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[silentassassin264]

vilnii wrote...

The OP addressed his question to developers who are deliberately ignoring this thread

9 full pages in and still no comment to address his question...

Well to be honest, it is because it is not a fact that Morrigan and Alistair are related.  Plus, I doubt they would want to comment on that right now because if they do confirm that then Gaider loses his excuse of why there is no Bethany romance.  Once that happens there will be a gazillion Bethany romance threads and Gaider will have to force choke people through the internet.

[Dave of Canada]

vilnii wrote...

The OP addressed his question to developers who are deliberately ignoring this thread

9 full pages in and still no comment to address his question...

So? It's a question they might not be willing to answer? Fan speculation wouldn't exist if developers were going everywhere answering questions.

[Riona45]

Right, they don't *have* to answer any particular question.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

It always seemed to me that Alistair is NOT Fiona's kid due to the messed up timeline. Maric had sex with Fiona after being all sad and depressed after Rowan's death. Alistair was born while Rowan was still alive, iirc.

According to the book Fiona and Maric got together after Queen Rowan died, and Cailan was 5 years old.  Fiona's child was born after Queen Rowan died, not before.  Maric was depressed and went with the Grey Wardens into the deep roads, the entrances on the map that a player can't access down by the Kocari Wilds.  I think they went to Orzammar first then onto the tunnel entrances.  Morrigan also mentions how the wilds were flooded with darkspawn at Flemeth's hut and they erupted from underground.  Its implied that Fiona is Alistair's mother, its just not confirmed. 

Maric was also involved with another woman or elf in the "Stolen Throne".  Fiona and Maric get involved in the book "The Calling".  Fiona brings her child along with Duncan's help and gives their son over to Maric.  It was Fiona's wish that their son have the opportunity to choose his own life and not be tied to his parent's lives. 

Maric and Rowan had doubts on getting married.  Maric was involved with three woman besides Rowan that I recall.  Maybe four.  Rowan also had an affair with Loghain before she married Maric. 

Another clue that people are forgetting is the solider that you rescue from a chanter's board quest in Denerim. Rexel and what he says when you question him.  Alistair cuts into that conversation and doesn't want the player to question Rexel to closely.  Maybe Rexel is Morrigan's father.

It's also not confirmed that Flemeth is actually Morrigan's mother.   Maybe Morrigan was hatched!  

I think it's open ended for the player to rp how they choose.  

Personally, I don't think Flemeth and Maric got it on, I think they discussed what was going to happen in Ferelden.  She could have asked for Maric to sleep with another daughter that she had, it doesn't have to be Morrigan.   I think Flemeth and Morrigan needed Calenhad's bloodline for other reasons given.  Go back and read your codex entries on the chasind, and Calenhad, and notice too, what the Ash warrior tells the player at Ostagar.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:17 .

[CuzImShort]

Dear Holy Maker's hard nipples..... this theory(and majority of this thread) makes me want to drench my brain in ACID. Why does this theory exist? I have a feeling no Dev will answer this question, because they're too utterly speechless at how someone could come up with a theory like this. Someone pass me some acid now, so that I may insert some through my ear and hope it eats through to my brain. Please.

When it comes to the million of theories floating about, some makes sense, but this is one of those that makes me do a double-take and say, 'Wuhhhhh?' I've read both books and never saw anything that implied Flemeth and Maric rolled in oats, if you get my drift. The reference to what Flemeth and Maric were doing seemed to be answered in The Calling and nothing sexual was implied. Just Flemeh discussing the future and giving Maric cryptic messages. I would think if something even remotely sexual happened, it would have been indicated more strongly other than, 'Maric's face was horrified'. Anything could make Marrc react like that. Like, idk... learning what may happen to his country... or learning he won't live to see the next blight... or Loghain might horribly betray him in the future. Frankly, if that were the case, if I were Maric, I would have done more than look horrified. I would was ran off screaming and let the wolves eat me. (Unless Flemeth took the form of DA2 Flemeth. That would probably be less horrific. LOL)

And the implications this theory makes for the dark ritual... that's more than dark, it's disgusting. Bad enough I made Alistair sleep with another woman and make an Old God Baby, but now I made him do it with his 'half-sister' and made an in-breed Old God Baby? *shivers* I may have unintentionally screwed Theda over. Opps... going back to all my games and just sacrficing my Wardens. kthx

To this theory, I'll say: 'Let's not make mountains out of mole hills.' Don't read inbetween the lines when there is nothing to be read.

