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[Face of Evil]

Ah yes, the "godchild is Mordred" theory.



One problem: what indication is there in either of the books that Flemeth slept with Maric?

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 octobre 2010 - 07:02 .

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Perfect-Kenshin wrote...
At the Dalish Elf camp, you can have the Warden put the moves on Cammen or his girlfriend. Both of whom are merely children.

No they are not. They're just really stupid teenagers.

[Wulfram]

Dhiro wrote...

...They are? I would say Cammen is 19-ish or more. He doesn't look like a children to me, neither does his girlfriend.

I assume he's being pedantic about the Dalish not being considered adults until they've got their tattoos.

Which, BTW, would mean that the City Elf Warden is also a child, since marriage is the rite of passage in their people and they never completed it.

[DarthCaine]

Face of Evil wrote...

Ah yes, the "godchild is Mordred" theory.

One problem: what indication is there in either of the books that Flemeth slept with Maric?

In The Stolen Throne, Maric spent the night with Flemeth and was supposed to "promise" something to her.

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Wulfram wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

...They are? I would say Cammen is 19-ish or more. He doesn't look like a children to me, neither does his girlfriend.

I assume he's being pedantic about the Dalish not being considered adults until they've got their tattoos.

Which, BTW, would mean that the City Elf Warden is also a child, since marriage is the rite of passage in their people and they never completed it.

Either way he's being stupid since that still wouldn't qualify as pedophilia. Pedophilia has nothing to do with a culture's definition for adult or child. It's an attraction to prepubescent individuals.

[Face of Evil]

DarthCaine wrote...

In The Stolen Throne, Maric spent the night with Flemeth and was supposed to "promise" something to her.

Talking! Talking about the Blight! There's no indication anything sleazy occured.

Flemeth was in the form of an old lady at the time, and Loghain sure didn't see the hut a-rockin'.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 octobre 2010 - 07:19 .

[DarthCaine]

Face of Evil wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

In The Stolen Throne, Maric spent the night with Flemeth and was supposed to "promise" something to her.

Talking! There's no indication anything untoward occured.

Except Maric's horrified face when he came out of the cabin.

Like I said:

DarthCaine wrote...

Alistair and Morrigan are clearly references to Arthur and Morgan Le Fay

Arthur and Alistair are both Kings (or at least have royal blood, since whether Alistair is king is determinted by the player's choices). Morgan Le Fay and Morrigan are both dark haired sorceresses and from the events in The Stolen Throne Morrigan is probably Maric's daughter making her Alistair's half sister (just like how Morgan Le Fay is Arthur's half sister). If you do the dark ritual with Alistair, it strengthens the theory even more (then again, this is also determined by the player's choice), seeing as Morgan Le Fay had Arthur's child.

DarthCaine wrote...

I think Gaider intentionally left it open for speculation, same goes with Fiona and Alistair

Modifié par DarthCaine, 15 octobre 2010 - 07:19 .

[_- Songlian -]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

The book made this pretty clear since Flemeth got it on with Maric (making them half siblings) and that Allistair and Morrigan are around the same age.

Even if Flemeth and Maric did the deed, there's no indication that a child resulted. And even if a child resulted, there's no telling that was the child in question. It's not like Flemeth was a fan of monogamy, nor did she had a thing for raising only her biological children. 

I think you're drawing too many conclusions, too fast. Though, of course, nothing is impossible.

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DarthCaine wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

In The Stolen Throne, Maric spent the night with Flemeth and was supposed to "promise" something to her.

Talking! There's no indication anything untoward occured.

Except Maric's horrified face when he came out of the cabin.

I like the feeling of old time myth it would add to the series (King Arthur and Morgana are one of my favorites) but this is hardly convincing.

[DarthCaine]

- Songlian - wrote...

Even if Flemeth and Maric did the deed, there's no indication that a child resulted.

In The Calling, it is said Grey Wardens concieve children very rarely. How was it that Morrigan managed to concieve a child in one go? It's obvious Flemeth taught her a "trick"

And even if a child resulted, there's no telling that was the child in question.

Morrigan says she doesn't remember having any siblings

Modifié par DarthCaine, 15 octobre 2010 - 07:26 .

[DMC12]

DarthCaine wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

In The Stolen Throne, Maric spent the night with Flemeth and was supposed to "promise" something to her.

Talking! There's no indication anything untoward occured.

Except Maric's horrified face when he came out of the cabin.

Although I've never read the book, given Flemeth's "look", I'm reminded of this classic scene from cinema history.

