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[Never]

I just really don't see Morrigan as 35ish. Where did the whole "slowing the aging process" idea some from? Is it in the lore somewhere?

[VampireCommando]

Mr Gaider has left himself a nice hole to escape this in the sense that Flemeth is probbaly not Morrigans birth mother, even Morrigan herself doubts Flemth is as such, there, easy answer for the OP's 'point'.

[AlexXIV]

Huh people seem to forget that for Morrigan and Alistair being siblings, Morrigan needs to be Maric's daughter. Whether Flemeth and Maric got intimate or not doesn't conclude that Morrigan is the result. We don't even know for sure that Morrigan is Flemeth' daughter.

[AlexXIV]

mynameisdanza wrote...

I just really don't see Morrigan as 35ish. Where did the whole "slowing the aging process" idea some from? Is it in the lore somewhere?

Naw Morrigan is 25ish.

[tool_bot]

mynameisdanza wrote...

I just really don't see Morrigan as 35ish. Where did the whole "slowing the aging process" idea some from? Is it in the lore somewhere?

Don't agree with the OP but a Morrigan in her late 20's doesn't seem to far fetched. Late 30's however is a different story. Looks aside (which don't mean much which shapeshifters I guess) there's her personality. Even if had spent all her life under her mother's thumb she'd still behave differently that late into adulthood.

[Inside_Joke]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

So...uhm...
No. They aren't.

Heh heh. 
What would be the point anyway? To gross us out? Ya, no ...

[Lord_Valandil]

AlexXIV wrote...

Huh people seem to forget that for Morrigan and Alistair being siblings, Morrigan needs to be Maric's daughter. Whether Flemeth and Maric got intimate or not doesn't conclude that Morrigan is the result. We don't even know for sure that Morrigan is Flemeth' daughter.

This.

[DarthCaine]

tmp7704 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Look it doesn't really matter, Flemeth occasionally had sex with Chasind people as Morrigan said

Yes and it didn't produce any offsprings apparently, or Morrigan would likely have noticed the effects after few months. Either Flemeth occasionally has sex with Chasind for reasons other than reproduction, or she cannot guarantee getting herself pregnant. Neither really makes the Maric theory any more likely.

Now you're just negating yourself. At first you say that she isn't likely to have sex which disproves my theory, now you say she probably had lots of sex which also disproves my theory.

Guess what, if people don't want to get pregnant, there's ways for that. But if she wanted a child she'll definitely get one as Morrigan's DR showed

[tool_bot]

DarthCaine wrote...

Now you're just negating yourself. At first you say that she isn't likely to have sex which disproves my theory, now you say she probably had lots of sex which also disproves my theory.

That's the flaw with your theory. Not only can't you verify Flemeth had sex with Maric but you also can't confirm that had she it wouldn't be some random guy from the woods. Morrigan even mentions how often her mother took in strange men, had her fun and then killed them.

Guess what, if people don't want to get pregnant, there's ways for that. But if she wanted a child she'll definitely get one as Morrigan's DR showed

Why would she? Or better yet, how can verify this child would even be Morrigan?

[DarthCaine]

tool_bot wrote...

Not only can't you verify Flemeth had sex with Maric but you also can't confirm that had she it wouldn't be some random guy from the woods.

But you also can't confirm she didn't have sex with Maric, can you?

If it wasn't for the other references to Arthur and Morgan Le Fay, then yes it would have been far fetched. However, as it is, it's the most likely outcome

Modifié par DarthCaine, 15 octobre 2010 - 08:42 .

[tmp7704]

DarthCaine wrote...

Now you're just negating yourself. At first you say that she isn't likely to have sex which disproves my theory, now you say she probably had lots of sex which also disproves my theory.

No, at first i said that if you thought Flemeth wasn't someone who would sex with Maric just because of his looks, then it made more likely the idea that she's done something other than sex. Simply because she wouldn't see it as something worth her time

Having sex for the sake of maybe having a child with him is a possibility, but it hinges on the idea that Flemeth actually can get pregnant from having sex with a human male. Which, if she isn't actually human, is somewhat dubious -- and the fact she would have sex with many human males without much effect can increase this doubt.

Modifié par tmp7704, 15 octobre 2010 - 08:46 .

[tool_bot]

DarthCaine wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

Not only can't you verify Flemeth had sex with Maric but you also can't confirm that had she it wouldn't be some random guy from the woods.

But you also can't confirm she didn't have sex with Maric, can you?

Irrelevent. There's no reason to believe she did therefore, no reason for me to say or do anything.

If it wasn't for the other references to Arthur and Morgan Le Fay, then yes it would have been far fetched. However, as it is, it's the most likely outcome

I get where you're coming from, that's one of the reasons I had Alistair knock up Morrigan first run through but no. It is not the most likely outcome. You can't take the outcome of a different fictional universe that somehwat resembles this one and decide that the same thing happened or will happen.

[DarthCaine]

mynameisdanza wrote...

Where did the whole "slowing the aging process" idea some from? Is it in the lore somewhere?

In The Stolen Throne, Flemeth was described exactly as she appears in the game which takes place 35 years after the book, she didn't age a bit

[AlexXIV]

DarthCaine wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

Where did the whole "slowing the aging process" idea some from? Is it in the lore somewhere?

In The Stolen Throne, Flemeth was described exactly as she appears in the game which takes place 35 years after the book, she didn't age a bit

I didn't read that, but shouldn't Maric be around 25-30 at max then and she seduced him looking like in DA:O?

[tool_bot]

AlexXIV wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

Where did the whole "slowing the aging process" idea some from? Is it in the lore somewhere?

In The Stolen Throne, Flemeth was described exactly as she appears in the game which takes place 35 years after the book, she didn't age a bit

I didn't read that, but shouldn't Maric be around 25-30 at max then and she seduced him looking like in DA:O?