[Leonia]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote..
It's also not confirmed that Flemeth is actually Morrigan's mother. Maybe Morrigan was hatched!

Best. Theory. Ever!

Though yeah, 'tis true that even Morrigan isn't convinced that Flemeth is her biological mother.

And wasn't Cailan nine in The Calling? I recall there being some error about his age, a five year difference seems more likely than a nine year difference, in terms of their appearances.

Modifié par leonia42, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:05 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

leonia42 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote..
It's also not confirmed that Flemeth is actually Morrigan's mother. Maybe Morrigan was hatched!

Best. Theory. Ever!

Though yeah, 'tis true that even Morrigan isn't convinced that Flemeth is her biological mother.

And wasn't Cailan nine in The Calling? I recall there being some error about his age, a five year difference seems more likely than a nine year difference, in terms of their appearances.

Yeah, there was a mistake on Cailan's age.   Mr. Gaider confirmed that Cailan was five when Fiona's child was born and not nine as the The Calling says.   I guess it was an edit error.  It wasn't corrected before the book went to print.

[Astfgl]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
I think they went to Orzammar first then onto the tunnel entrances.

They found the sealed entrance on the surface, so there was no need to go all the way to Orzammar ))

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Maric and Rowan had doubts on getting married.  Maric was involved with three woman besides Rowan that I recall.  Maybe four. 

Hm. I don't remember any other women along Maric exept Rowan, Katriel and Fiona... Where did I miss the other one or two?

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Another clue that people are forgetting is the solider that you rescue from a chanter's board quest in Denerim

The one who mumbles about a witch? Seems he met her fleeing Ostagar, not earlier...

leonia42 wrote...
And wasn't Cailan nine in The Calling? I
recall there being some error about his age, a five year difference
seems more likely than a nine year difference, in terms of their
appearances.

In my e-book he's five, and it's eight years after Maric was in Orthan theig first time. Though wiki says something quiet different. Something very strange's going on with time in Thedas...

Modifié par Astfgl, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:26 .

[Leonia]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote..
It's also not confirmed that Flemeth is actually Morrigan's mother. Maybe Morrigan was hatched!

Best. Theory. Ever!

Though yeah, 'tis true that even Morrigan isn't convinced that Flemeth is her biological mother.

And
wasn't Cailan nine in The Calling? I recall there being some error
about his age, a five year difference seems more likely than a nine year
difference, in terms of their appearances.

Yeah, there
was a mistake on Cailan's age.   Mr. Gaider confirmed that Cailan was
five when Fiona's child was born and not nine as the The Calling says.  
I guess it was an edit error.  It wasn't corrected before the book went
to print.

Ah ha, I will take note of that then. That greatly impacts an idea I had on a mini-fanfic. Thanks for clarifying!

Hm, I thought it was something like 14 years since he had last been to Ortan Thaig, ok now I'm really confused.

Modifié par leonia42, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:26 .

[Astfgl]

leonia42 wrote...
Hm, I thought it was something like 14 years since he had last been to Ortan Thaig, ok now I'm really confused.

“Are you suggesting what I think you are?” Loghain asked incredulously.
“Eight years ago, both of you traveled in the Deep Roads,” Genevieve explained.


“Don’t you have a young son?” she asked.
“Cailan. He is five years old, yes.”
“Isn’t he without a mother? Perhaps we hear it wrong in Orlais, but my understanding is that the Queen of Ferelden is dead."
<...>
“She is,” he admitted quietly. “Three years, now.”


At least that's what I have in e-book...

Modifié par Astfgl, 17 octobre 2010 - 05:32 .

[Blacklash93]

Was it ever even confirmed that Morrigan really is Flemeth's child? Not just adopted?

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Astfgl wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
I think they went to Orzammar first then onto the tunnel entrances.

They found the sealed entrance on the surface, so there was no need to go all the way to Orzammar ))

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Maric and Rowan had doubts on getting married.  Maric was involved with three woman besides Rowan that I recall.  Maybe four. 

Hm. I don't remember any other women along Maric exept Rowan, Katriel and Fiona... Where did I miss the other one or two?

