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[AngryFrozenWater]

According to the last podcast (number 4) Mr Gaider does not believe that his books should impact the story of the game. The majority of gamers wouldn't have read his work and it would confuse them. Any reference in the game to his books would be a kind of a wink to the reader, but should not distract the player who didn't read them. So I doubt that this Morrigan/Alistair thing ever pops up in the game.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 16 octobre 2010 - 11:12 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

According to the last podcast (number 4) Mr Gaider does not believe that his books should impact the story of the game. The majority of gamers wouldn't have read his work and it would confuse them. Any reference in the game to his books would be a kind of a wink to the reader, but should not distract the player who didn't read them. So I doubt that this Morrigan/Alistair thing ever pops up in the game.

I guess having the Artitect and the dwarf Warden from the second novel that sided with him/it wasn't lifted right from the novel then. Oh wait it was! I can kinda see where he's coming from but on the same token why bother setting up all this universe lore if you're just going to disregard it moving forward?

[Leonia]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

According to the last podcast (number 4) Mr Gaider does not believe that his books should impact the story of the game. The majority of gamers wouldn't have read his work and it would confuse them. Any reference in the game to his books would be a kind of a wink to the reader, but should not distract the player who didn't read them. So I doubt that this Morrigan/Alistair thing ever pops up in the game.

I guess having the Artitect and the dwarf Warden from the second novel that sided with him/it wasn't lifted right from the novel then. Oh wait it was! I can kinda see where he's coming from but on the same token why bother setting up all this universe lore if you're just going to disregard it moving forward?

To be fair, the Architect and Utha looked nothing like their book counterparts and one could argue they didn't really act the same either, plus they could both be killed off. Not really arguing with you, just pointing it out.

I'm sure a few things from the novel will matter but we don't even know for sure that the book proves Morrigan is related to Alistair. The novels were prequels that set things up, there's a 20 year or so gap between The Calling and Origins though so there's wiggle room there for another novel or for references to things that may have happened between the books and the game.

I was kind of bummed that the Architect didn't seem all that important in the game when he plays such a critical role in The Calling.

[21121313]

bobobo878 wrote...

A mentally handicapped child with the power of an Old God, that's a scary thought.

I still think this describes Sandal to a tee, although i admit i haven't kept up on if his background has been laid out better than it was in Origins somewhere. I think it'd be cool of he was the maker in dwarf form.

As for Alistair and Morrigan, all that bickering between each other actually reminded me of a brotherly/sisterly way of communicating, but I'm sure we will find out eventually one way or the other. It's not like my female warden knew any of this anyways to actually feel bad about it.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

leonia42 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

According to the last podcast (number 4) Mr Gaider does not believe that his books should impact the story of the game. The majority of gamers wouldn't have read his work and it would confuse them. Any reference in the game to his books would be a kind of a wink to the reader, but should not distract the player who didn't read them. So I doubt that this Morrigan/Alistair thing ever pops up in the game.

I guess having the Artitect and the dwarf Warden from the second novel that sided with him/it wasn't lifted right from the novel then. Oh wait it was! I can kinda see where he's coming from but on the same token why bother setting up all this universe lore if you're just going to disregard it moving forward?

To be fair, the Architect and Utha looked nothing like their book counterparts and one could argue they didn't really act the same either, plus they could both be killed off. Not really arguing with you, just pointing it out.

I'm sure a few things from the novel will matter but we don't even know for sure that the book proves Morrigan is related to Alistair. The novels were prequels that set things up, there's a 20 year or so gap between The Calling and Origins though so there's wiggle room there for another novel or for references to things that may have happened between the books and the game.

I was kind of bummed that the Architect didn't seem all that important in the game when he plays such a critical role in The Calling.

I was fairly bummed about that too considering his role in the calling. It just seems a little odd to competely want to ignore 2 full novels of lore is all. Not that it really matters all that much considering the time gap we're talking about. Considering DA2 is 10? years of Hawke's life it'll be interesting to see how well that flows considering the game is supposidly shorter than Origins, and if any of the choices that do import from a Origins/Awakening playthru actually do affect the course of the game or if they're more passing mentions of things much like ME2.