[DarthCaine]

It's intentionally left unknown what happened that night with Flemeth. For all we know, they could have been playing poker all night, but the Arthur/Morgan Le Fey theory (combined with all the other stuff I said) fits best

[captain.subtle]

yeah! Gaider! (knocks the proverbial door)! Come out now!

[Fluffyfiend]

DarthCaine wrote...

Crippledcarny wrote...

It wouldn't matter who Alistair's mother was. If I'm not mistaken he talks about Cailan being older than him.

He could be one year older than Alistair for all you know, that's assuming Maric cheated on Rowan, which was never mentioned in the slightest, so the most likely theory is that Fiona is Alistair's mother. Either that, or Alistair was 18 or younger at the events of Origins.

Actually, read The Calling by David Gaider. His relationship happens after Rowan is dead and does result in a child.

[_- Songlian -]

DarthCaine wrote...

In The Calling, it is said Grey Wardens concieve children very rarely. How was it that Morrigan managed to concieve a child in one go? It's obvious Flemeth taught her a "trick"

How is this related to Flemeth having a baby with Maric? Maric was never a Grey Warden.

Morrigan says she doesn't remember having any siblings

...that she knows of. Or do you think Flemeth has always been 100% honest with Morrigan? 

I have my doubts. 

[Maconbar]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

I think you've made way too many assumptions with the original post.  I've read "The Stolen Throne" and it was not made clear that Maric and Flemeth did the nasty in the hut.  <_<

That's why it is just a theory but I think its a reasonable explanation as to why Maric spent all that time alone with Flemeth and would explain the promise. I don't think there have been any hints regarding the promise.

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DarthCaine wrote...

- Songlian - wrote...

Even if Flemeth and Maric did the deed, there's no indication that a child resulted.

In The Calling, it is said Grey Wardens concieve children very rarely. How was it that Morrigan managed to concieve a child in one go? It's obvious Flemeth taught her a "trick"

No one saying Flemeth couldn't possibly have had a child with Maric if she wanted one, just that they see no reason to believe Morri is their love child.

Morrigan says she doesn't remember having any siblings

Morrigan also doesn't know very much about her mother. Remember the stories Zevran tells about Flemeth he's heard i Antiva? Morrigan can't even confirm or deny them. Like she says, she doesn't know if she has any sisters but doesn't see it as impossible.

[DarthCaine]

Fluffyfiend wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Crippledcarny wrote...

It wouldn't matter who Alistair's mother was. If I'm not mistaken he talks about Cailan being older than him.

He could be one year older than Alistair for all you know, that's assuming Maric cheated on Rowan, which was never mentioned in the slightest, so the most likely theory is that Fiona is Alistair's mother. Either that, or Alistair was 18 or younger at the events of Origins.

Actually, read The Calling by David Gaider. His relationship happens after Rowan is dead and does result in a child.

Yes, I know I've read it, I was pointing out that it's never actually said whether Fiona is definitely Alistair's mother, there could be another heir to the throne for all we know, but Fiona being Alistair's mother fits best

[DarthCaine]

- Songlian - wrote...

How is this related to Flemeth having a baby with Maric? Maric was never a Grey Warden.

What I meant is, if Flemeth had sex with Maric it would have definitely 100% resulted in a child

Morrigan says she doesn't remember having any siblings

...that she knows of. Or do you think Flemeth has always been 100% honest with Morrigan?

Morrigan's not that young. When Maric met Flemeth it was 35 years before Origins. Morrigan is somewhere between 21 and 34 years old (Flemeth could have slowed her aging). If Flemeth and Maric had a different child that wasn't Morrigan, unless Flemeth sent it away or killed it, Morrigan would have definitely remembered him/her.

[Herr Uhl]

Calling it fact is pushing it.

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[quote]DarthCaine wrote...

[quote] - Songlian - wrote...

How is this related to Flemeth having a baby with Maric? Maric was never a Grey Warden.[/quote]
What I meant is, if Flemeth had sex with Maric it would have definitely 100% resulted in a child [/quote]

Only if she wanted one. [/quote]

[DarthCaine]

tool_bot wrote...

Only if she wanted one.

[Ortaya Alevli]

Chili is hot, Bethany is hot, therefore chili is Bethany.

There's your logic.

And hopefully there'll be no Bethany romance, so knock it off, please.

[Big_Chief]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Calling it fact is pushing it.

Yep. It is a possibility of what happened when Flemeth was alone with Maric, but it's hardly the only possible explanation, and it's never really hinted what went on. A horrified look could mean anything.

[Herr Uhl]

DarthCaine wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

Only if she wanted one.

What is your point?