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Another clue that people are forgetting is the solider that you rescue from a chanter's board quest in Denerim

The one who mumbles about a witch? Seems he met her fleeing Ostagar, not earlier...

leonia42 wrote...
And wasn't Cailan nine in The Calling? I
recall there being some error about his age, a five year difference
seems more likely than a nine year difference, in terms of their
appearances.

In my e-book he's five, and it's eight years after he was in Orthan theig first time. Though wiki says something quiet different. Something very strange's going on with time in Thedas...

Yes Katriel was her name, and wasn't she also an elf?  I think she was.  Didn't she give Maric an amulet to remember her by and didn't she betray Maric to Orlai or something?  

I could be wrong about the Orzammar thing, but I do remember the tunnel entrances.  Didn't they go somewhere or ask a dwarf about the tunnel entrances?  I know they get into the deep roads from the surface, that much I do remember. 

I have a video on saving Rexel and I just replayed that scene from the game.   I get the impression that Rexel is talking about events from "The Calling" when talking about the witch, he says mother can you smell the blood when talking about the swamp.  I always took that to mean when Maric's mother was killed, Maric hids in the Kocari Wilds and isn't this where he first meets Loghain and His father.   My theory on that scene anyway, once again how a player rp's it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Gabey5 wrote...

there is no indication of that.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Was it ever even confirmed that Morrigan really is Flemeth's child? Not just adopted?

No, even Morrigan isn't sure, when you first pick up Morrigan at Flemeth's hut you can ask Morrigan a question....is Flemeth really your mother, I think Morrigan replies something to the effect that she may not have been born from Flemeth's womb, but Flemeth raised Morrigan.  Morrigan doesn't like to be questioned on this either.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Astfgl wrote...

leonia42 wrote...
Hm, I thought it was something like 14 years since he had last been to Ortan Thaig, ok now I'm really confused.

“Are you suggesting what I think you are?” Loghain asked incredulously.
“Eight years ago, both of you traveled in the Deep Roads,” Genevieve explained.


“Don’t you have a young son?” she asked.
“Cailan. He is five years old, yes.”
“Isn’t he without a mother? Perhaps we hear it wrong in Orlais, but my understanding is that the Queen of Ferelden is dead."

“She is,” he admitted quietly. “Three years, now.”


At least that's what I have in e-book...

I think the wiki has the wrong information and this is what is confusing people. 

[Daerog]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

It always seemed to me that Alistair is NOT Fiona's kid due to the messed up timeline. Maric had sex with Fiona after being all sad and depressed after Rowan's death. Alistair was born while Rowan was still alive, iirc.

According to the book Fiona and Maric got together after Queen Rowan died, and Cailan was 5 years old.  Fiona's child was born after Queen Rowan died, not before.  Maric was depressed and went with the Grey Wardens into the deep roads, the entrances on the map that a player can't access down by the Kocari Wilds.  I think they went to Orzammar first then onto the tunnel entrances.  Morrigan also mentions how the wilds were flooded with darkspawn at Flemeth's hut and they erupted from underground.  Its implied that Fiona is Alistair's mother, its just not confirmed. 

Maric was also involved with another woman or elf in the "Stolen Throne".  Fiona and Maric get involved in the book "The Calling".  Fiona brings her child along with Duncan's help and gives their son over to Maric.  It was Fiona's wish that their son have the opportunity to choose his own life and not be tied to his parent's lives. 

Maric and Rowan had doubts on getting married.  Maric was involved with three woman besides Rowan that I recall.  Maybe four.  Rowan also had an affair with Loghain before she married Maric. 

Another clue that people are forgetting is the solider that you rescue from a chanter's board quest in Denerim. Rexel and what he says when you question him.  Alistair cuts into that conversation and doesn't want the player to question Rexel to closely.  Maybe Rexel is Morrigan's father.

It's also not confirmed that Flemeth is actually Morrigan's mother.   Maybe Morrigan was hatched!  

I think it's open ended for the player to rp how they choose.  

Personally, I don't think Flemeth and Maric got it on, I think they discussed what was going to happen in Ferelden.  She could have asked for Maric to sleep with another daughter that she had, it doesn't have to be Morrigan.   I think Flemeth and Morrigan needed Calenhad's bloodline for other reasons given.  Go back and read your codex entries on the chasind, and Calenhad, and notice too, what the Ash warrior tells the player at Ostagar.