[Maconbar]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

According to the last podcast (number 4) Mr Gaider does not believe that his books should impact the story of the game. The majority of gamers wouldn't have read his work and it would confuse them. Any reference in the game to his books would be a kind of a wink to the reader, but should not distract the player who didn't read them. So I doubt that this Morrigan/Alistair thing ever pops up in the game.

I guess having the Artitect and the dwarf Warden from the second novel that sided with him/it wasn't lifted right from the novel then. Oh wait it was! I can kinda see where he's coming from but on the same token why bother setting up all this universe lore if you're just going to disregard it moving forward?

To be fair, the Architect and Utha looked nothing like their book counterparts and one could argue they didn't really act the same either, plus they could both be killed off. Not really arguing with you, just pointing it out.

I'm sure a few things from the novel will matter but we don't even know for sure that the book proves Morrigan is related to Alistair. The novels were prequels that set things up, there's a 20 year or so gap between The Calling and Origins though so there's wiggle room there for another novel or for references to things that may have happened between the books and the game.

I was kind of bummed that the Architect didn't seem all that important in the game when he plays such a critical role in The Calling.

I was fairly bummed about that too considering his role in the calling. It just seems a little odd to competely want to ignore 2 full novels of lore is all. Not that it really matters all that much considering the time gap we're talking about. Considering DA2 is 10? years of Hawke's life it'll be interesting to see how well that flows considering the game is supposidly shorter than Origins, and if any of the choices that do import from a Origins/Awakening playthru actually do affect the course of the game or if they're more passing mentions of things much like ME2.

I fully agree with this part. I am upbeat about DA:2 but I will be very disappointed if I find that our choices don't matter.

[Leonia]

Oh our choices better matter or I'm going to get cranky after having played out 7 completely unique playthroughs just to get the different combinations of decisions ready to import into DA 2. Or maybe I should just get a life and stop playing Dragon Age all the time.

[AllThatJazz]

leonia42 wrote...

Oh our choices better matter or I'm going to get cranky after having played out 7 completely unique playthroughs just to get the different combinations of decisions ready to import into DA 2. Or maybe I should just get a life and stop playing Dragon Age all the time.

Don't do that, you'll make the rest of us feel bad!

And I was a bit miffed about the Architect too (and Utha). Really good characters in the book, then kind of sidelined in Awakening. A shame.

[Ayanko]

vilnii wrote...

The OP addressed his question to developers who are deliberately ignoring this thread

9 full pages in and still no comment to address his question...

If it was a no, then we would get a straight up answer...so i'm assuming its a yes. For in which case. Ewwww Alistair my warden gone knocked up your sister.

[AllThatJazz]

Ayanko wrote...

vilnii wrote...

The OP addressed his question to developers who are deliberately ignoring this thread

9 full pages in and still no comment to address his question...

If it was a no, then we would get a straight up answer...so i'm assuming its a yes. For in which case. Ewwww Alistair my warden gone knocked up your sister.

Which would be in no way as bad as 'Ewwwwwww Alistair you knocked up your (half) sister'. 

[FieryDove]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

vilnii wrote...

The OP addressed his question to developers who are deliberately ignoring this thread

9 full pages in and still no comment to address his question...

If it was a no, then we would get a straight up answer...so i'm assuming its a yes. For in which case. Ewwww Alistair my warden gone knocked up your sister.

Which would be in no way as bad as 'Ewwwwwww Alistair you knocked up your (half) sister'. 

Oh no....now I'll never be able to let Ali do the DR ever again. though I admit most of my gals didn't and waved farewell to him stuck at the gates. The thought is just...I wonder, does Morrigan know?

[UberDuber]

FieryDove wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

vilnii wrote...

The OP addressed his question to developers who are deliberately ignoring this thread

9 full pages in and still no comment to address his question...

