Then clearly, no one in the Mass Effect universe is sane. Just like in real life!
And what work has Udina gotten done? All we've seen him actually accomplish is ground Shepard, and that didn't exactly last.
Who do you think is the logical choice for the human council member and why?
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And what work has Udina gotten done? All we've seen him actually accomplish is ground Shepard, and that didn't exactly last.
He's reigning in the Spectres and he's taking actions against the batarian orbital mirror weapon system.
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You gambleld with the trillions upon trillions upon trillions of lives when you saved the Council. Sane people are horrified by the risk you took and you should be ashamed.
In any case, Anderson is corrupt and ineffective. Udina manages to get actual work done.
What does that decision have to do with this decision?
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Shandepared wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
And what work has Udina gotten done? All we've seen him actually accomplish is ground Shepard, and that didn't exactly last.
He's reigning in the Spectres and he's taking actions against the batarian orbital mirror weapon system.
And isn't this metagaming?
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Reining. Reining. No one ever gets that right.
I can't attest to anything from BttS, but nothing he's done in regards to the Spectres has been positive, as far as I can see. He's as obstructive and obnoxious as the turian Councilor, but with less power (for now).
I can't attest to anything from BttS, but nothing he's done in regards to the Spectres has been positive, as far as I can see. He's as obstructive and obnoxious as the turian Councilor, but with less power (for now).
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And isn't this metagaming?
No? She asked what work he's been doing.
If you want to know my reasons for selecting him back during ME1 read my first post.
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Reining. Reining. No one ever gets that right.
My thanks.
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Posté 15 octobre 2010 - 10:56
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I more asked what he was doing in ME1, as saying what happens in ME2 is rather moot.
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Andersons too nice to be a politician, sure he's not a dick like udina but that just means you get trampled on at best or run over at worst. Retribution just reinforces what anderson himself says, he's not fit for the job. At all.
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Shandepared wrote...
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And isn't this metagaming?
No? She asked what work he's been doing.
Yes but the usage of the phrase "all we've actually seen Udina do is ground Shepard" made me think we were talking in terms of what we knew as of the moment we made the decision back in ME1.
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Yes but the usage of the phrase "all we've actually seen Udina do is ground Shepard" made me think we were talking in terms of what we knew as of the moment we made the decision back in ME1.
Well I can go further. All Anderson did in ME1 was pat you in the back until the very end when he helped you disobey orders. The entire time you were out there tracking down Saren you were taking heat from the Council and other politicians. It was Udina who kept you in their good graces no matter how destructive or reckless you were. Every decision you made he defended and justified to your political enemies.
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Wait, what? I talked with the Council in person, and only the turian was opposed to me (which I really couldn't take personally). The asari and the salarian were both pretty much fine with whatever I did, and Udina was as critical as the turian. I didn't need protection.
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Wat?Casuist wrote...
...not the one who nearly doomed organic life while making a political power play.
...not Udina. Grounding the Normandy to curry favor with the Council is a disqualifying decision.
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Oh, right. I thought you were attacking Anderson, hence my confusion.
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Wait, what? I talked with the Council in person, and only the turian was opposed to me...
Oh is that you what you think? I suggest you go back and talk to Udina after every plot mission. Especially after Virmire (don't do Virmire last).
The other Councilors want you to think they're on your side, but they aren't. They never were.
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Well I can go further. All Anderson did in ME1 was pat you in the back until the very end when he helped you disobey orders. The entire time you were out there tracking down Saren you were taking heat from the Council and other politicians. It was Udina who kept you in their good graces no matter how destructive or reckless you were. Every decision you made he defended and justified to your political enemies.
Wow. Let's give him a medal for doing the job he's paid for.
And another for nearly dooming all sentient life to destruction. Let's just shower him in medals.
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Anderson. Udina's... no. Just no.
Yes...this!
Udina was a terrible ambassador...and he didn't get along with the council in ME1 (I saved the DA)
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I did talk to Udina after every mission. He ****ed at me about the Therum ruins and the rachni queen.
In any case, even if that's the case, he betrayed me later.
In any case, even if that's the case, he betrayed me later.
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Wow. Let's give him a medal for doing the job he's paid for.
And another for nearly dooming all sentient life to destruction. Let's just shower him in medals.
Well what more do you want? You hate him because he didn't believe you? You had no proof. You were poised to get yourself kicked out of the Spectres which would have humiliated humanity and damaged it politically. Udina's job is to keep humanity in good standing and by siding with the Council over you he did just that.
He was wrong about the Reapers, so was the Council, but for the right reasons. That Anderson has so much faith in you makes him likable and sympathetic but it does not make him intelligent. It is a mark against him.
Udina doesn't form a personal connection with Shepard because that would be a violation of his duty, the same reason he doesn't use his power to do favors for you. Unlike Anderson, who is a corrupt politician despite his good intentions.
If you think Udina "betrayed" you then you need to try and look passed your own massive ego. He does not and never has owed you a single thing. His responsibility is to humanity as a whole, not to Commander Shepard.
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And my own responsibility is to the galaxy as a whole. I don't hate Udina, but I don't owe him anything and I certainly have no intention to give him any more power than he already has.
And just where is Anderson "corrupt?"
And just where is Anderson "corrupt?"
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Barquiel wrote...
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Anderson. Udina's... no. Just no.
Yes...this!
Udina was a terrible ambassador...and he didn't get along with the council in ME1 (I saved the DA)
An ambassador's job isn't strictly being nice to others. That's a plus but not a requirement, The prime mission of an ambassador is protecting the interests of your people to foreigners. In that regard, Udina does an exemplary job.
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Shand, if Udina has been less of a douche, and made the exact same decisions, I swear to you my feelings would be totally changed. I'd actually think he was making the wrong decisions for the right reasons.
Instead, he acts like such an ass that he convinces you he's just grounding the Normandy to please the Council, which is a move of utter self-interest. This is a betrayal of the human race as well as every other species hurt by the decision. Which is all of them.
Instead, he acts like such an ass that he convinces you he's just grounding the Normandy to please the Council, which is a move of utter self-interest. This is a betrayal of the human race as well as every other species hurt by the decision. Which is all of them.
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And just where is Anderson "corrupt?"
He uses his influence to do favors for you, like keeping the Council and Alliance off your back when they have every good reason to want to arrest and interrogate you.
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Shand, if Udina has been less of a douche, and made the exact same decisions, I swear to you my feelings would be totally changed.
Why you think this statement is supposed to make me think more of you and not less is beyond me.
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Said favors are very helpful to the survival of the galaxy as a whole. I'm all for the existence of rules, but I have no qualms about breaking them when necessary.
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Aaaaaah Shandepard.
Anderson is corrupt! He wouldnt arrest me!
Anderson is corrupt! He wouldnt arrest me!
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Said favors are very helpful to the survival of the galaxy as a whole. I'm all for the existence of rules, but I have no qualms about breaking them when necessary.
So a corrupt politician is alright with you, as long as you gain from it. kewl
I swear 90 % of people who chose anderson do so because they have a personal grudge with udina as a person. Claiming I'm doing it for the galaxy and then choosing anderson is hypocritical at best.
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