I'm confused on why I was quoted. Were you trying to debunk my theory? Nothing you said contradicted what I said. It is said that Alistair may be wrong about his birth, which the player can infer to mean that Alistair is Fiona's kid, but Alistair was said to be born while Rowan was alive and I don't know of a dev quote that dismissed that information by saying that info was wrong.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 17 octobre 2010 - 06:04 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Not trying to debunk your theory, your information was wrong per the lore of the game. It's implied that Fiona is Alistair's mother, it's not proven that she is. Fiona and Maric got together after Rowan died, not before as you stated.

[Daerog]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Not trying to debunk your theory, your information was wrong per the lore of the game. It's implied that Fiona is Alistair's mother, it's not proven that she is. Fiona and Maric got together after Rowan died, not before as you stated.

I did not say Fiona and Maric got together before Rowan died. I said they got together AFTER Rowan died and Alistair was born BEFORE Rowan died. So, Fiona was not Alistair's mother and the maid was in fact Alistair's mother. The game makes his background doubtful, but that doesn't mean that it is and he is Fiona's kid. The timeline does not match up for Alistair to be Fiona's kid. Unless a dev will say that the info in game about Alistair being born while Rowan is alive is wrong, then I can't see how Fiona could be Alistair's mom. Because if Rowan was still alive when Alistair was born and Fiona was Alistair's mom, then that just ruins an entire novel. If Rowan was dead when Alistair was born, then Fiona could be his mom and the game is wrong.

So, either the game made a mistake, the book made a huge mistake, or there is a third kid somewhere.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 17 octobre 2010 - 06:21 .

[aaniadyen]

Thank you -so- much for spoiling that for me, OP.

[Daerog]

aaniadyen wrote...

Thank you -so- much for spoiling that for me, OP.

There is absolutely nothing that supports the idea that Morrigan is Maric's kid or that Maric had sex with Flemeth. Except that Flemeth does have sex with people to have daughters, but the book does not suggest that Maric had sex with Flemeth, just that they were alone for some hours.

[aaniadyen]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Thank you -so- much for spoiling that for me, OP.

There is absolutely nothing that supports the idea that Morrigan is Maric's kid or that Maric had sex with Flemeth. Except that Flemeth does have sex with people to have daughters, but the book does not suggest that Maric had sex with Flemeth, just that they were alone for some hours.

Oh, ok thanks for clearing that up. I know it's a bit unreasonable for me to still have not read the books yet. ><

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Look dude, I'm not looking to get into an argument with you, so don't take it personal.

[Daerog]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Look dude, I'm not looking to get into an argument with you, so don't take it personal.

Sorry, I did not mean to make it sound like I did. I just capitalized words to emphasize what I said, just to clear it up. I did not mean to make it seem like I wanted to start an argument, it just looked like you took what I said the wrong way and I wished to clear it up. Again, sorry if it sounded like I was getting intense, I did not mean for that.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 17 octobre 2010 - 06:37 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

No problem, it's a discussion and speculation that is all.



I got my books out and I noticed from flipping through for info, that Flemeth tells Maric that Loghain is going to betray him, and that Maric won't live to see the blight start. This is why I don't think Flemeth and Maric did the nasty.

[Astfgl]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Astfgl wrote...

leonia42 wrote...
Hm, I thought it was something like 14 years since he had last been to Ortan Thaig, ok now I'm really confused.

“Are you suggesting what I think you are?” Loghain asked incredulously.
“Eight years ago, both of you traveled in the Deep Roads,” Genevieve explained.


“Don’t you have a young son?” she asked.
“Cailan. He is five years old, yes.”
“Isn’t he without a mother? Perhaps we hear it wrong in Orlais, but my understanding is that the Queen of Ferelden is dead."

“She is,” he admitted quietly. “Three years, now.”


At least that's what I have in e-book...

I think the wiki has the wrong information and this is what is confusing people. 

One of my friends said once that her book says the same things wiki does.
I still think it's something to do with the time in Thedas. All the Wardens go through game for about a year, but the Couslands do it for a couple of months or so (if you believe the NPC dialogues).. I belive it's some special ability - Wings of Revenge, no doubt!