If it was a no, then we would get a straight up answer...so i'm assuming its a yes. For in which case. Ewwww Alistair my warden gone knocked up your sister.

Which would be in no way as bad as 'Ewwwwwww Alistair you knocked up your (half) sister'. 

Oh no....now I'll never be able to let Ali do the DR ever again. though I admit most of my gals didn't and waved farewell to him stuck at the gates. The thought is just...I wonder, does Morrigan know?

Maybe that's why Morrigan hates Alistair so much.
tbh I don't even think Morrigan knows. Didn't she say that Flemeth never talked about her birth? When Morrigan asked Flemeth about her father/birth didn't Morrigan say to the warden that... "She merely laughed at me."

Then again Morrigan could be telling more porkys, like she did with the whole "Flemeth steals her daughters bodies," thing

Modifié par UberDuber, 16 octobre 2010 - 03:10 .

[AllThatJazz]

FieryDove wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

Ayanko wrote...

vilnii wrote...

The OP addressed his question to developers who are deliberately ignoring this thread

9 full pages in and still no comment to address his question...

If it was a no, then we would get a straight up answer...so i'm assuming its a yes. For in which case. Ewwww Alistair my warden gone knocked up your sister.

Which would be in no way as bad as 'Ewwwwwww Alistair you knocked up your (half) sister'. 

Oh no....now I'll never be able to let Ali do the DR ever again. though I admit most of my gals didn't and waved farewell to him stuck at the gates. The thought is just...I wonder, does Morrigan know?

Oh, I hope not. Adds a new, even more disturbing dimension to Morrigan's character if she does 

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

AllThatJazz wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Oh our choices better matter or I'm going to get cranky after having played out 7 completely unique playthroughs just to get the different combinations of decisions ready to import into DA 2. Or maybe I should just get a life and stop playing Dragon Age all the time.

Don't do that, you'll make the rest of us feel bad!

And I was a bit miffed about the Architect too (and Utha). Really good characters in the book, then kind of sidelined in Awakening. A shame.

Sadly I think it just further suggest just how rushed and badly paced/fleshed out Awakening actually was. I just hope this isn't going to be a trend moving forward when you take some of the DLC into mind and that DA2 isn't exactly that long of a development cycle either compared to a typical Bioware title.

[Leonia]

Yeah, Awakening was a bit of a let down. Maybe it would have been enjoyable if they had stuck to the original companions but I suppose getting voice-actors back so soon would have been difficult. It just feels really detached from Origins.

I did enjoy the new companions in Awakening and the idea of two warring groups of darkspawn but so much more could have been done with those elements. Perhaps when the toolset is updated we'll start to see "Awakening Extended" mods.

It wasn't necessarily bad but it could have been better. Let's hope any expansions for DA 2 are more fleshed out.

Modifié par leonia42, 16 octobre 2010 - 04:20 .

[errant_knight]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

The book made this pretty clear since Flemeth got it on with Maric (making them half siblings) and that Allistair and Morrigan are around the same age. Where is Gaider going with this? And are we going to get Allistair's reaction for players who had him do the Dark ritual.

*spits morning coffee across keyboard* What?! Dude, no they aren't. They really aren't. Bioware isn't going to make incest a cornerstone of their game.  Flemeth had sex with a fair number of people, that's hardly proof of anything. Doesn't mean that I don't think there might very well be other Theirins out there, but Morrigan is absolutely not going to turn out to be one.

[Wulfram]

errant_knight wrote...

*spits morning coffee across keyboard* What?! Dude, no they aren't. They really aren't. Bioware isn't going to make incest a cornerstone of their game.  Flemeth had sex with a fair number of people, that's hardly proof of anything. Doesn't mean that I don't think there might very well be other Theirins out there, but Morrigan is absolutely not going to turn out to be one.

Would have been fun trying to convince Eamon and the landsmeet to accept her as Queen though, if she was.