Off topic but, I remember Morrigan describing a time when Femeth appeared much less decrepit and ancient. Maybe Flemeth simply dons whatever garb or appearance suits the situation best?

[tmp7704]

tool_bot wrote...

Off topic but, I remember Morrigan describing a time when Femeth appeared much less decrepit and ancient. Maybe Flemeth simply dons whatever garb or appearance suits the situation best?

I took it overall as support for Morrigan's theory that Flemeth keeps possessing her daughters to prolong her lifespan -- it could be what Morrigan remembered was Flemeth freshly after getting another body. On the other hand it could just as well be Morrigan making things up to make the player think this exact thing, and thus make them more willing to believe her and do her bidding.

[lv12medic]

Why would Gaider admit anything like this?  Haven't we all learned by now that he powers his evil brain on our anguish and despair and tears while he can safely hide in the ambiguous zone of being neither able to confirm nor deny anything and tell us to wait and see...



Plus, if Morrigan and Allistair are siblings it would look like a complete and more disgusting rip-off of Luke and Leia in Star Wars.

[Anexity]

lv12medic wrote...

Plus, if Morrigan and Allistair are
siblings it would look like a complete and more disgusting rip-off of
Luke and Leia in Star Wars.

Much worse consdering they actually have sex (if you choose that ending) AND have a kid. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie] I mean I know they didn't do the whole deamon child sex thing for love, but most people wouldn't sleep with a sibling if they had a gun pointed at them. Add to that the fact that it would mean Allister probably would be a mage of some sort (Flemths children were all suppose to be witches). So ya... Not likely to say the least.

Oh and Flemeth slept with a lot of people, so even if she did sleep with Meric, it wouldn't have to mean anything.

Modifié par Anexity, 15 octobre 2010 - 09:10 .

[syllogi]

lv12medic wrote...

Why would Gaider admit anything like this?  Haven't we all learned by now that he powers his evil brain on our anguish and despair and tears while he can safely hide in the ambiguous zone of being neither able to confirm nor deny anything and tell us to wait and see...



Plus, if Morrigan and Allistair are siblings it would look like a complete and more disgusting rip-off of Luke and Leia in Star Wars.

Actually, go further back, it's King Arthur and Morgause, if indeed their relationship would ever be confirmed.

[SafetyShattered]

Ok man......I am pretty sure that Morrigan and Allistair are NOT SIBLINGS!!!!!!!!

You know how you could get Allistair to do the dark ritual thing with Morrigan?

Do you know how much negative ticked off people form that? I mean knowing that you had something to do with getting a guy to have sex with his sister. Ya, that would be pretty gross.

[UberDuber]

AlexXIV wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

I just really don't see Morrigan as 35ish. Where did the whole "slowing the aging process" idea some from? Is it in the lore somewhere?

Naw Morrigan is 25ish.

Morrigan is in her late 20s I thought.  I wonder how this whole age thing will work. Does BioWare just keep adding on the years so that all their great characters are old and wrinkly? Well with Flemeth it's an never-ending story.

[lv12medic]

Anexity wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

Plus, if Morrigan and Allistair are
siblings it would look like a complete and more disgusting rip-off of
Luke and Leia in Star Wars.

Much worse consdering they actually have sex (if you choose that ending) AND have a kid [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

Incest doesn't fit into DA, not to mention the bad press they'd get for
it. Add to that the fact that it would mean Allister wasn't the heir to
the thrown at all, and probably would be a mage of some sort (Flemths children were all suppose to be witches). So ya...
Not likely to say the least.

indeed...

Though, they're potentially siblings by father (king Maric) not, mother (Flemmeth for Morrigan, maybe.  Elf girl in the Calling maybe for Allistair, Redcliffe servant maybe for Allistair).

All a big ambiguous nightmare...

TeenZombie wrote...

Actually, go further back, it's King Arthur and Morgause, if indeed their relationship would ever be confirmed.

That is a more accurate rip-off.  Half-siblings.  I am corrected. 

Modifié par lv12medic, 15 octobre 2010 - 09:11 .

[SDNcN]

DarthCaine wrote...

If it wasn't for the other references to Arthur and Morgan Le Fay, then yes it would have been far fetched. However, as it is, it's the most likely outcome

David Gaider has said Morrigan's name came from someone he knew rather than as a reference to someone like Morgan Le Fay or the Celtic Goddess Morrigan. Any Arthur/Morgan "references" you believe you are seeing could be purely coincidental, just like her name. So no, it isn't the most likely outcome.

[Lord_Valandil]

It wouldn't make any sense, as Alistair can do the Dark Ritual.

And it would be kind of hypocrital to say that those people who want a "Bethany romance" are sick, and then there are some who want Alistair and Morrigan to be siblings.

Give me a break.

[UberDuber]

Anexity wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

Plus, if Morrigan and Allistair are
siblings it would look like a complete and more disgusting rip-off of
Luke and Leia in Star Wars.

Much worse consdering they actually have sex (if you choose that ending) AND have a kid. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png I mean I know they didn't do the whole deamon child sex thing for love, but most people wouldn't sleep with a sibling if they had a gun pointed at them. Incest doesn't fit into DA, not to mention the bad press they'd get for it. Add to that the fact that it would mean Allister wasn't the heir to the thrown at all, and probably would be a mage of some sort (Flemths children were all suppose to be witches). So ya... Not likely to say the least.

1. Morrigan and Alistair wouldn't even know they were related. Until it is too late.
2. Alistair's mother is an elf mage, and his father is Maric. Morrigan's mother would be Flemeth (maybe) and her father would be Maric (maybe.) So they would only be step, brother and sister.