18 octobre 2010 - 01:10 .

[DWSmiley]

The two hander will do a lot more damage than the dex S&S while Perfect Striking is active and it is 15s active, 30s cooldown. I, too, don't know the Awakanings talents well enough to comment on them. Combat in DAA is so easy that one doesn't need to learn well what the talents do.

[soteria]

No no. What I meant is that a dex based 2h warrior is blasphemy

Ah, well, in that case, I agree 100%.

The two hander will do a lot more damage than the dex S&S while Perfect Striking is active and it is 15s active, 30s cooldown.

That's true, but two points counter that--first, the S&S can also activate perfect striking, and while he will do less damage, the dagger will have an advantage in landing paralysis rune procs. Second, nothing is stopping either warrior from just running away when he sees perfect striking pop up. Of course, this just highlights once again how DA wasn't designed with PvP in mind. You'd almost have to have some sort of gentleman's agreement barring certain behaviors.

Combat in DAA is so easy that one doesn't need to learn well what the talents do.

Sad, but true. Some of the abilities looked interesting, too, but I never felt like it was worth using them what with how quickly every fight ended.

[Elhanan]

Based on this concept, I bet on the Rogue w/Stealth.....

[BootOnFace]

I would have to say 2H, mainly because stunning blows and immunity to knockdown and stun.

[Benzboysl500]

So as my two hander build is almost to lvl 35 now I am not sure he could beat my lvl 35 dw even with using the tome exploit I am not sure that he could win just but the way I feel they play. I could easily being playing the two hander wrong but I am not sure anymore.

[Cynical_Wanderer]

soteria wrote...

A high dex dagger and shield warrior would probably win. Given that it's possible to become unhittable by normal attacks, this build would have the highest armor and defense and would deal more damage than a dex 2h warrior. A dex dw warrior would still be vulnerable to knockdowns (heh, assuming the other warrior could even land one). Point is, I doubt a max strength 2h warrior could even hit a max dex build at level 35.

I was lead to believe that Sweeping Strike autocrit shockwave ignores defense - in case the target is immune to knockdowns, there's the Stunning Blows stun proc from the crit. A high-dex sns warrior would either have to use light armour, which means he'd be done in two crits, or sacrifice defense and become hittable by regular attacks to gain resistance to damage. This kind of balances it out.

Also, Pommel Strikes ignore defense\\dodge. Only physical resistance and immunity - shield wall, Indominable, or size (or the 20% rogue talent) can stop it.

Modifié par Cynical_Wanderer, 14 novembre 2010 - 12:18 .