[jones0901]

can someone remind me when this happens in the books? ive read them but cannot remember

[errant_knight]

Wulfram wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

*spits morning coffee across keyboard* What?! Dude, no they aren't. They really aren't. Bioware isn't going to make incest a cornerstone of their game.  Flemeth had sex with a fair number of people, that's hardly proof of anything. Doesn't mean that I don't think there might very well be other Theirins out there, but Morrigan is absolutely not going to turn out to be one.

Would have been fun trying to convince Eamon and the landsmeet to accept her as Queen though, if she was.

Heh, that would have worked about as well as trying to have Dog battle Loghain, even if she hadn't been a mage and therefore barred from rule. But yeah, Morrigan as queen of Ferelden is a fairly terrifying notion.

[Astfgl]

jones0901 wrote...

can someone remind me when this happens in the books? ive read them but cannot remember

As I remember Flemeth showed up there as a very old woman, and she had a long private talk with Maric in the hut, while Loghain waited outside. That's all there was in the book.

Honestly, I just can't imagine how an old crone turns into a lovely young woman to rape a would-be-king, snd then she makes him to forget couple hours of the evening but to remember all the rest of it.
Besides in this case Morrigan should be about 34-35. Doesn't look and sound anything like that. Or she's just some kind of imbecile?

Modifié par Astfgl, 16 octobre 2010 - 06:24 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Dear lord, it's this theory again.

[OldMan91]

KhorinShizucor wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

I seem to remember their deal having something to do with what he had to do in the future... not at that exact moment... but I may be remembering that wrong...

Anyways, I always figured Morrigan was of a comparable age to Alistair and the Warden, each being young adults. If Morrigan was conceived in this instance then she would be at least thirty. I suppose it is possible that she is but she didn't strike me as such.

Perhaps she had him promise to bring back the Grey Wardens to Fereldan, and then spoke how a Blight would happen and how he would not live to see it.

That would explain why Maric was so eager to help the Grey Wardens in The Calling.

Now that is an excellent theory, if i've ever heard one. It definitely makes sense, and, as you've mentioned, it explains why Maric was so eager to help the Grey Wardens in The Calling. Flemeth probably spoke with Maric about the future blight and the need for Grey Wardens to fight it.

[Leonia]

OldMan91 wrote...

KhorinShizucor wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

I seem to remember their deal having something to do with what he had to do in the future... not at that exact moment... but I may be remembering that wrong...

Anyways, I always figured Morrigan was of a comparable age to Alistair and the Warden, each being young adults. If Morrigan was conceived in this instance then she would be at least thirty. I suppose it is possible that she is but she didn't strike me as such.

Perhaps she had him promise to bring back the Grey Wardens to Fereldan, and then spoke how a Blight would happen and how he would not live to see it.

That would explain why Maric was so eager to help the Grey Wardens in The Calling.

Now that is an excellent theory, if i've ever heard one. It definitely makes sense, and, as you've mentioned, it explains why Maric was so eager to help the Grey Wardens in The Calling. Flemeth probably spoke with Maric about the future blight and the need for Grey Wardens to fight it.

If that were the case, then he could have told the Grey Wardens as much. Whatever the promise was, he was forbidden to speak of it to anyone (which is why none of us know exactly what it is). He did tell the Grey Wardens about the warning regarding a Blight and he was going to say more but stopped himself (if memory serves). Whether that means it related to the "Blight prediction" or not is hard to gather but I got the impression there was something he was withholding from the Wardens (and Loghain when Loghain asks about it in Stolen Throne). Whatever it was, it was one heck of a secret.

For anyone interested on the "The Promise" dialgoue, it's around page 80 or so in Stolen Throne. I keep re-reading those pages trying to discern more from it but haven't had much luck lately. I am wanting to rule out the Morrigan theory, though.

Modifié par leonia42, 17 octobre 2010 - 04:01 .

[Astfgl]

leonia42 wrote...
If that were the case, then he could have told the Grey Wardens as much. Whatever the promise was, he was forbidden to speak of it to anyone (which is why none of us know exactly what it is).

I wonder if Mr Gaider himself knows that. They could simply say nothing to him also